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This thread was created to bring a local new story to light, which can be viewed below:

JACKSON, Ohio (AP) — An Ohio school district decided Tuesday night to keep a portrait of Jesus hanging in the school where it's been 65 years, denying a federal lawsuit's claim the portrait's display unconstitutionally promotes religion in a public school.

The Jackson City Schools board offered a constitutional justification of its own in voting 4-0 to keep the portrait up in its middle school, saying it must protect students' free speech rights. The vote drew cheers and applause from the dozens of people gathered in the elementary school gymnasium.

Read all of it here: http://news.yahoo.com/ohio-school-b...xzBHB0A3N0b3J5cGFnZQR0ZXN0A1Rlc3RfQUZD;_ylv=3

I posted his here @ NP to see what ppl had to say on the issue. As it turns out, this sparked many debates. I've considered closing this thread but after multiple suggestions, I decided to keep it open. Feel free to join in the topics but per forum rules, please refrain from obscene, threatening, rude, or insulting posts.
 
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I think I need to say a few things:

1.) There is no hypocrisy with me. I do not like forcing things onto ppl. So the beliefs that I'm being a hypocrite is an insult to Christianity in as much as the assumption is being given that I should embrace brainwashing of the masses. That's not very Christian-ly (but it's certainly Republican).

2.) Jackson Ohio isn't a large place. It hadn't been reported 65 year ago because ppl her have no belief in the power of the human voice. "This is a small area, not NYC. Only event/newsworthy things happen in bigger areas & if we made a complaint, it'd have been ignored." That's how ppl here think. They had since the founding of this place. It's irrelevant that it wasn't reported earlier since no one saw anything that' come out of it--until recently.

3.) I am a Christian, yes. But I'm tired of how some Christians are. Again, a pic of Lucifer would have been removed the ay it was first hung. If ppl don't wanna believe in God, that's their life and their decision. Ramming it down someone's throat is no way to do it. God gave us a choice--to recognize Him or renounce Him. ppl, though, don't give much of an option these days. So it's no wonder so many non-believers are pissed.
 
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A person that does not defend his Christian values is not a true Christian, plain and simple.
 
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A person that does not defend his Christian values is not a true Christian, plain and simple.

Nonsense. You act like all Christians agree on everything. For example, you being homophobic are against gay marriage. Not all Christians are. And where in the Bible does it talk about pictures in schools? What Christian value are you talking about in regards to this case?

Let me ask you a simple question, Gilsan. Do you think schools should be pushing one religion over another, or should schools be a neutral place, realizing people come from different backgrounds, different faiths etc.? You don't think these Christians who were booing those who wanted it removed, would they be acting differently it there was somebody else up there besides Jesus? I guarantee you, put Muhammed up there, those Christians would lose it. Put somebody up there representing Atheism, same thing.

Schools should be neutral. Now if it was a class on religion, ok. Catholic, religious school ok.
 
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I suppose it might be best if I address a few post one-by-one. So here we go:


It should be removed IMO.

The picture clearly represents just ONE of many religious beliefs. That's not to mention those that have no religious beliefs at all. I say to the board, what about everyone else's "freedom of speech/religion?"

This country was founded on Christian principles. But we’ve also made it via the 1st Amendment to where we can worship as we please. We are not forced into any one belief. But some ppl still like to think they’re doing well by forcing religion at ppl. How is it “forced down our throats”? Just as I said: this is a country founded on Christianity. There is only 1 religion in America. Not 2 or 3--just one... at least according to the Government. I could sit here for hours typing out a loooooooong explanation but I think you’re smart enough to figure it out on your own. I blame Republicans: they’re way too into themselves.

Okay, but where was all these offended people during 65 years? :) It seems everything was okay until now.

I’ve explained this above: In this dinky city, ppl kept their mouth shut, believing they’d never be heard. That’s how small cities are. The same, more on that below.

"I'm Christian", "They should just take the stupid thing down", "retarded", "TAKE THE F***ING THING DOWN", "I'd just about walk over to the school & destroy it", "Stupid-ass school board"

Wow, you really sound like a nasty hypocrite. You say you're a Christian but you say all those nasty things. You should change your avatar's name from Archangel to Lucifer. It's more suitable to what you think.

I'll bet that if it was a picture of a Gangsta Rapper you'd have no problem at all... right?

The article said:

"The challenge to the Jesus portrait began with a Jan. 2 letter to Howard from the Freedom From Religion Foundation,"

"The board said the portrait is part of a "limited public forum," and that the Jackson schools will allow other student clubs to hang portraits appropriate to their organizations."

Good for you at the Ohio School Board. You voted 4-0 with the applause of dozens. It's called democracy

Christians are not in the stereotype that you’re implying. You believe, presumably, that all Christians have to cheer for it no matter what. There are many Christians who look passed homosexuality since it’s not them who are homosexual. Yes, some Christians will try to ‘save’ them but many ignore it. God will do as He will. We are not to judge (by doing so would be sinning, as only God can pass Holy judgment and it is reserved for He alone). Some Christians are really the fire-and-brimstone types but millions are reserved and relaxed. And I don’t think God hates those Christians (you make it seem as though He does)

Your question about the rapper makes no sense. Of course ppl wouldn’t care about a rapper. Musicians are mortal ppl who sing and entertain. They are not deities and are not worshipped (not in the sense of praise, only adulation from fans). If you have no arguments, please do not try to invent one that holds no weight and has no point of existing/no meaning.

