.tv Has the .tv market peaked?

[snoop]

I think we are seeing numerous signs to suggest the .tv may have peaked. From what I can see of it, it is fairly common for relaunched/new tlds prices peak to at the time of the major auction, when speculator interest is at its highest, and you have a whole lot of people in the market who wouldn’t normally dabble in it. I’m not sure .tv will be an exception to this rule.

The only thing to change is there is now a large number of names in the market with genuine, real value, much like other extensions. In other words it is now on a level playfield in that respect but it is still only that, "level", not tilted upwards. The exuberance has carried over into a lot of unrealistic viewpoints recently in my view,

eg

-People claim this market is just starting to warm up and will be much stronger in a year. (we’ve heard that before)
-The idea that many of these premiums will be developed (of course that will never happen and is setting the scene for later disappointment).
-People talking about “trying to keep the momentum going” and trying to organize group auctions (as though this is an engine that constantly needs top ups of fuel to prevent breakdown).
-People talking about future .tv millionaires.
-World economies seeing another shock spreading out from Europe.


If you look back a month ago that really was a market with a lot of positive elements rolled into, many factors combining that may never be repeated.

So I put this question out there, do you think the .tv market has peaked?

 

[Animator]

Who cares about techincal meanings of extensions. What people think something means is what counts and in practice .co means nearly nothing aside from being a typo of .com and being known by colombians.

Im sorry when people see .CO they don't see the word "colombia", they see it as commercial and company...

Do you think .co.uk .co.jp .co.cn .co.ru mean colombia is part of united kindom, columbia is part of japan, columbia is part of china, columbia is part of russia... ect

I mean WTF ?

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You guys need to face the fact that .COM is full and all the single dictionary words are taken.

.COM is FULL and the future on it is done.

There would be a day then .com will stop going up.

There would be people switching from ugly domain .COM to beautiful .CO

 

[Kate]

You seem to have a fixation with .co, but this thread is about .tv.

 

[Keith]

I have to say , no, the .tv market has not peaked. I think the future could see much more public awareness for this extension. For example, this week Russell Brand was promoting russellbrand.tv on Howard Stern. I see .tv being used more and more on television as well. Television is a powerful tool and it's my belief that we will see more and more usage of .tv as it relates to "television".

There are however a couple things that bother me. One being the amount of premium LLL and strong keywords which are sitting unregistered. There seems to be no major rush to obtain them although I've noticed a few being taken here and there. The other disturbing issue for me are all the folks who register a domain and then immediately want an appraisal. That seems like someone looking for a quick flip which in most instances will not work out.

I own hmm, maybe 8 .tv and managed to sell one for a profit recently. The rest will not be sold because they were regged for future development. I wish everyone best wishes with your .tv but urge you not to get carried away and over extend yourself!

 

[gr8trfoo]

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[snoop]

your argument is nothing but hot air. explain how it is flawed.

domainer market valuations have practically nothing to do with how brands and domains are received by users. to me cartoons.tv says "hey, watch cartoons online" and i think the same is true for virtually any avg netizen. does cartoons.com say the same thing? more or less it does, but the .tv has an added benefit of being novel. people have heard .com this and that for 10 years now and when something new comes along,something that makes sense, it seems fresh.

if i were a media company planning to roll out a new video network it might well make reasoned sense to go with a .tv, and not the least factor might be the fact you illustrated -that the .tv might cost 1/100th of what the .com might.

going with .tv is an action i've witnessed a large number of production companies already take. take a look at any major tv industry trade site and its clear that .tv is gaining traction. niche? well i suppose anytime you slice off a peice of the whole economy you might call it a niche but there arnt too many industries larger than tv and filmed entertainment. and there arnt too many people who dont watch at least some of it.

If something is worth 1% of the price of something else it is very hard to see how that item would be "better". What it is is "cheaper". There is a reason why those .tv's are worth 1% of the value, and no it isn't because "the market hasn't woken up".

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Im sorry when people see .CO they don't see the word "colombia", they see it as commercial and company...

Do you think .co.uk .co.jp .co.cn .co.ru mean colombia is part of united kindom, columbia is part of japan, columbia is part of china, columbia is part of russia... ect

I mean WTF ?

.co.uk, .co.jp, .com.cn (it isn't co.cn, nor is there a .co.ru) these are major country codes. That doesn't mean .co is a good extension, just because two of the letters are the same.

The .co part is not the same, .co.uk - main extension for the UK, .co - main extension for Colombia and a typo of .com. It isn't like .tv where the the extension is known as being related to television as opposed to being seen a country code/typo.

You guys need to face the fact that .COM is full and all the single dictionary words are taken.

.COM is FULL and the future on it is done.

There would be a day then .com will stop going up.

