new gtlds Everyone saying to not invest in gTLD

[Steger13]

I was lookong at other gTLD and ccLD to see if i could get any one words L, LL, LLL, LLLL of anything and its all taken! every where in all the gtld and cctld. So why everyone on the interenet sais to not invest in those? Everyone already invested there. I dont get it?

 

[dordomai]

If your company worths more than 500 Billion Dollars, than he might have a chanse to spend 6 figures a day for advertising.
I don`t see any big player when I search used cars in google. Just 2 ads where the one has a different target market, 100% irrelevant.

cars.com also in the front page but they are listed 3rd. First comes as autotrader.

Now you see its all about marketing and online marketing is something totally different.

About the news for cars.com, I don`t buy it. It is just another tool for advertising their company and website for free.

Billion dollar sale is just a joke but you guys buy it IMO

didn't say a single player spends 6 figures a day. I meant the total ad spend around that keyword phrase is 6 figures a day. Top PPC or organic rankings around that keyword are worth millions each month.

use google adwords or semrush

https://www.semrush.com/info/used cars

https://www.semrush.com/info/www.cargurus.com one advertiser (spending millions a month)

 

[offthehandle]

 

[Kate]

DomainKing loses 500k in nGTLDs:

LOL... has he ever made money on domains that are not dotcom ? After his .mobi stunt I am sure he's not surprised he lost his gamble.

 

[kriss05]

Anyone please let us know which .whatevers he registered?

Would be very interesting to see.

 

[offthehandle]

OP As far as I have seen, The registries themselves are the primary holders of the valuable one word valuable gTlds. Look at the latest release of .Fun and .ART, nothing left for investment domainers. Look at all the Uniregistry extensions. Premium prices for all their premium chosen names or ones they moved off to the Northsound portfolio collection they own as a separate company, look at all of the indecisive or high renewal prices, Godaddy dropping them, etc. this instability isn't good for nGtld's. This market is unstable as an early poster mention pink sheets stocks or penny stocks. Very high risk investment. The argument made defending the new gTld's on the video was that the younger generation will accept them. I just saw a younger small transport company drop 6 generic and great .com and .net domains, and now only have a linked-in page instead. Like Facebook pages I assume no hacking or web designers needed. The new yellow pages are linked-in, I guess. Branded small Startups continue to want .Com. Large corps with large budgets pointing a nGtld to resolve at a .Com is a perfect example of why .Com.

But .com will be around while the other new ones might go bankrupt in a few more years. .net, .org, .us, .biz, are also rans as it is. .vip, .club, .guitars, .tattoo, .web, = .Confusion

 

[Brands.International]

Nobody promised domainers life will be easy with new gTLDs

 

[Rhythm8]

it is a rule of thumb not a serious valuation of course but there is a lot of truth in that. a .com will usually be worth only a fraction of a .ngtld for various and obvious reasons. It is a conservative guess. A single example does neither prove nor disprove this.

One should never overpay and pay close for what the ..ngtld would be worth, you will be losing money.

end-users usually aren't stupid and will be conservative in their spending as well. don't expect them to pay close to what the .ngtld would be worth.

 

[Rhythm8]

DomainKing loses 500k in nGTLDs:

maybe he should abdicate if he's that crap a domainer

 

[Alex Domain]

I'm not sure there's a lot making serious profit.

I remember this one thread started by somebody to hype their new gtld sales. This was the title of the thread:

Just Broke $25K of gTLD Domain Sales in less than 12 months

here are some of the first responses:

Congrats on your sales !

Nice sales.

Impressive sales, congrats!

until I pointed out - "$45,000 to make $25,000 is - $20,000."

Yes, sold $25,000, but spent $45,000

The thread starter hasn't been seen here in the last 3 months - https://www.namepros.com/threads/just-broke-25k-of-gtld-domain-sales-in-less-than-12-months.943015/

I'm just not aware of too many NP members really doing good with these.

Except you're forgetting this guy still has much more inventory remaining to sell (from the initial 45k spent)....Its not a loss (or -20k) you're just speaking too soon. 25k is damn good for first 12 months. If Boeing spent 1 billion dollars on a new airplane facility and didn't pay it back in 12 months - would you consider it a bad investment? Seems like your making some rash judgements without understanding the game..

Porno.com is 'obviously' a very valuable domain today - but I have a feeling there was someone like you in 1997 telling Rick Shwartz not to waste his 45k on it. 20 years later Rick makes almost 9million re-selling it.

I have personally received over 350 enquiries to sell 1 domain.. but i refuse. At first glance, one would think I've lost money on that investment. But actually only looks that way to the outsider looking in, who doesnt realize im holding out for my magic number.

If you want to buy today and sell tomorrow - SURE spend 1-20k on a liquid .COM and flip it. But thats NOT the main reason most ngtld investors are investing in new gtld.

