The USA Political Thread

JB Lions said:

the new Republican platform won’t call for giving weapons to Ukraine to fight Russian and rebel forces, contradicting the view of almost all Republican foreign policy leaders in Washington."

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So suddenly you are a fan of Republican foreign policy? Who is the flip flopper now?

Regarding factcheck, I can register a domain with 'fact' in it as well. There is not a single site out there that is free of bias. Especially when it comes to politics the facts are all found between the lines. Sadly, nobody bothers to read between the lines on statements they agree with.

Domainace said:

So suddenly you are a fan of Republican foreign policy? Who is the flip flopper now?

Regarding factcheck, I can register a domain with 'fact' in it as well. There is not a single site out there that is free of bias. Especially when it comes to politics the facts are all found between the lines. Sadly, nobody bothers to read between the lines on statements they agree with.

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Who said I was a fan of Republican foreign policy, can't you read? I merely pointed out how Manafort could have influenced the platform, since it's different than it typically is.

And your response to Fact Check is useless. Can't you Google and read up on it? Are you completely unaware of the site? Like I said, fact check an article on the site, show me something they get wrong. And Annenberg was a life long Republican btw.

It's the most legit political site out there, if you're into facts. I know it's not something you're really into, since you used Clinton Cash as a source.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FactCheck.org

http://www.factcheck.org/

haha, just saw this, you can't make this stuff up:

Michele Bachmann: I'm advising Trump on foreign policy

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box...-michele-bachmann-donald-trump-foreign-policy

JB Lions said:

Who said I was a fan of Republican foreign policy, can't you read? I merely pointed out how Manafort could have influenced the platform, since it's different than it typically is.

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Oh, I see. It looked like you meant diverting from the Republican platform was something you disapproved of, though the way you wrote it was ambiguous. Instead you meant to show that diversion from the typical platform was indicative of Manafort's influence. Which would have been a great point....if Trump was a typical candidate.

However, since Trump quite freely (even radically) diverts from the Republican platform, and since his position on the Ukraine is consistent with many of his other positions regarding foreign military activity (except the Middle East), you have absolutely nothing at all to support your suggestion of exceptional influence. Anything else?

Just for kicks I followed your link to the Wikipedia entry for factcheck. Not that Wikipedia is infallible, but you seem to like it.

FactCheck.org is a nonprofit[2] website that describes itself as a non-partisan[3] "'consumer advocate' for voters that aims to reduce the level of deception and confusion in U.S. politics".

I'm not sure if you are familiar with the use of quotes to denote doubt in a phrase, but this is not exactly a ringing endorsement. The quotes around "consumer advocate" is Wikipedia's way of saying "their words, not ours." The quotes would not be necessary if FactCheck was in fact a consumer advocate.

Note also that Wikipedia says a nonprofit[2] website that describes itself as a non-partisan[3] .
Wikipedia carefully avoids saying FactCheck.org is non-partisan. (I am describe myself as non-partisan, by the way. So there.) The site goes on to quote other websites and media sources who call it non-partisan. But those are all opinions, of course.

Domainace said:

Oh, I see. It looked like you meant diverting from the Republican platform was something you disapproved of, though the way you wrote it was ambiguous. Instead you meant to show that diversion from the typical platform was indicative of Manafort's influence. Which would have been a great point....if Trump was a typical candidate.

However, since Trump quite freely (even radically) diverts from the Republican platform, and since his position on the Ukraine is consistent with many of his other positions regarding foreign military activity (except the Middle East), you have absolutely nothing at all to support your suggestion of exceptional influence. Anything else?

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I never said exceptional influence, I said "he helped move the platform more pro-Russia"

instead of making stuff up, try quoting.

Ukraine, praise of Putin, views on Nato etc. Stuff we went thru already. That is more pro-Russia, exactly what I said.

JB Lions said:

I never said exceptional influence, I said "he helped move the platform more pro-Russia"
instead of making stuff up, try quoting.

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OK, here's your quote: "he helped move the platform more pro-Russia"

Prove it.

Domainace said:

OK, here's your quote: "he helped move the platform more pro-Russia"

Prove it.

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Trump changed views on Ukraine after hiring Manafort

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/trump-manafort-ukraine-crimea-russia-226573

Then the platform moved more pro-Russia.

Did you miss all the articles on Manafort? I'm not going to go thru them all for you, do some reading on your own.

Sorry, an article from a biased news source based on innuendo. That's not proof of anything. And even Politico is careful not to come out and say it was Manafort's influence. They just suggest it, because they can't prove it either. Got anything else?

Domainace said:

Sorry, an article from a biased news source based on innuendo. That's not proof of anything. And even Politico is careful not to come out and say it was Manafort's influence. They just suggest it, because they can't prove it either.

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That you replied that quickly, you just outed yourself. You didn't even read it. If you want to pretend Manafort had no influence on Trump in regards to Russia, with all that info out there, so be it. You're just trying to hold it down for your man. Like I said, should have picked somebody more qualified, then it's easier.

Show me the proof I missed.

GILSAN said:

LOL... Sweden has become an international joke as the Rape capital of the world.

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Can you anti-muslim rightwingers please stop spreading the lie that Sweden is the rape capital of the world?

GILSAN said:

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Put Breitbart and Fox News on that list.

Hear no evil, See no evil, Speak no evil...

Looks like Trump's "pivot" lasted about 3 days. Some people keep hoping he'll change into an adult, pretend to be Presidential.

"Trump's tweets come just a day after his new campaign manager, Kellyanne Conway, told ABC News that he doesn't attack people personally.

"He doesn’t hurl personal insults,” she said."

Trump - https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump
Tried watching low-rated @Morning_Joe this morning, unwatchable! @morningmika is off the wall, a neurotic and not very bright mess!

Some day, when things calm down, I'll tell the real story of @JoeNBC and his very insecure long-time girlfriend, @morningmika. Two clowns!

I have yet to see proof that Sweden is the rape capital of the world.

I cant wait that you show me statistics, so I can tell you that even a hit on the ass is considered rape in Sweden, hence the high rape statistics in Sweden. Because Sweden considers literally everything a rape.

This is an interesting read, just how many times Trump has flip flopped, pivoted, changed his mind on issues.

A Full List of Donald Trump's Rapidly Changing Policy Positions

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/201...p-s-rapidly-changing-policy-positions-n547801

He's been cancelling some rallies, pushed back his immigration speech. He's been looking tired, clutching the podium. Not good. Very low energy. I think he might be taking time for his people to decide for him what his policies actually are and then write them down for the teleprompter they make him stick to nowadays.

Have Trump praising Obama now, seems to be softening on his deportation force:

Trump:
"As far as everybody else, we're going to go through the process, " he said. "What people don't know is that Obama got tremendous numbers of people out of the country, Bush the same thing. Lots of people were brought out of the country with the existing laws. Well, I'm going to do the same thing."

That wall he said he was going to build. He said that won't start until they get all the illegals out, he said maybe up to 2 years. Experts have said 10x that long, about 20 years. So even if he got elected, no wall, no mass deportation, no blocking Muslims. No nothing.

Trump would take 2 years to deport millions of undocumented immigrants

"Trump also said that he wouldn't build the wall along the Southern border he has proposed until all the undocumented immigrants are out."

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-...o-2-years-to-deport-millions-of-undocumented/

Keeps flip flopping daily.

trumpvote.com ? How about that?

America's best sheriff... Sheriff Clarke. Just like Trump, he doesn't give a crap about Political Correctness