news Dan.com to increase comission from 9% to 15% effective Feb 1st 2023

[MadAboutDomains]

Just received this email from Dan.com about commission increases (snippet of email):

Thoughts?

 

[branding]

The more I think of it... Maybe this is just about data harvesting... You'd be surprised how much data you can gather from DNS queries when domains are under YOUR control.

Up thread James confirmed a direct redirect to a lander at dan will result in a 25% fee. A penalty for not using THEIR dns so they cannot harvest YOUR data. Even if that technically makes no difference at all.

Since dan is a Dutch company, and it's not overly expensive, I'm starting to wonder if it's worth it to get legal involved as this does come across as being in breach of the EU antitrust policy.

 

[Reallybigidea.com]

Godaddy - Dear domainers, Happy new year...

 

[frank-germany]

More buzz around Godaddy makes their stocks up. Such threads indication for investors how many real people care about Godaddy services.

no it won't

 

[Ostrados]

Godaddy - Dear domainers, Happy new year...

An "f" is missing between "happy" and "new"

 

[Reallybigidea.com]

..

 

[Reallybigidea.com]

An "f" is missing between "happy" and "new"

Haha

 

[Sutruk]

Just to clarify, if your domain is pointing to a Dan nameserver in this scenario, and the sale is made at Afternic, you pay a 15% commission - you're correct, it's one network

I'm sorry, but I couldn't contain myself after seeing your smile on this subject.

So, what do you think about this clear anticompetitive practice by Godaddy? Don't you think it's a clear abuse of power in the field, for even more monopolization, the fact that you PUNISH your CUSTOMERS adding a 10% of commission just because they use other companies landers for their domains?

Don't you think that Afternic (Godaddy) with this move is simply trying to KILL any form of competitors? It was not enough to buy each and every competitor over there, but also you have to target the remaining competitors by directly punishing them?

At this stage, it's quite clear that Godaddy don't buy competitors to benefit the domain world, but to kill any kind of competition in the field. And not enough with that, now you have to make clearly anti-competitive practices in order to end up destroying any kind of a bit of the remaining competition.

No more Efty? No more Bodis? No to any alternative parking or for sale page? USE MY LANDERS, OR PAY 10% MORE on Afternic. Woohoo very fair practice.

 

[branding]

you PUNISH your CUSTOMERS adding a 10% of commission just because they use other companies landers for their domains?

Not landers... DNS. They want to control our domains.

Gonna be interesting to see what they will charge me for a lead I got today which with most probably take at least another month to finish up.

9% vs 25%.

 

[Sutruk]

Not landers... DNS. They want to control our domains.

Our domains and our traffic. In fact, they want to control every domain for sale out there. No more competitors, even if they have to directly and blatantly punish their own customers, adding a 10% more on Afternic, for using another service (pointing the DNS) from other company.

 

[Brian L.]

If I’m understanding this all correctly… Sales on Dan.com will be 15% whether you negotiate the sale yourself or if you use the godaddy/ afternic brokers to negotiate for you. Is everyone reading this the same way?

 

[Sutruk]

Sales on Dan.com will be 15% whether you negotiate the sale yourself or if you use the godaddy/ afternic brokers to negotiate for you. Is everyone reading this the same way?

Yes, sales on Dan.com will be 15%, as long as you use one of their "network" of DNS. Using any DNS outside of their monopoly would cost you an additional 10%.

 

[Dane]

This whole thing sucks.

 

[Future Sensors]

https://domainincite.com/28481-domainers-grumble-as-godaddy-cranks-up-commission-fees

 

[karmaco]

Maybe they can earn their undeserved raise on their outdated, 90’s website Afternic by you know a word they don’t know exists- innovation .

They can’t even manage to keep nefarious characters from listing our domains on Afternic and DAN let alone do anything actually innovative. It’s embarrassing . The reason DAN is so great to use is because GD had nothing to do with its creation and development.

Wrap your brain around the fact that they charge 15 to 25% for PROCESSING A PAYMENT.

Your name brings the interest to itself not anything GD does. Shit they will suggest hand regs to potential buyers right on your landers and checkout process.

 

[Recons.Com]

So now we we can fairly assume that the only probable reason to appoint the Domain Community Liaison was to break out the bad news?

Interestingly, Mr Liaison chooses to ignore all my questions here. Interesting attitude to a community member who happens to have almost 25000 .coms with Godaddy. Never have seen such an attitude from the other GD reps before.

