news Dan.com to increase comission from 9% to 15% effective Feb 1st 2023

[MadAboutDomains]

Just received this email from Dan.com about commission increases (snippet of email):

Thoughts?

 

[SuperDudePro]

I don't know anything about trade law, but how can a supermarket charge one customer 75 cent, and another 50 cent? That doesn't seem right. It's actually a 67% markup for those not using the satellites! Somebody should complain to some trade board or something.

It happens all of the time. You get high volume discounts in almost any kind of large scale buying. You are less work to the company and to keep the business, they reward you with discounted rates. GoDaddy is giving you a discounted rate if you give them your lander traffic. The is no 'trade board or something' to complain to.

 

[SuperDudePro]

I agree.

I will set aside my issues with the commissions going up on Dan.com and removal of the tiered system on Afternic for now. The Afternic flat fee of 15% is probably beneficial to me personally, though I am not just thinking of myself here.

What I really want to focus on is what I consider GoDaddy's monopolistic anti-competition move of charging 25% (instead of 15%) for sales via Afternic/Dan if you are not using GoDaddy affiliated nameservers.

This is a direct shot at competition, trying to compel people to use GD nameservers. The effect of this move is to limit customer choices.

Why should a sale on Afternic not be the same commission regardless? It is essentially a penalty for people making a different choice.

Brad

I don't get the general concern for your competition. Like you, this move is a benefit to me based on the kind of sales that I get (vast majority under 5k, vast majority through the Afternic Network.

If this hurts people that I'm competing with, I hardly lose any sleep over it.

They aren't limiting your choice, they are offering you a reward to give them your lander traffic. I am already giving Dan/AN 90% of my traffic with the rest going to Brandbucket and Squadhelp. My sales at BB and SH have all come from within those marketplaces, never from AN.

This thread has been filled with people who haven't sold a domain for over 50k complaining about how this change will affect their over 50k volume. With many others claiming that they are leaving today, but we all know they'll still be there (the majority anyway) a year from now.

This is like all of the people complaining about Musk and Twitter, yet they are so addicted to it they can't leave, they just pronounce that they are leaving over and over.

 

[bmugford]

Maybe they can earn their undeserved raise on their outdated, 90’s website Afternic by you know a word they don’t know exists- innovation .

They can’t even manage to keep nefarious characters from listing our domains on Afternic and DAN let alone do anything actually innovative. It’s embarrassing . The reason DAN is so great to use is because GD had nothing to do with its creation and development.

Any time I buy a domain on Dan.com, I just assume it will not pan out.

I have bought domains many times only to find out the domain was not actually available and the transaction was canceled.

Sometimes this is blatantly obvious when you see a domain like World.com for $1,000 or something.

Also, when I listed some lower end priced domains on Dan.com there was an absurd conflict percentage.
These were often domains I owned for many years. Some other party listed these at some point.

@Paul Nicks @Joe Styler @James Iles

If you insist on keeping these commission hikes, I suggest you should probably create a thread on NamePros for suggestions, feedback, and issues with Afternic/Dan.

There are many things that need to be fixed and improved. Some of these issues go back many years.

Brad

 

[bmugford]

I don't get the general concern for your competition. Like you, this move is a benefit to me based on the kind of sales that I get (vast majority under 5k, vast majority through the Afternic Network.

If this hurts people that I'm competing with, I hardly lose any sleep over it.

Good for you. I guess we are just different type of people.

Brad

 

[NickB]

I don't get the general concern for your competition. Like you, this move is a benefit to me based on the kind of sales that I get (vast majority under 5k, vast majority through the Afternic Network.

If this hurts people that I'm competing with, I hardly lose any sleep over it.

They aren't limiting your choice, they are offering you a reward to give them your lander traffic. I am already giving Dan/AN 90% of my traffic with the rest going to Brandbucket and Squadhelp. My sales at BB and SH have all come from within those marketplaces, never from AN.

This thread has been filled with people who haven't sold a domain for over 50k complaining about how this change will affect their over 50k volume. With many others claiming that they are leaving today, but we all know they'll still be there (the majority anyway) a year from now.

