news Dan.com to increase comission from 9% to 15% effective Feb 1st 2023

[MadAboutDomains]

Just received this email from Dan.com about commission increases (snippet of email):

Thoughts?

 

[tonyk2000]

namecheap is also an afternic partner. But now if we use dan's landers we'll have 15% fees for namecheap's mls sales, except if we list our domain on sedo, we'll have 20% fees ---> If i continue to list my domains on sedo, i'll pay more fees than if i dont !!!

the question is will namecheap select the same domain from sedo feed or from afternic feed...

 

[Rhinnnn]

the question is will namecheap select the same domain from sedo feed or from afternic feed...

Namecheap prioritizes Sedo over Afternic. I tested this with the same domains priced differently at Sedo than at Afternic.

Namecheap always displays the Sedo price, plus a small discount of their own.

 

[davidc1]

the question is will namecheap select the same domain from sedo feed or from afternic feed...

Continuiing having our domains listed on sedo could result in more fees, why taking the risk ?
If sedo dont move quickly they are dead...

 

[Ostrados]

@Sedo

Thanks for commenting on this thread.

I have few questions:

1- Do you plan to expand your MLS partners network?

2- You mentioned that NameCheap are part of your MLS, but when adding a domain to Sedo, NameCheap do not appear as MLS partner with (S) in the list.

3- Does it make difference to select Euro vs Usd when pricing domains at Sedo? I heard that most of your customers are from Europe so maybe Euro is better at Sedo?

 

[BigTree]

We don't see any downsides!
Happy that you like our new saleslander.

The downside is that it must be a buy-it-now price otherwise you charge 15%. Another downside is Sedo MLS which has 20% fee vs 15% Afternic (from February). Another downside is Sedo dashboard account - absolutely disgusting to use it and look at it. Customer service is also not good and much slower than DAN and often with copy-paste replies. There are many downsides about Sedo and there is a reason why so many people stopped using Sedo in recent years. And the only reason why some people consider Sedo now is just the 10% fee with buy it now setting. I will personally keep searching for another alternative.
I used Sedo for 10 yeas in the past and it was the best decision when I stopped using it.
At the beginning I will take a look at DAAZ, ETSY,..

 

[Mkt Sales Leads]

The final step will be to shut down Dan and raise Afternic commissions to 20%.

Yep. Some press release will one day announce that GoDaddy
"are pleased to have fully integrated Dan into the GoDaddy family and will from today rebrand Dan as....

...GoDaddy premiums"

 

[Bob Hawkes]

the question is will namecheap select the same domain from sedo feed or from afternic feed...

I only tested a handful of names (the 4 shown in table and about a dozen more checking some other things), but it seems that if the Sedo price is equal or less than the Afternic price, NC will list Sedo minus a little discount (e.g. $4850 for a $5000 listed name. However, if the Afternic price is less than Sedo, then NC seems to list that, without discount – for example when I tried a name listing at $5000 at Afternic and same name $10,000 at Sedo, both fast transfer activated, they listed it at $5000.

https://www.namepros.com/blog/a-deeper-look-at-domain-name-fast-transfer-sales-networks.1288722/

Of course, all of this may change when SpaceShip officially launches.

Interesting that Sedo said NC are part of their network. When I said online that names registered at NC were not eligible for Sedo MLS, but that NC was a seller for the Sedo MLS, the NC Twitter account corrected me and said they were not part of Sedo MLS. When I responded, but you can buy any name on Sedo MLS from NC, they agreed yes, but stressed that did not mean they are part of Sedo MLS. I am a little confused, not about how it works, but how to word it when I write about it.

-Bob

 

[Mkt Sales Leads]

They could raise it to 95% commission, they know most domainers will stay

Or maybe most go to Sedo, Namecheap /Daaz instead.

Unless GoDaddy buys all of them too.

 

[tonyk2000]

Unless GoDaddy buys all of them too

Heaven forbid...

 

[Mkt Sales Leads]

The worrying thing is they probably won't be stopping anytime soon on the acquisition side of things....

