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This is carried over from another thread...
Have at it boys and girls.
Cy
Have at it boys and girls.
Cy
Badger said:Ironically, someone told me that domainers who are also adwords customers generally opt out of showing their ads across googles partner network. Maybe that tells us something about the reality of what we truthfully know...
Badger said:Well, adzaz is just a regular old MFA whypark site with fully syndicated content. Your content is duplicated all over the net. see copyscape.com. This sort of site will not exist within the SE's or with adsense/YPN ads on them in 12-18 months time because it contributes no additional value to what is out there already.
If you were an advertiser, would you be happy with receiving $2 referrals from adzaz.com?
Ironically, someone told me that domainers who are also adwords customers generally opt out of showing their ads across googles partner network. Maybe that tells us something about the reality of what we truthfully know...
blaknite said:For the most part, I would set firmly in this camp. Its not that I personally have knowledge that bad traffic is coming from parking. I just know how many scammers there are on the internet. The odds are astronomically for it.
The only thing that would change my mind on this view is bieng able to select specific parked sites that will show my ads. For example if I had a jewelry store I could put in a keyword like jewelry and find matching parked sites that suggest that keyword. Then I could select from those sites which ones I will allow to run my ads. I suspect as the system evolves twards this domainers will also gain more power. From the domainers angle, if I owned goldrings dot com I would be able to specify that advertisers can't run ads on my site unless they're willing to pay me a minimum epc, and their ads have to actually say gold rings in the header.
I see this as the likely evolution of domain parking. A parking company will end up doing alot more work to earn their keep. They'll have to match up advertisers and domainers on equal ground. Those whos domains convert to sales will get paid much better, and those whos domains don't won't get paid at all.
My domain investing strategy hinges on this concept. I don't see any point in buying or registering domains that don't already have built in value. (pure typeins) My budget is much better spent on names that are far more expensive but have an intrinsic value to them. As parking evolves only those with truly premium names will be able to continue making money with it. Those who don't will find other venues to monetize their domains outside of parking.
~ Cyberian ~ said:Again, I must ask we keep on topic, "Define Legit Traffic".
Cy
~ Cyberian ~ said:Again, I must ask we keep on topic, "Define Legit Traffic".
The middle ground is wide, and as of yet, still generally undefined.
No one loves a good debate more than I do, just ask most of the posters
in this thread, but I really want to keep this focused and on track.
I (and others) are learning a lot here, this has turned into a very educational thread.
Lets keep it flowing in a positive direction.
Cy
DnPresident said:It's very simple, Gooood names with relevant landers and ad relevance. The name muuust describe in easy understandable language what the lander will be displaying.
If a domain holder is so damn lame he tries to fool the customer by false advertisement, I have no love for him/her GOOD RIDDANCE!
To define Legit Traffic is to say a green apple is a green apple not Free Red apples once they click. It's expensive targeted customers that convert/purchase and I'm 100% certain mine do just that.
When you purchase a name, if you can not visualize the END Product, there's a problem. I like names that the customer can easily visualize the end product. If I say DigitalCameras, I have beef if the lander displays FREE Ipods, I want my customers to have Digital Cameras. If I say WorldTeaSales, I'm not wanting free soda pop on my lander.
I hope other domainers agree. This is my life, not a game or a trick, It's seriouis business.
I respect my visitors and want them to click through because of their interest in the ad relevance. I hope other domainers hold the same feelings.
I think some parking companies have already started doing that, you can park your domain on them and choose what link to display.say DigitalCameras and choose what digital camera links you wantDnPresident said:It's very simple, Gooood names with relevant landers and ad relevance. The name muuust describe in easy understandable language what the lander will be displaying.
If a domain holder is so damn lame he tries to fool the customer by false advertisement, I have no love for him/her GOOD RIDDANCE!
To define Legit Traffic is to say a green apple is a green apple not Free Red apples once they click. It's expensive targeted customers that convert/purchase and I'm 100% certain mine do just that.