The painting is in a public area of the school. The “applause of dozens” had been met with the jeers of several million nationwide. Before you bother trying to tell me I’m wrong, you’ve better as hell research & read. There are thousands alone in this city who are pissed & the ACLU is threatening to sue, still.

It's pretty obvious from their name what they stand for. They don't believe in God and now they try to shove their beliefs down everyone's throat and try to act as if they saved the world.

They exist to stop the Government from turning the country into sheep. Not everyone gives a damn about religion yet the Government tries to convert as many ppl as they can to religion (and mostly *gasp!* Christianity)

So if a few friends form a devil worship club, the school will hang a picture of the devil right? Hey, fair is fair!

Too bad the Government isn’t fair. It expects US to be when it wants an advantage but when push comes to shove, their opinion trumps (democracy doesn’t exist in America. That’s the illusion the non-US has about us. Everything is paid for and corrupted). They’ll allow that Lucifer painting, to shut ppl up, and then remove it a day later, claiming the painting is causing a “disruption of the educational process.” That, all you non-Americans, is how America truly is. Whatta great country!

If it was one of Muhammad, it would have been 0-4 the other way.

Should be taken down, simply because there are different religions and non-religious and this is promoting one over the others. It's a school, not a church. It would be ok in a Catholic school or something.

"The population was 6,397 at the 2010 census."

Figured. It's those lil podunk towns that are usually still trapped in the 50's. After reading the history of the town a little more, it's pretty much a Christian town, Jesus ain't going nowhere.

Bingo.

So you have a problem with "lil podunk towns" that are majority Christian?

And on top of it they are trapped in the 50's.:O How shocking D-: Wow, you really are good at analyzing a town through the internet and in just a few minutes you can tell that they are all trapped in the 50's. The MSM should hire you as an investigative reporter. :gl: They sure are in dire need of them

How evil the people from the 50's must have been. If only someone could send them on a learning vacation to big cities like Chicago, Los Angeles, Detroit, San Francisco where they can meet all those nice liberal folks, so that they can finally liberate themselves from the "Evil 50's".

Lions was pretty much spot-on. His analysis was very accurate.

Love the fake outrage from somebody living in Portugal. Yes, the towns are a lil backwards (I've seen more than a few), and the 50's weren't great for everybody in the U.S.

Again, spot-on. No offense to you, GILSAN, but this is an American matter, going by American laws. This is not relevant to you. It’s an issue of the painting being placed in an area under American jurisdiction. It’s not the mere fact that it’s a painting of Jesus--it’s the laws surrounding it.

A person that does not defend his Christian values is not a true Christian, plain and simple.

You are correct. However, it doesn’t apply to me or this thread. Again, you’re expecting ALL Christians to be of the in-your-face variety. Man, if there was only one view of Christianity, only 1 denomination would exist.

Nonsense. You act like all Christians agree on everything. For example, you being homophobic are against gay marriage. Not all Christians are. And where in the Bible does it talk about pictures in schools? What Christian value are you talking about in regards to this case?

Let me ask you a simple question, Gilsan. Do you think schools should be pushing one religion over another, or should schools be a neutral place, realizing people come from different backgrounds, different faiths etc.? You don't think these Christians who were booing those who wanted it removed, would they be acting differently it there was somebody else up there besides Jesus? I guarantee you, put Muhammed up there, those Christians would lose it. Put somebody up there representing Atheism, same thing.

Schools should be neutral. Now if it was a class on religion, ok. Catholic, religious school ok.


If you ever run for Prez, you’d have my vote.
 
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I totally agree with J.B. Lions.

Public school is no place for proselytizing for ANY religion.

My husband is Jewish (I am not), and he tells me horror stories of growing up in the 1940's and 1950's and being banned from certain beaches with friendly signs like "No Jews or Negroes Allowed."

So I can't imagine that the 40's and 50's were very embracing times for Jews and African-Americans (among other groups, I'm sure). We White, Christian folk have no idea what it's like being excluded in society.

If you want your children to have a religious education, then, by all means, send them to religious schools.

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"The board said the portrait is part of a "limited public forum," and that the Jackson schools will allow other student clubs to hang portraits appropriate to their organizations."

I bet if one of the "other organizations" had hung a portrait first they wouldn't be saying that...

Schools should be neutral. Now if it was a class on religion, ok. Catholic, religious school ok.

Agreed!

(Side note: How many of you know that Jesus is a part of Islam? Muslims view him as a holy prophet and messenger of god ... not literally a SON of god because they don't believe god is an entity that can have children.)
 