Since 2012 they have bought or merged with at least 1 company - normally 2+ per year........

Which leads on to this year.....they most likely will be looking at 1+ acquisitions this year - will it be on the domaining side or other parts of the business?....time will tell

Things are not going to improve in the Godaddy / domainer relationship..... if anything it will get worse going forwards....

Mark my words, if Sedo/HD/Buy Domains were put up for sale, GoDaddy would lick their lips.

 

[domainer111]

Brandbucket requires exclusivity, so names listed there cannot be listed on Afternic. However, I think I finally understand when the 25% would apply. I do have names listed on Sedo and they are also listed on Afternic. In this case, if the names sells via Afternic (and not Sedo MLS) then GD would take 25% (rather than the 20% I'd pay at Sedo). I've gotta consider whether the extra 5% is worth pulling names off Sedo (since I assume Sedo MLS and Afternic basically overlap other than GD itself). So Afternic is more valuable, although I do sell about the same # of names via Sedo as I do Afternic. I'd actually save 5% by doing this - since most of my names are <$5k. Although I do wonder about losing the European/Chinese sales, which is mostly what I get via Sedo.

BrandBucket listed names can now be listed at Afternic/Godaddy for the last few months. See your profile section at BrandBucket.

 

[Dane]

Anyone familiar with Sav? Are they good? Bad? How do they compare to the other players in this market?

 

[domainer111]

These are the daily stats for today, 6/1/23

Name server	Total Change	% Change	New Domains	Transfers In	Transfers Out	Deleted	Current Total
BODIS.COM	-40,141	-2.92%	1,126	3,192	-42,790	-1,669	1,375,156
DAN.COM	30,706	1.28%	1,228	38,120	-8,059	-583	2,403,642

The biggest NS movement of the day was portfolio holding 29,755 domains that moved from Bodis to DAN.

https://dailychanges.domaintools.com/top-movements/

So the migration towards the monopoly has started...

Wow thanks for posting, the data does not lie.

Parking, while not perfect, does offer a solution to some consumers/users looking for stuff on the web. Now less internet consumers - our customers - will get services they need.

This is not top priority for the fuedal landlord, who only cares about profits.

Correction: the feudal landlord only cares about servicing their humongous debt burden.

 

[bmugford]

I will keep my priced domains @Afternic, but as far as my higher upside domains, many of which I have unpriced...I am having a hard time seeing myself use Dan.com with a 15% fee going forward.

It just doesn't make sense to generate the lead from traffic to my lander, negotiate, then also pay a 15% fee.

I was using Voodoo landers in the past for years, and only moved these to Dan.com in the last couple years (or less). These domains were not in GoDaddy's ecosystem before, and might not be again.

I am considering other options.

Brad

 

[Dane]

Wow thanks for posting, the data does not lie.

Parking, while not perfect, does offer a solution to some consumers/users looking for stuff on the web. Now less internet consumers - our customers - will get services they need.

This is not top priority for the fuedal landlord, who only cares about profits.

Correction: the feudal landlord only cares about servicing their humongous debt burden.

And ParkingCrew too...

4,143 - From: PARKINGCREW.NET - To: DAN.COM

 

[Dane]

...as far as my higher upside domains, many of which I have unpriced...I am having a hard time seeing myself use Dan.com with a 15% fee going forward.

It just doesn't make sense to generate the lead from traffic to my lander, negotiate, then also pay a 15% fee.

I am considering other options.

I totally agree. Please keep us updated on what you decide to do. I'm not sure what to do myself.

 

[domainer111]

And ParkingCrew too...

4,143 - From: PARKINGCREW.NET - To: DAN.COM

Yes absolutely.

 

[domainer111]

I will keep my priced domains @Afternic, but as far as my higher upside domains, many of which I have unpriced...I am having a hard time seeing myself use Dan.com with a 15% fee going forward.

It just doesn't make sense to generate the lead from traffic to my lander, negotiate, then also pay a 15% fee.

I was using Voodoo landers in the past for years, and only moved these to Dan.com in the last couple years (or less). These domains were not in GoDaddy's ecosystem before, and might not be again.

