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This thread was created to bring a local new story to light, which can be viewed below:

JACKSON, Ohio (AP) — An Ohio school district decided Tuesday night to keep a portrait of Jesus hanging in the school where it's been 65 years, denying a federal lawsuit's claim the portrait's display unconstitutionally promotes religion in a public school.

The Jackson City Schools board offered a constitutional justification of its own in voting 4-0 to keep the portrait up in its middle school, saying it must protect students' free speech rights. The vote drew cheers and applause from the dozens of people gathered in the elementary school gymnasium.

Read all of it here: http://news.yahoo.com/ohio-school-b...xzBHB0A3N0b3J5cGFnZQR0ZXN0A1Rlc3RfQUZD;_ylv=3

I posted his here @ NP to see what ppl had to say on the issue. As it turns out, this sparked many debates. I've considered closing this thread but after multiple suggestions, I decided to keep it open. Feel free to join in the topics but per forum rules, please refrain from obscene, threatening, rude, or insulting posts.
 
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And if you are happy with that...then i have nothing more to say to you. The conclusion is painfull. Your children surely are not Christians (which I guess is a great news for you), but worst - they are also dumb.

The conclusion is reality if you actually took the time to research things.

My children will grow up with the awareness that people all have different views on things like religion. I trust that their exposure to religion won't be at the hands of the public school system but rather through friends/family.

I could shelter them from the realities of life and teach them that they'll walk on streets of gold someday but that would be irresponsible on my part. Now, why do you say they are dumb? Sounds just like a Christian when someone disagrees with their view!
 
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Now, why do you say they are dumb? Sounds just like a Christian when someone disagrees with their view!

There are tons of examples:

Dumb As A Rock: You Will Be Absolutely Amazed At The Things That U.S. High School Students Do Not Know
http://endoftheamericandream.com/ar...ngs-that-u-s-high-school-students-do-not-know

Or how about this Classic Video?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=MHtDF-z77wk#!

The Video below is a must see.
Charlotte Iserbyt is the consummate whistleblower! Iserbyt served as Senior Policy Advisor in the Office of Educational Research and Improvement (OERI), U.S. Department of Education, during the first Reagan Administration, where she first blew the whistle on a major technology initiative which would control curriculum in America's classrooms.

As Iserbyt points out, in the 1960’s "American education would henceforth concern itself with the importance of the group rather than with the importance of the individual. "The purpose of education would shift to focus on the student’s emotional health, rather than academic learning. Remember the 1960’s? Sex, drugs and rock’n roll? Drop out, tune in, and turn on? Just about everything that is wrong with America today had its genesis in this pathetic decade of youthful self-indulgence."

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDyDtYy2I0M&feature=player_embedded"]Charlotte Iserbyt - Deliberate Dumbing Down of the World - YouTube[/ame]
 
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There are tons of examples:

Dumb As A Rock: You Will Be Absolutely Amazed At The Things That U.S. High School Students Do Not Know
http://endoftheamericandream.com/ar...ngs-that-u-s-high-school-students-do-not-know

Or how about this Classic Video?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=MHtDF-z77wk#!

The Video below is a must see.
Charlotte Iserbyt is the consummate whistleblower! Iserbyt served as Senior Policy Advisor in the Office of Educational Research and Improvement (OERI), U.S. Department of Education, during the first Reagan Administration, where she first blew the whistle on a major technology initiative which would control curriculum in America's classrooms.

As Iserbyt points out, in the 1960’s "American education would henceforth concern itself with the importance of the group rather than with the importance of the individual. "The purpose of education would shift to focus on the student’s emotional health, rather than academic learning. Remember the 1960’s? Sex, drugs and rock’n roll? Drop out, tune in, and turn on? Just about everything that is wrong with America today had its genesis in this pathetic decade of youthful self-indulgence."

Charlotte Iserbyt - Deliberate Dumbing Down of the World - YouTube

So these kids would be magically smart if there was a picture of Jesus hanging around in school? The stuff you post sometimes is just so ridiculous. Breaking news, you can find dumb kids everywhere on this planet, regardless of country, religion etc. And you could easily make a video of the opposite. I just happened to catch a show Jeopardy Teen Tournament the other day and those kids are smarter than most adults

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvU_uJkOHH0"]Jeopardy! - The Exciting (And Amusing) Teen Tournament Conclusion (Feb. 12, 2013) - YouTube[/ame]

And as far as intelligence, non-religious people score a little better than religious people. There are studies out there:

"atheists scored an average of 1.95 IQ points higher than agnostics, 3.82 points higher than liberal persuasions, and 5.89 IQ points higher than dogmatic persuasions."
 
