Don't ask for appraisals for new TLDs

i think eventually one of the new gtld's will become the next 'face.book' not because of the extension but more so because content is still king, plus when google start 'giving away' some of their extensions there will be a move towards 'something new' Then throw in a few .city and .canon and .sony .bmw sites and the change has begun ….like it or not there will be changes and he next generation of joe public will grow up with them plus .com

sdsinc said:

The problem with those extensions is their limited scope. You just can't put any keyword to the left of .guru or .sexy, .link or .whatever. These TLDs are gadgets to me, I can't use them for my real-world business, which is a serious business.
On the other hand a .com or ccTLD is versatile. It can be used for anything.

Since the supply of meaningful keywords is limited, the growth prospects are capped from the beginning.
And accordingly the demand (if there is one) will be tiny as well. There isn't going to be enough volume.
It's already hard enough to turn a profit on .com. The few opportunities in this game are for the registries, not the ordinary domainers.

To take an example, computer.guru was actually bought by this guy:
http://domainincite.com/15711-meet-the-first-new-gtld-domainer

The guy apparently spent $30,000 on .guru domains. Ouch.
I almost feel bad for him. People like him have gambled on the second coming of .com, they all got burnt, always, for a reason.

I mean, it's okay to speculate, even to buy stuff that is worthless but do you really need to buy hundreds or thousands of domains when you know you are only going to sell a couple at best... the few sales are unlikely to offset the losses and renewal costs.

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You really made a good point I think.

The meaningful words you can associate to every extension are limited ( even though, as always, domainers seem to ignore it... ) so the new .everything ( the ones that will survive the slashing of the market itself ) will be only niches.

I am pretty sure that the .photography, for example, could be successful among professional photographers , amateurs and probably even among some brands who want to target that niche but when it's about brands then HOW those domains will rank in G is pretty fundamental.

I am sorry but stating that G ranks well the new extension because of a n# 8 page for a zero competition keyword doesn't really make my day!

Would you go for a .com which is a " well oiled machine " or for a .everything? I think that for now, if I had a brand I make my living with, I would go for the .com, even though, in some years, the horizon could look different.

NS said:

That is true.:blink:

They should know the value of their precious gems since they reg'd them.

According to these humans, the value of their domains comes from their grandiose development ideas... but their very own website still says "Just another Wordpress site" :D They have little to no experience about developing names.

That alone should tell them to stop right there in their tracks, and stop reg'ing... coz without their development ideas... or rather development dreams actually happening, those domains are worth nothing.

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Would you like to show us any "precious gems" that you own and have developed?

opalxx said:

Would you like to show us any "precious gems" that you own and have developed?

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I am not in NS' mind but I think that what he meant is that at this point in time it seems there is no market ( or just a tiny one ) for the new extensions, which means there are hardly any sells, that means there is no history, which translates in no price comparison that leads to the impossibility of appraising them.

In every business NO MARKET EQUALS NO VALUE

SO the value people give them is, in their mind, the development potential aka " what you can do with that name " , but since hardly any of those domains have been properly developed ( as they still are basic WP pages ) the thought " well..what did you reg that domain for an where do you think the value of that is " is almost automatic.

The .com has a sort of intrinsic value itself ( WAIT! it's a generic statement : let's leave nonsense domains out please ) while the new extensions don't and I think people here, everyone with his own words and with his own way, are trying to warn those colleagues who are registering new tlds like there is no tomorrow, that they might be walking on a mined field.

It is not a competition.

content is king ….no what extension, to ignore this is wrong, it's really what end users do with these that may see the results down the road

evirtual1 said:

content is king ….no what extension, to ignore this is wrong, it's really what end users do with these that may see the results down the road

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Yes content is king but you can't deny the fact that it would be, at this stage, pretty risky for a brand to invest in a new tld. It would be no different than gambling.

For all the reasons many pros have already explained

Furthermore, yes, content is king as long as you use it! If all you ( generic you ) put together is a default WP page then what?

Those domainers are treating the new tlds,like the .com : they wait for a domainer, for an offer, for a reseller to want to buy the name to flip it; but what they are failing to understand is that there aren't domainers willing to buy those names off them. ( wit the exclusion of top level premium extra particular and specific word combinations which unfortunately don't make the rule, but the exception ).

In conclusion, if those people are not going to seriously develop those names I am foreseeing many disappointed domainers who lost tons of money

sdsinc said:

Hello :hi:

Please don't ask for appraisals for new TLDs.
There is no established market. Therefore nobody can give you a price range. But it is very unlikely you will be able to resell them at a profit.

Therefore assume they are worth zero undeveloped :gl:

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You've just stated that because there's no market you can't give a price range and then proceeded to give a price range of zero.

Hypocrite

Even with a market most appraisals are junk. What's more interesting is the general view of the name as functional for a given purpose... i.e. does it potentially have value. I think we can agree that computer.guru is with a greater potential than NameprosShootTheShThread.guru.

Unfortunately people want an appraisal that makes them feel all warm and fuzzy...for those I will quote Frank Schilling..