Between all the shit-talking on new GTLDs and the big price tags we've seen so far on some new gtld sales ... it looks like the 90s are ready to repeat itself..

 

[dordomai]

Except you're forgetting this guy still has much more inventory remaining to sell (from the initial 45k spent)....Its not a loss (or -20k) you're just speaking too soon. 25k is damn good for first 12 months.

what about renewal fees?

 

[Rhythm8]

what about renewal fees?

you mean like $100 p.a. .com domain names in the late 90s?

 

[Bram C.]

you mean like $100 p.a. .com domain names in the late 90s?

Back then Network Solutions charged $100 for 2 years of renewal (so $50 per year). It was the only registrar at the time so they could charge whatever they wanted with zero competition.

This is what Network solutions charges today:
https://www.networksolutions.com/domain-name-registration/PS-domains.jsp

So they went from $50 per year for a .com to $35 per year for a .com over the course of decades. Obviously a registrar domainers like to avoid. Luckily we have tons of choices nowadays for cheap .com renewals. But for a lot of the new gTLDs renewal prices are insane across the board and there are no cheap alternatives.

 

[Rhythm8]

then how am I registering [keyword].gtlds for < $10, $20, $50 p.a. ?

 

[Bram C.]

then how am I registering [keyword].gtlds for <$50 p.a. ?

Just because some of the new gTLDs renew for under $50/year doesn't change the fact that a lot renew for a lot more.

Besides, the average .com renewal fee is around $10. Please list your [keyword].gtlds that renew for $10 or less. Don't be stuck in 1990.

 

[dordomai]

then how am I registering [keyword].gtlds for < $10, $20, $50 p.a. ?

crap is cheaper. good words cost more usually.

 

[Rhythm8]

crap is cheaper. good words cost more usually.

so you agree all .coms are crap with their cheap renewals

 

[dordomai]

so you agree all .coms are crap with their cheap renewals

no .coms are all the same. Even z.com

Good nGTLDs are usually premium, crap(the registry believes it is not even worth putting a premium on them) is regfee.

 

[Rhythm8]

i guess if some domainers like dordomai aren't equipped with a sizeable vocabulary then they should probably stick to overpaying for ugly crap .com they can afford to renew as apparently domaining isn't there forte

or they can just keep spamming their desperate comments to keep their .commie cartel pyramid scheme afloat due to vested interests in .com

 

[dordomai]

i guess if some domainers like dordomai aren't equipped with a sizeable vocabulary...

In domaining it is better to have limited vocabulary, buying obscure words does not help anyone.

If you like doing that you can buy cacophony.beer for $96/year. Dictionary word bargain ahead.

Shows how ridiculous the pricing structure really is and it will get much worse than that in the future.

 

[Bram C.]

or they can just keep spamming their desperate comments to keep their .commie cartel pyramid scheme afloat due to vested interests in .com

I think it's clear where your vested interest lies.

 

[frank-germany]

Back then Network Solutions charged $100 for 2 years of renewal (so $50 per year).

$140 usd

 

[Brands.International]

Except you're forgetting this guy still has much more inventory remaining to sell (from the initial 45k spent)....Its not a loss (or -20k) you're just speaking too soon. 25k is damn good for first 12 months. If Boeing spent 1 billion dollars on a new airplane facility and didn't pay it back in 12 months - would you consider it a bad investment? Seems like your making some rash judgements without understanding the game..

Porno.com is 'obviously' a very valuable domain today - but I have a feeling there was someone like you in 1997 telling Rick Shwartz not to waste his 45k on it. 20 years later Rick makes almost 9million re-selling it.

I have personally received over 350 enquiries to sell 1 domain.. but i refuse. At first glance, one would think I've lost money on that investment. But actually only looks that way to the outsider looking in, who doesnt realize im holding out for my magic number.

If you want to buy today and sell tomorrow - SURE spend 1-20k on a liquid .COM and flip it. But thats NOT the main reason most ngtld investors are investing in new gtld.

Between all the sh*t-talking on new GTLDs and the big price tags we've seen so far on some new gtld sales ... it looks like the 90s are ready to repeat itself..

This is very reasonable and logical opinion - I just can not understand why some people simply can not get it - they think they will buy new gTLD name for USD 20, and they will flip it overnight for 20k - and if not,we have HUGE disappointment

 

[frank-germany]

Between all the sh*t-talking on new GTLDs and the big price tags we've seen so far on some new gtld sales ... it looks like the 90s are ready to repeat itself..

if it only was so easy
history never repeats itself

 

[Alex Domain]

if it only was so easy
history never repeats itself

"BE FEARFUL WHEN OTHERS ARE GREEDY, AND BE GREEDY WHEN OTHERS ARE FEARFUL"
-Warren Buffet

 

[Alex Domain]

if it only was so easy
history never repeats itself

I am a commodity trader by profession - please don't tell me history does not repeat itself.... this is a joke.