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The stuff you post sometimes is just so ridiculous. Breaking news, you can find dumb kids everywhere on this planet, regardless of country, religion etc. And you could easily make a video of the opposite. I just happened to catch a show Jeopardy Teen Tournament the other day and those kids are smarter than most adults

And as far as intelligence, non-religious people score a little better than religious people. There are studies out there:

"atheists scored an average of 1.95 IQ points higher than agnostics, 3.82 points higher than liberal persuasions, and 5.89 IQ points higher than dogmatic persuasions."

Good to see those smart kids on the video even though I didn't think the questions were that tough. I'll bet they don't go to Public School.

As for the IQ stats you show, this study is made by a former Danish Professor called Helmuth Sørensen Nyborg who is extremely controversial. In that study, whats the IQ of Christians, the IQ of Muslims. of Sikhs, of Hindus or Buddhists?

Anyone that doesn't think like JB Lions is branded as weird, ridiculous, backward, redneck, stuck in the 50's etc.

You really think that you are superior to others don't you?

I’m proud to be a politically incorrect individual, who thinks for himself, using a lot of common sense to distinguish right from wrong, contrary to so many brainwashed “follow the herd Liberal mentality” like yourself or others that are so abundant in this forum.

Liberals talk of democracy but don’t practice it, except when it's convenient for their cause. Take as an example Proposition 8 in California a couple of years ago. The people voted against Gay Marriage, but then a judge comes along and rejects the popular vote. This is not democracy, this is bullshit.

But in a few years California will be majority Hispanic (if it isn’t already) and we all know that the majority of Hispanics and blacks are against gay marriage, so I’m sure they will have another referendum there.

More about Helmuth Sørensen Nyborg

Helmuth Sørensen Nyborg (born 5 January 1937) is a former professor of developmental psychology at Aarhus University, Denmark. His main research topic is the connection between hormones and intelligence. Among other things, he has worked on increasing the intelligence of girls with Turner's syndrome by giving them estrogen. His research has been widely criticized, and in 2007, after having been accused of scientific misconduct, he received a warning from Aarhus University for producing research of unacceptably low quality. In 2007 he retired.

Nyborg is a controversial figure among the Danish public for his research on topics such as the inheritance of intelligence and the relationship between sex and intelligence. His article in Personality and Individual Differences (PAID), in which he reports a 5-point average IQ difference in favour of men, has led to strong reactions in the Danish public and academia, for example in an editorial by the Danish newspaper Politiken.

A recent article proposing that migration from third world countries to Denmark would cause a dysgenic effect on the country's average IQ over time, has led to Nyborg being indicted to the Danish Council for Scientific Misconduct a second time, accused of committing scientific fraud by using statistic models of population growth known to be erroneous and for not properly attributing the source of the model.

Nyborg has also made controversial statements regarding religious beliefs and ethnicity in relation to intelligence. He has argued that white people tend to be more intelligent than blacks and that atheists tend to be more intelligent than religious people.

On May 28–29, 2011, Nyborg was a keynote speaker at the seminar "Revolt against Civilization" staged by the holocaust denial organization "Dansk Selskab for Fri Historisk Forskning" ("Danish Society for Free Historical Research")
 
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"You really think that you are superior to others don't you?"

I've actually never said that, but you mention it a lot, so it's what you must be thinking. No, I don't think that, unless you're a closed minded type, then I do.

"I’m proud to be a politically incorrect individual, who thinks for himself, using a lot of common sense to distinguish right from wrong, contrary to so many brainwashed “follow the herd Liberal mentality” like yourself or others that are so abundant in this forum."

But you're not tho. You have a very programmed and conditioned mind, just repeating what you've been taught all your life. Your posts have shown that you're very close minded, and sometimes leaned to racist, homophobia, fear etc.

There have been plenty of times I've asked you simple questions and you duck them. We can take a couple of things that have been mentioned in this thread.