Frank Schilling ‏@Frank_Schilling Feb 25
Bumpy launch today but we learned lots. Registrar launch this Mar. Registrants buying at $20 today ALL made money IMHO. More deals out there

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Frank Schilling ‏@Frank_Schilling Feb 27
Just had an epiphany. EverythingGood.EveryExtension (the very best) will be gone this year - 2014 the year of handreg's. Pennies from Heaven

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You can't lose if you get in early enough.. Pennies from Heaven...give it 5 years and you'll be loaded.

photonmymind said:

Yes content is king but you can't deny the fact that it would be, at this stage, pretty risky for a brand to invest in a new tld. It would be no different than gambling.

For all the reasons many pros have already explained

Furthermore, yes, content is king as long as you use it! If all you ( generic you ) put together is a default WP page then what?

Those domainers are treating the new tlds,like the .com : they wait for a domainer, for an offer, for a reseller to want to buy the name to flip it; but what they are failing to understand is that there aren't domainers willing to buy those names off them. ( wit the exclusion of top level premium extra particular and specific word combinations which unfortunately don't make the rule, but the exception ).

In conclusion, if those people are not going to seriously develop those names I am foreseeing many disappointed domainers who lost tons of money

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So you don't think that .berlin or .london will not have significant development or .web and so on, yes there will be ground breakers out there , way too early in the history of the internet to dismiss change, there are plenty of people losing money in .com as well. The budget of google and amazon will be enormous when it comes to promoting their brands/gtld's. Changes are coming no matter what domainers say, the question is how long until they are significant ?

evirtual1 said:

So you don't think that .berlin or .london will not have significant development or .web and so on, yes there will be ground breakers out there , way too early in the history of the internet to dismiss change, there are plenty of people losing money in .com as well. The budget of google and amazon will be enormous when it comes to promoting their brands/gtld's. Changes are coming no matter what domainers say, the question is how long until they are significant ?

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OH YES DEFINITELY! I am just saying that atm there are too many extensions that won't last and that the combination of words must make sense.

I am more than convinced that some, or more than some, new tlds will survive and thrive but that doesn't mean that the names I keep seeing people register are worthy.

And then, I will want to see how they rank because in my view it is an important aspect.

I really think wait and see how it all pans out, some said the internet wouldn't even last when it first appeared so just gotta wait i suggest, at worst interesting if you are not over exposed

evirtual1 said:

i think eventually one of the new gtld's will become the next 'face.book' not because of the extension but more so because content is still king,

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The problem is always the same, there is a shortage of quality contents on alt extensions. People apparently are reluctant to use them for serious, large-scale projects. [Hint: try to figure out why].
Defensive registrations by TM holders are typically passive: non-resolving domains or redirects. The speculators park them or put up a placeholder page.
Eventually the TLDs become dead zones.

Somebody has to start the ball rolling, before the TLD can build momentum.

The corpTLDs could achieve some recognition, but that doesn't spell success for other generic extensions or geoTLDs. Every TLD is different.

evirtual1 said:

plus when google start 'giving away' some of their extensions there will be a move towards 'something new' Then throw in a few .city and .canon and .sony .bmw sites and the change has begun ….like it or not there will be changes and he next generation of joe public will grow up with them plus .com

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Giving domains away for free is a good way to kill a TLD, because you are going to have a high prevalence of spamming, phishing, and all kinds of nefarious purposes. And little quality development (no budget).

.tk is a good example of an extension nuked through misuse and abuse. info to a lesser extent, but still has the stigma of a spammer TLD.
We'll see how .berlin is going to deal with it.

DU said:

You've just stated that because there's no market you can't give a price range and then proceeded to give a price range of zero.

Hypocrite

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I don't see a contradiction here :gl: OK, how much do you want it to be ?
Reg fee ? It's a lot of money when the regular fee is $250 or $400/year

DU said:

Even with a market most appraisals are junk.

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True. It's always a best case scenario. But at least a .com has a remote chance of selling.

Saying that new extensions don't carry more risk than .com because money is being lost on .com - now that would be hypocrisy. Fact is, the few domain millionaires have all made their money on .com, never on .biz .asia or stuff like that. The only way to milk new extensions adequately is to be a registry or registrar. But you don't beat the casino at its own game.

I think google is giving away (in another language script) for the first year then ,,,$13 a year, i read it somewhere, as mentioned interesting times ahead, perhaps some will become 'deadzones' let's start with .rich
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Law of averages says some of the new gtld's will succeed and with that comes awareness

As I have listed a couple of names on Flippa I took the time to browse the inventory and I found out there are many new tld domains for sale but hardly any has bids...just to confirm what I was stating some posts above; that is there is not a reseller - investor market for those domains yet.

photonmymind said:

As I have listed a couple of names on Flippa I took the time to browse the inventory and I found out there are many new tld domains for sale but hardly any has bids...just to confirm what I was stating some posts above; that is there is not a reseller - investor market for those domains yet.