This is like all of the people complaining about Musk and Twitter, yet they are so addicted to it they can't leave, they just pronounce that they are leaving over and over.

My sales where coming via DAN, not Afternic.....I was using DAN for BIN / Lease to own and make offer on Afternic, so it would of affected how much I pay out going forwards......

They can stick their reward/incentive, I've already moved on......

 

[DNGear]

Once upon a time, there lived a poor farmer in a small village along with his wife. The couple had a small farm where they grew vegetables and fruits and sold them in the local market to earn money. However, the farmer managed to save a little money each time he sold fruits and vegetables in the local market. With this extra money, the farmer and his wife decided to purchase a golden goose with an aim to become richer and richer.


The farmer took the golden goose to his farm and decided to build a nest for her so that she could lay eggs. The farmer thought he would use these eggs to sell, eat, and make bread.


The next morning when he went to collect some eggs for his breakfast, he found that the goose laid golden eggs. The farmer and his wife got excited seeing golden eggs. Soon the farmer discovered that the golden goose was not an ordinary goose as she started laying golden eggs everyday.


The poor farmer happily said to his wife, “This is a mysterious goose”. Now, we can quickly become richer and richer. The farmer and his wife were getting richer slowly and steadily. But it was no longer so, the farmer grew impatient with the goose because she was laying only a single egg a day. He was not getting rich fast enough as he thought.


Then one day, he imagined if a bird is able to lay golden eggs, then she must be made up of gold from inside. He thought he would get all the golden eggs at once by killing it and cutting it open. But when the goose was killed, not a single golden egg was found, and he also lost his precious “Golden Goose”.


Moral of the Story “Golden Goose”
The famous English proverb “Kill not the Goose that Lay Golden Eggs” is deeply rooted in this story. When we use this proverb, we mean that anyone who wishes to get more than he is entitled to ends up getting nothing in the future. Hence, the moral of the story is those who are greedy to have more, they even lose everything they have.

 

[Ostrados]

I agree.

I will set aside my issues with the commissions going up on Dan.com and removal of the tiered system on Afternic for now. The Afternic flat fee of 15% is probably beneficial to me personally, though I am not just thinking of myself here.

What I really want to focus on is what I consider GoDaddy's monopolistic anti-competition move of charging 25% (instead of 15%) for sales via Afternic/Dan if you are not using GoDaddy affiliated nameservers.

This is a direct shot at competition, trying to compel people to use GD nameservers. The effect of this move is to limit customer choices.

Why should a sale on Afternic not be the same commission regardless? It is essentially a penalty for people making a different choice.

Brad

Yes it is not about the 15% at DAN

It is about our freedom to park our domains wherever we want without any exclusivity terms

Thats why I left SquadHelp, I had 600 names with them, but because of their absolute exclusivity requirement I removed all my domains after 1 year. At least Squadhelp justified their 25%-30% commission by bringing their own traffic and actively advertising everywhere.

 

[Future Sensors]

I will tag @Paul Nicks as well to clarify that EVERYONE is subject to the same terms.

Brad, I wish you good luck getting a reply from him. Last time he was active was to vote for GoDaddy in the NamePros registrar poll, which was clearly not allowed.

 

[Orcax]

Dan fall~

 

[BigTree]

Some people recommend to just increase the price to make up for higher Afternic fee.
Of course this is a a stupid recommendation from people who understand nothing about this business.
But there is also one more thing, to use Afternic fast-transfer network the price cannot be higher than 100K so even that ridiculous recommendation could not be always used.

 

[Sperry8]

I see you have domains at BrandBucket. If you've also listed those domains at Afternic and they sell there, this is where the 25% commission applies. As in: You've sold a domain via Afternic while its nameservers were pointed to BrandBucket (thus not to a GoDaddy-controlled entity) so GoDaddy will take a 25% commission.

And if you sell a domain at BrandBucket or at any other place not associated with GoDaddy, then you don't need to worry about any GD commission as they have no business with your sale (even if said domain was also listed at Afternic or DAN).