Religiously neutral vs. favoring one religion over the other. You pick the latter. Correct me if I'm wrong and you actually agree with me.

Gay marriage got brought up again. I asked you in the other thread, how did legalizing it in your country affect you? It hasn't and you can't admit you were wrong. You and some others act like that it would bring down your country and other fearful, ridiculous thoughts.

"weird, ridiculous, backward, redneck, stuck in the 50's etc."

Yes, I do point it out. If you have a problem with it, then evolve, don't be so overly sensitive, or use the Ignore feature this forum comes equipped with.

And yes, your views on something like gay marriage, which doesn't affect you, none of your business, is stuck in the 50's, backwards.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8JsRx2lois"]OFFICIAL Preacher Phil Snider gives interesting gay rights speech - YouTube[/ame]

Free mind, open mind is superior to a closed mind.
 
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Once again, there comes a time when someone goes too far. Insulting the children of members is way over the line.
 
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Free mind, open mind is superior to a closed mind.

You mean SUPERIOR like Don Savage, the super intolerant Gay activist. He must be a role model for you, right?

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ao0k9qDsOvs"]Dan Savage discusses bible at High School Journalism convention - YouTube[/ame]
 
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I've actually never heard of the guy before that video was posted before. You could argue it was an inappropriate venue but what part of what he was saying Gilsan was wrong, be specific in your next post. Those things are in the bible. People have used the bible for good things and all sorts of bad and hateful things. And an open mind is still superior to a closed one. That doesn't change with you posting random YouTube videos. Would me posting some random Westboro Baptist Church videos prove anything?
 
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You mean SUPERIOR like Don Savage, the super intolerant Gay activist. He must be a role model for you, right?

Dan Savage discusses bible at High School Journalism convention - YouTube

What in that video was intolerant?
What is he intolerant of? He's intolerant of people who cheat on their partner. He's intolerant of gay bashing. He's intolerant of bullying. He's intolerant of a lack of respect.

He founded "It gets better" whose sole purpose is to allow people to understand that LGBT can be accepted and be creative, hard working, respected and a positive part of the community. It seems awful to me that this would even need to be something that a person needs to be reminded of. Kids and school are cruel to anyone not in the main: fat, ugly, too clever, too dumb, black, LGBT or whatever. Trying to make the future seem better, trying to change that future? That's not a bad thing is it?

Where's the intolerance?

The only thing he did was call some students "pansy assed" which in another thread I already pointed out he apologized for.

He's never claimed to be tactful.
 
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I've actually never heard of the guy before that video was posted before. You could argue it was an inappropriate venue but what part of what he was saying Gilsan was wrong, be specific in your next post. Those things are in the bible. People have used the bible for good things and all sorts of bad and hateful things. And an open mind is still superior to a closed one. That doesn't change with you posting random YouTube videos. Would me posting some random Westboro Baptist Church videos prove anything?
Hey I have no problem with people posting Videos. The only thing I don't care much is having to watch very long videos.

One third of the worlds population eats with fork & knife, one third with chopsticks and one third with their hands. Who's method is superior, and why?

You keep saying that I don't answer your question. If I don't it's not because of the question itself, but the way you ask it and how you phrase it.

Sort of like if I were to ask you; "Are you still beating your wife?" and wanting a simple yes or no answer
 
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Actually, I like answers better than a yes or no, with some reason behind it.

Me asking you about gay marriage and it being legalized in Portugal, wasn't a yes or no question, it couldn't be answered like that. You have problems with it, you're against it. I said it would have no affect on your life. So if it has, tell me. How has it affected your country, how has it affected your daily life? That's a basic question, what other way is there to phrase it? So don't use that as an excuse to avoid it.

As far as the eating question, you use whatever method you like the best. Some food, I used a fork and knife. When I eat pizza, I use my hands, others use utensils. I would say the superior method is whatever's easier for you and whatever's easier is going to be different for each person.
 
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What in that video was intolerant?
Kids and school are cruel to anyone not in the main: fat, ugly, too clever, too dumb, black, LGBT or whatever. Trying to make the future seem better, trying to change that future? That's not a bad thing is it?

Where's the intolerance?

The only thing he did was call some students "pansy assed" which in another thread I already pointed out he apologized for.