When you purchase a name, if you can not visualize the END Product, there's a problem. I like names that the customer can easily visualize the end product. If I say DigitalCameras, I have beef if the lander displays FREE Ipods, I want my customers to have Digital Cameras. If I say WorldTeaSales, I'm not wanting free soda pop on my lander.
I hope other domainers agree. This is my life, not a game or a trick, It's serious business.
I respect my visitors and want them to click through because of their interest in the ad relevance. I hope other domainers hold the same feelings.
DnPresident said:I do have a question, I suppose it would be answered best from someone experienced in seeing parking revenue numbers.
What's a good portfolio pull in for revenue in a day?
$1000 an hour? Come on, hit us with them digits.
I just want $5,000 a day for now.
So what parking company has the highest paying portfolio?
mellowmasher said:Thanks John for bringing this thread to my attention its been an interesting read
I have hundreds of parked names so any legit tips on increasing traffic and rev is very welcome.
Great idea of some sort of meeting with Q & A if this can be arranged
Will watch this thread :tu:
hitchhiker said:Mr. President, you kinda have unreasonable expectations
goodkarmaco said:I can't speak for the domain owner who lost his parking privileges for displaying a small sign on his vehicle stating his parked domain. It did happen and in the last year. The person is a very liked member of Afternic and maybe he will come forward and explain more as I am not going to say his name.
I find it hard to believe some members think their parked name is like some kind of developed web site, completely owned by the domain owner.. Its a partnership with your parking partner and is not solely controlled by the domain owner. The domain owner needs to follow the parking providers rules for parking. They have those rules so they can get qualified advertisers.
What would happen to the parking concept if everyone started sidestepping their tos? All the legitmacy of qualified natural traffic names or seo traffic would be replaced by gimmic ways to get people to see our parked pages and the advertisers would bow out.
If we want to see the parking providers pay us better we need to police ourselves better.
I see it like this, if the search engines bring traffic naturally that is good and if a name is directly typed in that is good. If we are trying to buy traffic or pushing it by purchasing directory traffic we will end up never getting clicks that are not paid for. Parking is all about free income. Parking names is not website developement. We cannot build value in a parked name by throwing money at it.
For those who want to "push" traffic to a domain, why not develope it into a web site instead of parking it? Then all the adwords you want can be purchased and signs can be splashed on the auto. Thats the difference between parking and owning a domain name that is made into a website. The website has the owner to "make" something out of it. Parking has the search terms and type in's for its traffic source.
Advertisers are very informed these days and they have the choice. Pay for internet traffic for their products or services or to go the traditional route and that is magazines, radio, billboards, etc.
The parking companies are trying very hard to win over the advertisers from the traditional ways to advertise and to get them to see the benefit of advertising on our keyword domains. They have been doing a really great job as reported at the Traffic conventions, on Dnj and recently in all the major newspapers.
Lets help them continue to win them over.
DnPresident said:Hi Hitchhiker,
Well, maybe so but when you have parking companies that demand proof that your portfolio earn a minimum of $10,000 per month with a combined 5,000 customers per day before they'll even allow you to submit an application ha it should make you stop and think. A mi..ni..mum of 10kper month. That tells me there's quite a few in the xxx,xxx range and probably some in the millions per month.
Something I think needs to change is to refer to your customers as traffic/visitors that's just makes them sound to much like a number, Might just be me though.
Badger said:Nice post Rod.
Ok, I thought i was on topic before, but lets just capsulize "Legit Traffic".
Legit traffic can come from anywhere. Its not about the undercurrent that seems to be going on in this thread which seems to be not "what defines legit traffic" but more "what can I get away with"..
You guys need to remove yourself from this kind of mindset.
Legit traffic is simply traffic that converts. If you think submitting to 1000 directories will achieve this for your domains then go for it. If you think by pumping/parking your domain will convert, then go for it also.. Parking companies are simply instructed to regimentally police their traffic. Moreover root feed providers are becoming involved now with individual "affiliates" (as they call domainers). If your traffic doesnt provide value to the advertiser then you may be told 'au revoir'. Certainly our new platform will.
Also, how domainers can possibly ask "what specifically defines legit traffic?" is beyond me, for this is an impossible request.