Brandbucket requires exclusivity, so names listed there cannot be listed on Afternic. However, I think I finally understand when the 25% would apply. I do have names listed on Sedo and they are also listed on Afternic. In this case, if the names sells via Afternic (and not Sedo MLS) then GD would take 25% (rather than the 20% I'd pay at Sedo). I've gotta consider whether the extra 5% is worth pulling names off Sedo (since I assume Sedo MLS and Afternic basically overlap other than GD itself). So Afternic is more valuable, although I do sell about the same # of names via Sedo as I do Afternic. I'd actually save 5% by doing this - since most of my names are <$5k. Although I do wonder about losing the European/Chinese sales, which is mostly what I get via Sedo.

 

[Embrand]

Brandbucket requires exclusivity, so names listed there cannot be listed on Afternic. However, I think I finally understand when the 25% would apply. I do have names listed on Sedo and they are also listed on Afternic. In this case, if the names sells via Afternic (and not Sedo MLS) then GD would take 25% (rather than the 20% I'd pay at Sedo). I've gotta consider whether the extra 5% is worth pulling names off Sedo (since I assume Sedo MLS and Afternic basically overlap other than GD itself). So Afternic is more valuable, although I do sell about the same # of names via Sedo as I do Afternic. I'd actually save 5% by doing this - since most of my names are <$5k. Although I do wonder about losing the European/Chinese sales, which is mostly what I get via Sedo.

BrandBucket sellers have been allowed to list names at Afternic for a while, but the question is if this will be discontinued now.

 

[BuyWholesaleDomains]

Why would I continue sending “MY” #Domains’ traffic to companies that just increased the commission rate by 66% (9%-15%)?

I’m fine listing & paying more if they sell from “THEIR” traffic. But it makes no sense to pay extra for sales from my own traffic. Time to change landers!

If nothing else comes out by Feb 1st I’m probably switching to Efty or doing my own landers.

SquadHelp’s white label isn’t a bad option either (7.5%). I just got turned off by SH with their “captivity” charging extra Commission on sales made at other marketplaces for domains you have as SH Premium.

It would be a great time for someone else to enter the market and disrupt with a flat rate plan that had a lot of domain friendly tools.

 

[twiki]

please tell me more about a cloudflare issue

DaaZ - again I liked it (minor interface issues but anyway).

The bad thing is, due to Cloudflare protection upfront, it takes up to 10 seconds for any visitor to actually land there while Cloudflare is "checking". Enough time for the visitor to give up. Also in some cases it might even block you for apparently no reason.

I'm not sure why they do this instead of choosing a DDoS protected provider such as OVH for example that doesn't jack up pricing for that (it's included).

 

[karmaco]

If you ever need a laugh go read some of the 1 and 2 star reviews of GD on Trust Pilot. People here have been holding DAN Team to the fire for any tiny nit picky thing for years but nobody holds GD responsible for anything. They are not as popular as you think.

 

[Sperry8]

BrandBucket sellers have been allowed to list names at Afternic for a while, but the question is if this will be discontinued now.

Not sure where you get this info from: On their website it states https://www.brandbucket.com/help/faq/sellers#can_i_list_the_domain_for_sale_elsewhere

"Can I list the domain for sale elsewhere?

The short answer is no. By accepting to list your name at BrandBucket, you agree to contract BrandBucket as the exclusive seller for the duration that this domain name is listed on the marketplace and listing the domain for sale elsewhere violates our agreement.

But though we require exclusivity in listing domains for sale, we promote your names on third-party sites and cross-promote within BrandBucket's website"

 

[Embrand]

Not sure where you get this info from: On their website it states https://www.brandbucket.com/help/faq/sellers#can_i_list_the_domain_for_sale_elsewhere

"Can I list the domain for sale elsewhere?

The short answer is no. By accepting to list your name at BrandBucket, you agree to contract BrandBucket as the exclusive seller for the duration that this domain name is listed on the marketplace and listing the domain for sale elsewhere violates our agreement.

