Wrong way. It's better to teach religion than this - "Schools could be made to teach pupils about gay marriage once it is passed into law"
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I can't imagine that something like this happened in a Islamic country.
Wrong way.
The teaching about gay marriage is perfectly okay in my eyes. Preaching an opinion is wrong but teaching it isnโt bad. Is teaching about how the ignorant white ppl of earlier times idiotically claimed โownerageโ of blacks improper? No, itโs teaching is about the history (and ignorance) of our ancestors. Read the below comment for a better view of this.
You can teach religious studies without instilling religion. It's just like you can learn French without changing nationality.
You seem to think that all teaching of religion instills belief (maybe I'm wrong) but it needs more than just social interaction.
If people studied the dynamics of religion Americans would have more of an understanding of why things are different in the Ukraine or Portugal than they are in Canada or the US and vice versa.
Helps to bridge the gap a little.
In other words:
Catholicism is the .com of religions. Church of England is the co.uk and the American Evangelicals are the .me. The world is trying to establish the equivalence of the new gTLDs which run the gamut.
If this was simply about a painting hung in a school it would have no implications outside of the school. But yet here we are.
This is one of those rare DU posts I agree with. Christians are Christians but some are more feverish about it. Though some would be open-minded (like I am), youโll have those close-minded Christians preaching and stopping short of an exorcism to create followers. These close-minded Christians are like horny teenage boys: Give them a little and theyโll want more. If a girl says โWe can kiss but thatโs it,โ the closed-minded โteenage boysโ will try to force themselves onto the girl. Otherwise: people donโt know their limits. There is, after all, a difference between telling ppl the story of Christ and preaching about how He loves everyone & how โgays will burn in hell so donโt ever turn gayโ etc. like diehard Christians try to teach. Think of the teacher as a horny kid & the hot girl as he students. I wouldnโt ever want the students to be even around the horny kid, or else theyโd likely get their minds molested by the devout religious side.
BTW Itโs โsimplyโ about a painting hung in an American school. Our laws renโt identical to, say, Iran or Chile. They can treat religion however they want. I care about what happens here, not in a place thousands of miles away.
If US is not a country based on Christian values - i have nothing to say.
And, yes, you're right, I'm not in this country too.
I think Gilsan and me, we just see what's happening in the Europe for example, and looking on all of these with open eyes - this is why some posts and opinions are out of our understanding. Although can speak only for myself.
It isnโt. America was founded by them but people opened their eyes & mind to other religions throughout the 230+ years since America was founded.
You two, no offense, are not looking at this with open eyes. Iโm being an open-minded Christian, saying that people should believe as they choose. You two are basically saying โYou have to worship God. Shut up and donโt try to argue.โ There are more religions out there & Christianity has numerous denominations. Only a closed-minded person would say that ppl arenโt allowed to have opinion but simply follow the sheep. Not all are as open-minded as I am, I know. And that makes me weep a little inside.
In the end, these are public schools, full of kids with different religions and no religion at all. Should be neutral.
A person would have to be pretty stupid to think school violence would decrease from allowing God in schools. Go to a baseball game and see how it is. Most ppl will respect the other teamsโ fans but you will have a lot of bad blood flowing. Sometimes itโs reduced to name-calling on forums and others, it turns into violence. Having a large group of ppl who share different beliefs do that. School is no different. And considering how dumb kids are (in the social sense), you should expect to see a lot lot worse than your typical sports game. Iโve seen ppl bullied because they were black. Iโve seen it done to kids that were gay/lesbian. And Iโve seen it with non-Christians. Yeah, atheists get their asses kicked at school--BY CHRISTIANS! Such a boiling-pot in a public school would be madness, no matter how nicely religion was taught. The repercussion would be Pyrrhic at best. Schools being neutral of religion is the best way to be.
If you send your kids to public school, they will surely be exposed to some sort of religion through their peers. That's why I said kids at public schools can learn through "social interaction."
I completely agree with you that teachers should NOT install religious values. Kids should'nt have to stare at religious pictures while being forced to attend the public education system either.
They would, yeah, but not much. Really, kids rarely talk about religion in schools. They talk about music, movies, sex, and whatnot. There might be a public school where kids talk about their faith but those schools are microscopic in volume compared to the rest of the schools nationwide (at least the public ones). And with the minority that has kids talking about religion, well, religious teachers would more than likely simply be cheerleaders for a groupโs beliefs. Read above about the โhorny teenage boyโ thing.
First of all let me put the record straight. I lived in California for 7 years, from 1975-1982, so I'm not exactly ignorant about the country. I traveled across part of the US, visiting Nevada, Utah, Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado, Nebraska and up to Des Moines in Iowa. And because I lived in the US I have an added interest in it and what happens there.
Secondly when you say the US is not a Christian country I have to :lol:. What the hell do you call 80% Christian?
Let me tell you something, just be glad that it remains Christian for a very long time, because not every religion is as tolerant as the Christians are.
So what on earth are they teaching in Public Schools nowadays?
U.S. Public Education System FAIL!!! - YouTube
I'll bet if they asked these same kids about Video Games, movie stars, music artists, cell phones, iPads, reality shows or even the Kama Sutra these kids would answer the questions with flying colours.
I guess they have so many important other things to learn such as:
Sexual education classes at NYC public high schools and middle schools might feature some usually unmentioned lessons next year.
Among those lessons? Bestiality, anal sex, oral, sex, phone sex, porn and more,...
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/...ach-on-oral-sex-and-bestiality_n_1028670.html
And if the girls get pregnant, that's not a problem; just go to an abortion clinic and get rid of it. Can't miss out on all that kinky sex can they?
One final question: What will happen if one student objects to having to learn about, lets say; Bestiality or Porno in school. Will the courts take it off the curriculum? Will JB Lions, Archangel and others be incensed and make a big fuss about it?
Iโll give you some props for a well-thought out rely.
To answer your question: Yes, ppl will make a fuss and yes, it might be removed from teaching. That is โdemocracy.โ I could bring in a few ppl to this tread, to discuss the schools and their stance on, say, child vaccinations, but that wouldnโt be a smart idea. It would never end :p
General Rule: Public schools may not teach religion, although teaching about religion in a secular context is permitted.
One can't remove religion from schools. Why was America founded? Who was Cromwell and what was his beef? What was the holocaust about? What about the Crusades? Who was Calvin? Why was he important? Who was Luther? Henry the 8th? Discuss the growth of the Medici family without using religion?
What about China and its policies? Toward Tibet? What about Turkey and its relationship to Iraq? What about Israel? Why was it created? How? How can we discuss peace issues?
If you make no attempt to study religion then history, literary studies and the arts are a waste of time.
The constitutionalist view is archaic outdated and should have been dumped in the 18th century. America is one of the most modernized countries in the world with people that lean on the most anachronistic principles ever devised.
Rather than taking the brilliance of the founding fathers (some of them truly were) and constantly striving to improve we look back to some ancient principles as the be all end all and do nothing but stifle.
Can you imagine a 21 st century business looking at its 17th century founders for guidance?
The US needs a upgrade of its boardroom.
The US is antiquated. You know this, DU, as well as we do. Every time Uncle Sam wants to fart, he looks at our founding fathers to see if they had any advice of some sort on it. We arenโt capable of taking a step without pondering, โWhat would our forefathers do?โ Thatโs why we even have this stupid issue, to begin with.