As Roderick mentions above, we have to individually police ourselves. Ad dollars are flowing onto the net at an unbelievable pace, creating an imbalance in the relationship between root providers and domainers.
The revenue undeveloped domains create is substantial, but miniscule when compared with the growth of online advertising. In order to survive and to flourish as a result, undeveloped domains and domainers in general need to not be looked upon anymore as bestowers of click fraud and instead become providers of "legit" and "converting" traffic. There is no other way.
You dont need a conference to discuss this, for its a common and simple answer that all the parking companies will give you. Becoming embroiled into answering individual questions like "can I place a link here, an ad here, a billboard there, an email there, a sign on my head or a sandwich board in the high street" are all irrelevant distractions from the real topic in hand.
Legit traffic is traffic that has a high chance of converting for the advertiser.. Shall I run through it again?
goodkarmaco said:Thks, Badger,
I am thinking now anything goes?
goodkarmaco said:I was just being a little funny, as I see what Badger says perfectly, and very well stated I may add. Thank you with many handshakes for taking the time to clarify the nature of traffic and the supply side purchasers.
This is a very positive step for the domain business as more and more ad dollars are chasing online transactions. It is not that hard to capitilize on this huge trend. In my opinion it is much easier to find domains and or tweak parking pages with the proper search term, keyword or phrase then to try and re-invent the wheel.
Time and effort is required to try to "push" traffic to a parked page. Since doing so is not going to bring a huge pay-back why bother? Why not instead have a domain name that has demand? Some may say, " all the good terms and generics are taken".
Are they really? I just bought a one word dictionary name for under $20.00. It does not make a fortune, but it will be paid for very soon. The person just did not do any research as what the term meant and thus had no way to monetize it.
On my desk are stacks of papers, notebooks and notes that all have good overture and good search potential for names that will bring in cash. If every domainer would do the required research, they would find names that will make them money. Every day new domains are being created that are making money as soon as they are parked.
In my case it just makes sense to reg and park those kinds of names, when I compare the time required or the funds required to "push" traffic to a non- performing name I feel I am wasting my time and resources.
Searching for names having traffic potential or search potential, parking them and then tweaking them to their full potential is a formula that brings success.
Badger said:Ok, I thought i was on topic before, but lets just capsulize "Legit Traffic".
blaknite said:I guess I should have read the thread title a little closer myself. It appears I've been arguing a little too far to one side. I agree 100% that you can get "legit" traffic from web directories. I believe that in this instance you are defining "legit" to mean traffic that has good potential to convert. However based on that definition "legit traffic" doesnt really have to mean that it is acceptable to your parking company.
If I came up with a list of gamblers anonymous members email addresses. I would have a solid list of people who are highly likely to click on a gambling ad. Now say I were to send them spam emails once a day advertising a gambling domain name that is parked. Chances are once they break down and actually vist the domain they will convert. Do you suppose this scenario would be acceptable to any parking company? The traffic would certainly be "legit" as the visitors would legitimately be interested in gambling.
Exactly!!!!!blaknite said:I believe that in this instance you are defining "legit" to mean traffic that has good potential to convert. However based on that definition "legit traffic" doesnt really have to mean that it is acceptable to your parking company.
~ Cyberian ~ said:Exactly!!!!!
I didn't start this thread to perpetuate the Us vs Them scenario that has prevailed in this sub-section of our industry for far to long.
My purpose is to find clarification from the Services on their guidelines, which now five reps have graciously joined our thread and submitted viewpoints as well as TOS.
We have invited others, and it will be interesting to hear from them as well.
Most of us know our traffic sources for most of our names, so if we were given a clear picture of what is acceptable from each Service, we wouldn't have to spend as much time pin balling different names from one to the other looking for the best revenue.
One name will do better one place than another, another name, the opposite may be true. This Service converts this traffic best, that Service converts that traffic best.
This Service allows arbitrage, another doesn't.
They/we are not enemies, we are on the same side. We all want the same thing, higher converting, quality traffic.
Peace,
Cy