There would be people switching from ugly domain .COM to beautiful .CO

As I said before I think you have some very unrealistic views and I think only the passge of time will cure that.

 

[Keith]

.co = bust. At least .tv has a slight chance to be widely recognized. Almost all investments in .co will result in a loss!

 

[snoop]

.co = bust. At least .tv has a slight chance to be widely recognized. Almost all investments in .co will result in a loss!

I think the only people who do well in it would be those who correctly recognise it as mainly being about typos and can accurately predict likely traffic and revenue. For the people who just think it is "brandable" or "cool" they are fodder for the registrars.

 

[MicroGuy]

According to my data, .TV is closing in on .NET and .ORG and will be number 2 behind .COM within 12 to 18 months. IMHO

 

[RPK]

According to my data, .TV is closing in on .NET and .ORG and will be number 2 behind .COM within 12 to 18 months. IMHO

I personally don't think it will surpass .net or .org in the near future since they have a much longer head start, but I can tell you that most of my names I would rather have as a .tv more than .net or .org. Maybe I would rather have philanthropy.org more than the .tv, but I personally don't like .net since it is always second to .com and I would never suggest building out a .net site since it will always give traffic to the .com.

.tv on the other hand screams for development and won't get mixed up with any other extension :imho:

 

[gr8trfoo]

I would never suggest building out a .net site since it will always give traffic to the .com.

and if you build on a .com and dont pick up every possible typo and mispelling you'll be giving traffic away there too. i wouldnt worry traffic bleed, its small potatoes. enough sometimes to make a domainer happy but thats about it. and most of the bleed will find its way even if they get distracted for a few minutes.

 

[Kate]

The .com version make it looks like the domain have a tumor on it.

Perhaps you have a tumor :hehe:
Domain hacks have never been popular.
Again, there are reasons.

 

[snoop]

and if you build on a .com and dont pick up every possible typo and mispelling you'll be giving traffic away there too. i wouldnt worry traffic bleed, its small potatoes. enough sometimes to make a domainer happy but thats about it. and most of the bleed will find its way even if they get distracted for a few minutes.

I think it is a fairly big issue with alt extensions. You've got genuine confusion rather than just spelling mistakes, eg .tv versus tv.com, .com. If there is an obviuous element of losing sales to somewhere else it is probably best to try and avoid that. I think with .tv for example it would be wise to at least have the tv.com.

 

[Premium.TV]

Extensions like .COM, .NET, .ORG and .DE are a waste of money and a thing of the past.

Now is the best time to buy and secure those .TV names that interest you the most. Your investment will give you an exceptional return down the road. Where else are you putting your money? In a CD at 2.5% or savings account at 1.25%?

.TV is the place to put your dollars. Lets see those bids people, don't be afraid.

 

[snoop]

Extensions like .COM, .NET, .ORG and .DE are a waste of money and a thing of the past.

Now is the best time to buy and secure those .TV names that interest you the most. Your investment will give you an exceptional return down the road. Where else are you putting your money? In a CD at 2.5% or savings account at 1.25%?

.TV is the place to put your dollars. Lets see those bids people, don't be afraid.

An investment in a CD or savings account is a totally different investment in terms of risk. I very much doubt people are saying , "Now should I buy some .tv domains [ultra high risk] or invest the money at 2% [ultra low risk]" so you are probably preaching to an audience that does not exist.

 

[bmugford]

There are 85M .COM / 13M .NET / 8M .ORG / 13M .DE

They all have established markets, both reseller and end user.

There is a fine line between being pro .TV and just delusional.

Brad

Extensions like .COM, .NET, .ORG and .DE are a waste of money and a thing of the past.

Now is the best time to buy and secure those .TV names that interest you the most. Your investment will give you an exceptional return down the road. Where else are you putting your money? In a CD at 2.5% or savings account at 1.25%?

.TV is the place to put your dollars. Lets see those bids people, don't be afraid.

 

[StargateCapital]

data missing...

How many .tv's are registered?

RL

There are 85M .COM / 13M .NET / 8M .ORG / 13M .DE

They all have established markets, both reseller and end user.

There is a fine line between being pro .TV and just delusional.

Brad

 

[snoop]

How many .tv's are registered?

RL

Verisign has never been willing to release the data.

 

[bmugford]

I have no idea. I don't know where to find that info.

Those numbers are in response to the ridiculous comment calling the most popular extensions on the planet a "thing of the past".

Brad

How many .tv's are registered?

RL

 

[StargateCapital]

I think that comment was just meant to be silly, not serious, imho.

Would be really cool if someone could post numbers on total .tv registrations

RL

 

[snoop]

Would be really cool if someone could post numbers on total .tv registrations

It simply isn't known, Verisign will not disclose this data.