I am considering other options.

Brad

I think it's 5% at Dan - even with the changes - if you bring the transaction to Dan? I could be way off on that but perhaps James can clarify.

There is also SquadHelp who charge a reasonable fee if you bring the transaction.

I'm thinking of trying Efty. For the moment I just switched the "buy domain" landing page to @Sedo .. not sure about the lander quality, but I understand they've done a lot of work on UX.

 

[AEProgram]

Mark my words, if Sedo/HD/Buy Domains were put up for sale, GoDaddy would lick their lips.

if they want it, they have enough money to buy them all

 

[bmugford]

I think it's 5% at Dan - even with the changes - if you bring the transaction to Dan? I could be way off on that but perhaps James can clarify.

There is also SquadHelp who charge a reasonable fee if you bring the transaction.

I'm thinking of trying Efty. For the moment I just switched the "buy domain" landing page to @Sedo .. not sure about the lander quality, but I understand they've done a lot of work on UX.

I use their landers and like to negotiate via their system. They have a very streamlined process, there is no denying that.

I considered 9% a cost of doing business.
However, 15% for me is going to make me consider other options.

I also fully expect that 5% option to go away shortly.

Brad

 

[Dane]

I considered 9% a cost of doing business.
However, 15% for me is going to make me consider other options.

I also fully expect that 5% option to go away shortly.

I feel exactly the same way, on all 3 counts.

By the way, I just deleted all of my names from Afternic. It felt... weird.

 

[Sperry8]

BrandBucket listed names can now be listed at Afternic/Godaddy for the last few months. See your profile section at BrandBucket.

Ah, I see it now. Apparently they promote it via Sedo and Dan (on our behalf) and I can set it up via Afternic as well. Of course this will result in a 25% commission (as of Feb 1) but still, likely worth it for the extra promotion. They need to update their FAQs which state we cannot do this...

 

[biggie]

I think it's 5% at Dan - even with the changes - if you bring the transaction to Dan?

Hi

you could "bring the transaction" to @Sedo, starting at 3%

i guess for some, it appears like a panic situation,
but the sky ain't falling.

so, for now, i'll keep my small portfolio of domain names right where they are.

imo...

 

[Ostrados]

Just for fun I asked ChatGPT about its legal opinion on this situation and here is the answer:

It is not uncommon for companies to adjust their pricing or terms of service, and there are generally no laws that prevent a company from making such changes. However, if a company engages in monopolistic behavior or engages in anticompetitive practices, it could potentially run afoul of antitrust laws.

Antitrust laws are designed to prevent companies from engaging in practices that might harm competition and consumers. These laws generally apply to businesses that have a significant level of market power, and they prohibit a variety of practices, such as price fixing, bid rigging, and other activities that might harm competition.

It is difficult to say whether the actions you describe would be considered monopolistic or anticompetitive without more information about the market in which Godaddy operates and the extent of its market power. If you believe that Godaddy's actions may be unlawful, you may want to consult with a lawyer or seek legal advice.

@jberryhill I would like to hear your opinion

 

[Recons.Com]

@James Iles

I saw this question asked earlier, but I am not sure if you answered it.

Can you please confirm that EVERYONE is subject to these same new terms?

Another way to phrase this - can you please confirm that no party is getting preferential treatment, AKA sweetheart deals, where they are paying a lower commission.

It is important that EVERYONE is operating under the same terms whether you have 1 domain or 1 million domains.

Please confirm that.

Brad

Did I miss his reply to this or is he ignoring this? Since he did reply the questions he cherry-picked.

His replies seem so robotic, as if generated by OpenAI.

This would be unsurprising from a regular corporation employee who doesn't quite know the actual issues their clients are facing, but coming from someone from within community and who even used to blog on the subject, this is frankly baffling.

I mean I do have direct line of communication and have been directly asked about the feedback by GD which I'll provide on the subject, but James' attitude here is really disappointing. He should learn a lot from @Joe Styler

PS unless his hands are tied and all his responses are strictly regulated. If so, please wink.
#FreeJames