He's never claimed to be tactful.
When he says that the bible is "Bullshit" he immediately bullied and antagonized a lot of people not only in that room but all over.

I'll bet he would never have the courage to criticize Islam, which has zero tolerance towards gays.
 
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When he says that the bible is "Bullshit" he immediately bullied and antagonized a lot of people not only in that room but all over.

I'll bet he would never have the courage to criticize Islam, which has zero tolerance towards gays.

I'm not going to speculate on what he does and doesn't have the courage to do.

But what did he say that was intolerant?

But here, again, is the statement he made. Try to understand it this time. If you don't I can always make the text bigger or spread it out so you have to read it slower.

“I didn’t call anyone’s religion bullshit. I did say that there is bullshit—”untrue words or ideas“—in the Bible. That is being spun as an attack on Christianity. Which is bullshhh… which is untrue. I was not attacking the faith in which I was raised. I was attacking the argument that gay people must be discriminated against—and anti-bullying programs that address anti-gay bullying should be blocked (or exceptions should be made for bullying “motivated by faith”)—because it says right there in the Bible that being gay is wrong. Yet the same people who make that claim choose to ignore what the Bible has to say about a great deal else. I did not attack Christianity. I attacked hypocrisy. My remarks can only be read as an attack on all Christians if you believe that all Christians are hypocrites. Which I don’t believe.”
 
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Me asking you about gay marriage and it being legalized in Portugal, wasn't a yes or no question, it couldn't be answered like that. You have problems with it, you're against it. I said it would have no affect on your life. So if it has, tell me. How has it affected your country, how has it affected your daily life? That's a basic question, what other way is there to phrase it? So don't use that as an excuse to avoid it.

My position about gay marriage is very simple; I don' agree with it, but I have NO problem whatsoever in them having all the rights afforded every citizen in a Civil Union except for adopting children.

This answer I had given before in another thread last year, which you obviously did not remember.

The Portuguese Parliament which at the time was majority Socialist and left wing voted to legalize Gay Marriage. They refused to have a referendum about it because they knew they would lose, like in California. I and millions never had a chance to give my opinion or vote on that matter.

The word "Marriage" is between man and women. Gays can look for a different name to call their unions. When they are able to reproduce then I will accept it as a marriage.

If that's being backward and stuck in the 50's then I'm happy with myself. At least I think for myself. I'm not part of the brainwashed Liberal sheeple who think exactly the same way and who think they are superior to others.
 
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So sex is the first thing you think about with this. First, what people do is none of your business. And using your reasoning, I guess you're against oral sex as well, since I've never heard of anybody getting pregnant that way either.

Yes when I'm thinking about the gays, first I'm thinking about sex. You?
And you're correct, it's non of my business till the moment my kids would see them for example kissing on the street, or till the moment they would learn at school that it's okay practice to be a gay. I don't want such moments happen.

As for the oral sex, first of all thanks for the question. But I guess it's not the right place and I guess you're not the right person to talk about it.
 
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I'm not going to speculate on what he does and doesn't have the courage to do.

But what did he say that was intolerant?

But here, again, is the statement he made. Try to understand it this time. If you don't I can always make the text bigger or spread it out so you have to read it slower.
It's the way he rubbed it in as those students walked out silently in protest. He didn't need to rub it in the way he did it in that arrogant way. But then again all the students that didn't walk away were applauding him, so that gave him even more strength to carry on and rub it in even more, which only shows how much today's youngsters have been brainwashed.

His apology was probably to do some damage repair and smells like it was insincere.
 
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The word "Marriage" is between man and women. Gays can look for a different name to call their unions. When they are able to reproduce then I will accept it as a marriage.

If that's being backward and stuck in the 50's then I'm happy with myself. At least I think for myself. I'm not part of the brainwashed Liberal sheeple who think exactly the same way and who think they are superior to others.

Yes, you are stuck in the 50's. That might be your definition of marriage but not everybody's. And again, completely none of your business if somebody wants to get married and to this day, you've yet to explain how it would affect anything, because it doesn't.

And using your reasoning, people that can't have children, straight couples, shouldn't be allowed to be married.
 
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Yes when I'm thinking about the gays, first I'm thinking about sex. You?

What's the first thing you think about here?

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There are other bonds and other things important in a relationship.
 