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some of the names would not stand out as .coms either, 'yet' being the magic word, could take years

Yes EVI but while there is always a little chance to sell a .com even if crappy there is no chance for the new tlds and the market ( which is mostly made by domainers ) shows it

photonmymind said:

As I have listed a couple of names on Flippa I took the time to browse the inventory and I found out there are many new tld domains for sale but hardly any has bids...just to confirm what I was stating some posts above; that is there is not a reseller - investor market for those domains yet.

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These new GLTDs are almost all to resellers, so there is a reseller market @ RegFee.

stub said:

These new GLTDs are almost all to resellers, so there is a reseller market @ RegFee.

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Yes, when they register the domain...but how many are actually buying the name from another domainer at reg fee that is most of the time above 200 - 300$?

Not that many as far as I could see.

But even if there are any sales of that ilk, they are so minimal, that it doesn't make a marketplace. Even Schilling is saying that about his .guru registrations. Hang onto them for 5 years and make a bundle. Maybe/Maybe not.

Yeah, it's not like the end users are lining up and eager to buy these little things
I understand domainers want to buy at least a couple "just in case" but treat them like lottery tickets.
The drops will be fun to watch next year

You're just a little negative Nancy aren't you? seems like you're the type of person that gets off on people's failures. And yes there will be drops, but only the names people realized were bad names were either too long or didn't make sense with the extension

sdsinc said:

Yeah, it's not like the end users are lining up and eager to buy these little things
I understand domainers want to buy at least a couple "just in case" but treat them like lottery tickets.
The drops will be fun to watch next year

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Right, show me the sales. I'm not talking about dreams here. But hard cold cash.
I mean, domainers are buying domain names in the hope of selling them, usually they are not going to develop them and turn them into outstanding websites or online businesses.

The problem is that even keywords that actually fit the extension (and will survive the drop) will have no buyers. A few exceptions possible, but statistically not enough to make the game attractive to us.
What do people expect, we already have a shortage of buyers for good .com domains.

You think I'm being negative, perhaps it's because you didn't like my comments about your domains, but don't take it personally.
I don't care because I have invested $0 in new extensions, so I am not going to suffer.

sales? You talking about the new gTLDs that just came out? lol. sales to whom? Domainers? Me, I never register names to flip to domaine rs. I always register with the end user in mind. And "will have no buyers"? Maybe you don't know how to find them? And yes I didn't like your comment not because you broke my heart but it just showed me the type person that you are. Your comment was snide sarcastic and uninformed. It added no value whatsoever to the thread. If you haven't invested in the new extensions that's all good nobody gives a damn. Just don't go around trying to sound like you know what you're talking about.

sdsinc said:

Right, show me the sales. I'm not talking about dreams here. But hard cold cash.
I mean, domainers are buying domain names in the hope of selling them, usually they are not going to develop them and turn them into outstanding websites or online businesses.

The problem is that even keywords that actually fit the extension (and will survive the drop) will have no buyers. A few exceptions possible, but statistically not enough to make the game attractive to us.
What do people expect, we already have a shortage of buyers for good .com domains.

You think I'm being negative, perhaps it's because you didn't like my comments about your domains, but don't take it personally.
I don't care because I have invested $0 in new extensions, so I am not going to suffer.

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Just looking at the registration trends indicates that most gTLDs are struggling to get momentum. The land rushes are compressed in that instead of lasting for weeks or months, they are compressed into days. The other issue is that development by the small business owners (the mom and pop enterprises) which any new TLD needs for public awareness and acceptance is not happening yet due to the low registration figures. Despite the focus on brand name registrations, it is these mom and pop operations that actually drive momentum in new TLDs and without them, the TLDs never break through to a mass market. There's a consolidation trend (increasing focus on the .com/ccTLD axis in many countries) in the major TLDs that has been evident for some years now and the timing of the launches of many of these new gTLDs is akin to the timing of the launch of .ASIA a few years ago. In terms of sales, these are only micro level markets of a few thousand registrations - there is not enough activity or registration volume to know exactly how sales will go or if they will be viable TLDs yet.

Regards...jmcc

gc1282 said:

sales? You talking about the new gTLDs that just came out? lol. sales to whom? Domainers? Me, I never register names to flip to domaine rs. I always register with the end user in mind. And "will have no buyers"? Maybe you don't know how to find them? And yes I didn't like your comment not because you broke my heart but it just showed me the type person that you are. Your comment was snide sarcastic and uninformed. It added no value whatsoever to the thread. If you haven't invested in the new extensions that's all good nobody gives a damn. Just don't go around trying to sound like you know what you're talking about.

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It's always the same with any big change there will be those who will be anti and scream how they know it all based on past experience. Like the past is some kind of garantee

Next time just quote them this one:

“People who say it cannot be done should not interrupt those who are doing it”

George Bernard Shaw

So true. And Love that quote. It's perfect. Saving that one. TY

loupe said:

It's always the same with any big change there will be those who will be anti and scream how they know it all based on past experience. Like the past is some kind of garantee

Next time just quote them this one:

“People who say it cannot be done should not interrupt those who are doing it”

George Bernard Shaw

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