 

[bmugford]

So now we we can fairly assume that the only probable reason to appoint the Domain Community Liaison was to break out the bad news?

Interestingly, Mr Liaison chooses to ignore all my questions here. Interesting attitude to a community member who happens to have almost 25000 .coms with Godaddy. Never have seen such an attitude from the other GD reps before.

I think at this point, the timing makes that a reasonable assumption.

I don't see anyone else from GoDaddy defending this.

It is pretty easy to play the "I am just the messenger" card that way.

Brad

 

[bmugford]

@James Iles

I saw this question asked earlier, but I am not sure if you answered it.

Can you please confirm that EVERYONE is subject to these same new terms?

Another way to phrase this - can you please confirm that no party is getting preferential treatment, AKA sweetheart deals, where they are paying a lower commission.

It is important that EVERYONE is operating under the same terms whether you have 1 domain or 1 million domains.

Please confirm that.

Brad

 

[koolishman]

Edit: I just now received the "Commission Model" emails from Afternic & Godaddy auctions.

It would've been nice to have this yesterday!

It's ridiculous that I have ask these questions, but if they had actually thought long and hard about this and spoke human, their notification wouldn't have caused so much confusion.

Yet here we are just over 24 hours later with 9K views and 450 replies totaling 18 pages here at NP...

I almost feel bad for James, who's now working overtime reading & responding to all the comments along with dealing with all the other issues with the platforms.

Although @James Iles confirmed it replaced the previous commission structure, there seemed to be so much focus on nameservers that it created suspicion that the 15% only applies to the landers and not purchase path sales.

Since I direct the majority of my leads to the purchase path, this obviously concerned me.

I have no problem paying a 15% commission. In fact, when they rolled out the tiered commission structure, I rallied for a flat rate 15%, so with the exception of the everything over 30K, this will be a bonus for me.

I'm just trying to get all the facts that were clearly left out in all the notifications, so that there aren't any surprises when it goes into affect. That's all.

No question is a stupid question.

He was recruited by GD in advance, to handle this backlash.

 

[lovely4ever]

with this situatiion i think Squadhelp standard listing got hit big time !! most will change nameserver
back to DAN/AFTERNIC/GODADDY to avoid the 25% commission if sales happened at AFTERNIC/GODADDY !!

.

 

[Domain Ethos]

Everyone mentioned the 10% increase to 25%, yet no one has mentioned that this is actually a 150% overall increase in money being taken away from sellers. Absolutely appalling. You should be ashamed having to defend this, even if it is your job. @James Iles I am sorry but being brutally blunt. Hope you communicate all of this to the right people.

 

[SuperDudePro]

Weird, it worked every time for me. The propagation of nameserver or TXT record changes might take a while (depending on registrar) so I always wait 15-20 minutes after doing it, and only then add my domains to DAN.

Same, works perfectly for me every single time.

 

[tonyk2000]

Can you please confirm that EVERYONE is subject to these same new terms?

GD has a good legal team, so I'd add:

... and nobody is subject to additional terms (under NDA no doubts), including but not limited to cashback or other incentives within GD ecosystem?

P.S.

All animals are equal but some are more equal than others​

(George Orwell)

 

[bmugford]

GD has a good legal team, so I'd add:

... and nobody is subjects to additional terms (under NDA no doubts), including but not limited to cashback or other incentives within GD ecosystem?

P.S.

All animals are equal but some are more equal than others​

(George Orwell)

If there is no direct answer to this question, I think the answer can be inferred.
I will tag @Paul Nicks as well to clarify that EVERYONE is subject to the same terms.

Brad

 

[DNGear]

A healthy competition leads to progress.
A monopoly contributes to market failure.

 

[bmugford]

A healthy competition leads to progress.
A monopoly contributes to market failure.

I agree.

I will set aside my issues with the commissions going up on Dan.com and removal of the tiered system on Afternic for now. The Afternic flat fee of 15% is probably beneficial to me personally, though I am not just thinking of myself here.

What I really want to focus on is what I consider GoDaddy's monopolistic anti-competition move of charging 25% (instead of 15%) for sales via Afternic/Dan if you are not using GoDaddy affiliated nameservers.

This is a direct shot at competition, trying to compel people to use GD nameservers. The effect of this move is to limit customer choices.

Why should a sale on Afternic not be the same commission regardless? It is essentially a penalty for people making a different choice.

Brad