But though we require exclusivity in listing domains for sale, we promote your names on third-party sites and cross-promote within BrandBucket's website"

It is in your Account Settings:

Note: Afternic listings require that you have your own Afternic account. An Afternic-formatted CSV file can be downloaded from your Published Domains tab.
Any sales that happen on Afternic must be reported to BrandBucket via the "Report Off-Market Sale" link in the domain control panel.

 

[Centauri]

22 pages in 3 days...

the house is on fire I'd say.

 

[Traderas]

These are the daily stats for today, 6/1/23

Name server	Total Change	% Change	New Domains	Transfers In	Transfers Out	Deleted	Current Total
BODIS.COM	-40,141	-2.92%	1,126	3,192	-42,790	-1,669	1,375,156
DAN.COM	30,706	1.28%	1,228	38,120	-8,059	-583	2,403,642

The biggest NS movement of the day was portfolio holding 29,755 domains that moved from Bodis to DAN.

https://dailychanges.domaintools.com/top-movements/

So the migration towards the monopoly has started...

 

[Dane]

Anyone here understand the difference between having names on Afternic vs having names on Dan and then flipping the switch to be part of the Afternic distribution network? I already have an existing account on Afternic. When I log into my Dan account it asks me if I want to join the Afternic Distribution Network. What happens in this case? Which one takes precedence? What's the difference between using one or the other -- or using both at the same time? Anyone have any of these answers? Thanks!

 

[NickB]

Anyone here understand the difference between having names on Afternic vs having names on Dan and then flipping the switch to be part of the Afternic distribution network? I already have an existing account on Afternic. When I log into my Dan account it asks me if I want to join the Afternic Distribution Network. What happens in this case? Which one takes precedence? What's the difference between using one or the other -- or using both at the same time? Anyone have any of these answers? Thanks!

If they type your domain into the URL bar and arrive at your landing page it will be via DAN, if someone searches for your domain via Afternics network it will be via that path - covers both sides of the coin

 

[karmaco]

Anyone here understand the difference between having names on Afternic vs having names on Dan and then flipping the switch to be part of the Afternic distribution network? I already have an existing account on Afternic. When I log into my Dan account it asks me if I want to join the Afternic Distribution Network. What happens in this case? Which one takes precedence? What's the difference between using one or the other -- or using both at the same time? Anyone have any of these answers? Thanks!

If you allready have your Afternic account you don’t enable it on DAN. You can even remove the unnecessary columns under change view. This feature is for users who are not allready on Afternic.

 

[Dane]

If they type your domain into the URL bar and arrive at your landing page it will be via DAN, if someone searches for your domain via Afternics network it will be via that path - covers both sides of the coin

Yeah, I get that. But I'm referring to the back end of things. Let's say we have an account with Dan and also have an account with Afternic. Same names in both accounts. If we "turn on" the Afternic Distribution Network from within our Dan account, does it turn off the Afternic account? What if names are priced differently between Dan and Afternic? Which one takes precedence? Which price is displayed throughout the "network"?

 

[Dane]

Actually, let me ask this a different way...

I have different pricing for Dan listings than for Afternic listings due to the difference in commission. Now that the commission will be the same, the pricing can be the same as well. What's the easiest way to achieve this? Should I kill the Afternic account and just do everything through Dan? Or will turning on Afternic from within Dan automatically kill the Afternic account? I'm just not sure the best way to do this. I hope this makes sense.

 

[domaindevil]

These are the daily stats for today, 6/1/23

Name server	Total Change	% Change	New Domains	Transfers In	Transfers Out	Deleted	Current Total
BODIS.COM	-40,141	-2.92%	1,126	3,192	-42,790	-1,669	1,375,156
DAN.COM	30,706	1.28%	1,228	38,120	-8,059	-583	2,403,642

The biggest NS movement of the day was portfolio holding 29,755 domains that moved from Bodis to DAN.

https://dailychanges.domaintools.com/top-movements/

So the migration towards the monopoly has started...

Despicable.