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Yes when I'm thinking about the gays, first I'm thinking about sex. You?
And you're correct, it's non of my business till the moment my kids would see them for example kissing on the street, or till the moment they would learn at school that it's okay practice to be a gay. I don't want such moments happen.

As for the oral sex, first of all thanks for the question. But I guess it's not the right place and I guess you're not the right person to talk about it.

Oh brother. You don't need to be married to kiss in the street. And I feel sorry for your kids, hopefully they grow up and develop a mind of their own and not pass along the prejudices you're trying to instill in them. You do understand your kids will eventually have to go out in the real world and omg, they might see 2 women kissing. The horror.

I'm wondering what you tell them if they see that? Some hateful stuff?

It's funny people worrying about gay couples raising kids, when they'll probably be the most tolerant compared to some people in this thread, raising intolerant and hateful children.
 
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Oh brother. You don't need to be married to kiss in the street. And I feel sorry for your kids, hopefully they grow up and develop a mind of their own and not pass along the prejudices you're trying to instill in them. You do understand your kids will eventually have to go out in the real world and omg, they might see 2 women kissing. The horror.

I think the true shock will come with the realization that sexual identity is not hereditary.

Two very straight, very religious, very anti-gay people could have a child who is a gay man or a lesbian.
As the intolerant guy said.. Mary Cheney, she hasn't been stoned to death yet.
 
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Yes, you are stuck in the 50's. That might be your definition of marriage but not everybody's. And again, completely none of your business if somebody wants to get married and to this day, you've yet to explain how it would affect anything, because it doesn't.

And using your reasoning, people that can't have children, straight couples, shouldn't be allowed to be married.
Not only it is my definition, it's the majority's definition, so you are in the minority. You're entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine, but the minute you think you are superior to me then we have an eternal war going on
 
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Not only it is my definition, it's the majority's definition, so you are in the minority. You're entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine, but the minute you think you are superior to me then we have an eternal war going on

It isn't in this country anymore. Maybe it is in some of the backwards countries you still might be living in. Well, Portugal seems to have moved beyond Gilsan, who is stuck in old world thinking. Still haven't heard any good reasons from you. The only thing I've ever heard is downfall of society, country nonsense. If you're in a country that fears Mary and Susan getting married, it's just a weak ass country**. And that is weak minded thinking, so it can't be superior. And you guys are a dying breed, at least in this country, as we slowly progress.

**Instead of going to war, drones, spies etc. maybe the United States just should have sent in a bunch of lesbians to infiltrate your country, since according to some of you guys, it would bring your nation down.
 
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Just going by how this thread is going, it's pretty easy to see why religion is the basis of so much intolerance and bloodshed.

I enjoy a spirited conversation as much as anyone, but I fear this thread is quickly degenerating into its own type of violence of which no good shall come.

I vote to close this thread.
 
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"I vote to close this thread."

You can just not read the thread. If posts are happening in threads, that shows interest. There are plenty of threads I have no interest in. I don't read them, I don't post in them. It works. Plus, Archangel started the thread, if anybody had a say in closing it, it would be him. And these conversations happen in other threads already.
 
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It isn't in this country anymore. Maybe it is in some of the backwards countries you still might be living in. Well, Portugal seems to have moved beyond Gilsan, who is stuck in old world thinking. Still haven't heard any good reasons from you. The only thing I've ever heard is downfall of society, country nonsense. If you're in a country that fears Mary and Susan getting married, it's just a weak ass country**. And that is weak minded thinking, so it can't be superior. And you guys are a dying breed, at least in this country, as we slowly progress.

**Instead of going to war, drones, spies etc. maybe the United States just should have sent in a bunch of lesbians to infiltrate your country, since according to some of you guys, it would bring your nation down.
So that's your secret wish... send some lesbies over to bring my country down for disagreeing with you!

Your posts show that Liberals like yourself are only TOLERANT as long as others agree with you. That will NEVER happen from me because I've never been brainwashed by anyone.

Neither will you ever be able to change my moderate beliefs by calling me backward, bigoted, homophobic or racist etc.

You are the true example of a brainwashed Liberal bigot because you are intolerant to other people's point's of view.

Here's an interesting article:

It isn't those who oppose gay marriage who are the bigots - it is the liberals who demonize them

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-marriage-bigots--liberals-demonise-them.html
 
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