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Again, spot-on. No offense to you, GILSAN, but this is an American matter, going by American laws. This is not relevant to you. It’s an issue of the painting being placed in an area under American jurisdiction. It’s not the mere fact that it’s a painting of Jesus--it’s the laws surrounding it.
An American talking about American jurisdiction and it not being relevant anywhere else in the world?
I'll let Israel know immediately that what happens there is of no concern to Americans? Same with Iraq, Iran, North Korea, China, France... remember this was the county where people stopped eating FRENCH FRIES!?!

Though this picture is a small issue it speaks volumes about the current climate in this country so it is WHOLLY relevant.


Man, if there was only one view of Christianity, only 1 denomination would exist.
Well there is the unitarian church....



If it was one of Muhammad, it would have been 0-4 the other way.

I'm pretty sure that a lot of muslims might vote it removed too. I'm not sure the Sunnis would be too keen on an image hanging anywhere. I'd also be interested in a Presbyterian view - no doubt they might like to have the 2nd commandment reviewed in the face of the picture of Jesus.

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There is no better place to TEACH religion than in a school with mixed religions. Without teaching how can one even begin to understand the different belief systems?

We want to learn about the formation of America - religion was a part of that. Much of the history of the world is dressed in religion. It's HUGELY important.

It's not a place for prosletyzing which I think is what you meant :)

I think Religious Education should be taught in ALL schools.
 
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There is no better place to TEACH religion than in a school with mixed religions.

Yes, it's called public school. You let everyone share their views thru social interaction without hanging pics on the wall which favor one view over the other!
 
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JB Lions must be feeling like a peacock, now that he's been nominated by the liberal NamePros crowd to be the next Prez. Tough luck Hillary, you were outright favorite, but now there's a new kid on the block. :'( God help us all!

JB Lions says: "I guarantee you, put Muhammed up there, those Christians would lose it"

If someone put Muhammed there they (the Muslims) would burn the school down

Anyway I've had enough of arguing with the brainwashed libs
 
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"Anyway I've had enough of arguing with the brainwashed libs"

Run thru the translator

"Anyway I have no real points, I'm tired of getting my ass handed to me, I'm outta here"

Yes, I'm a brainwashed lib because I think schools should be a neutral place.

You fear answering this simple question:

"Do you think schools should be pushing one religion over another, or should schools be a neutral place, realizing people come from different backgrounds, different faiths etc.?"

You either agree with me, or you think it's ok for schools to be pushing one religion over another.
 
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An American talking about American jurisdiction and it not being relevant anywhere else in the world?
I'll let Israel know immediately that what happens there is of no concern to Americans? Same with Iraq, Iran, North Korea, China, France... remember this was the county where people stopped eating FRENCH FRIES!?!

Though this picture is a small issue it speaks volumes about the current climate in this country so it is WHOLLY relevant.

Agreed. Virtually anything that happens in the US has implications all over.

There is no better place to TEACH religion than in a school with mixed religions. Without teaching how can one even begin to understand the different belief systems?

We want to learn about the formation of America - religion was a part of that. Much of the history of the world is dressed in religion. It's HUGELY important.

I think Religious Education should be taught in ALL schools.
Agreed once again. Catholic schools in many countries such as the UK attract large numbers of Muslim and Hindu students who have no problems in attending such schools, because they know they will get a great education there.

I really don´t see what all the fuss is about even though it's a public school where only 1 student and his parents complained about the Jesus that was already there for 65 years. How many students in this school? 100, 200, 300 or more?

So the objection of 1 student and his parents over possibly 300 students and their parents is more important? Where the hell is the democracy in the US? No wonder Public schools in the US are going down the dumps. They need to bring back good values which includes religion.

To me you guys are all wrong, so go ahead and vote for JB Lions. I don't give a shit anymore

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"Do you think schools should be pushing one religion over another, or should schools be a neutral place, realizing people come from different backgrounds, different faiths etc.?"

You either agree with me, or you think it's ok for schools to be pushing one religion over another.

You really think you're smart don't you. As usual you twist everything around and then come insisting that I answer your stupid twisted questions.

You know where you can shove your questions don't you? or should I spell it out for you?
 
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No one wants to take away anyone else's religion, but public schools aren't the place to teach "good religious values"--that job belongs at home and at church.

Yes, I have heard that some non-Catholics send their children to Catholic schools, but they will be taught Catholic values. I would expect that. I'm sure that those parents have made a deal with their own beliefs in exchange for a better quality of education for their kids.

But being taught "Christian values" in public school is not okay.

And posting a picture of Jesus sends an implicit message that this school promotes Christian beliefs. It doesn't matter if the picture has been posted for 65 years or 65 days--it's still an affront to those who hold other beliefs. And separation of Church and State is a constitutional guarantee (in the U.S.); we escaped the Brits because of religious intolerance (mostly forcing citizens to join the Church of England).

I have no problem with schools teaching about different religions, for example, "The Bible as Literature," but if the conversation slips into talk like, "The One and Only True Church" or other such nonsense, then I have a problem.

There are options for those who want religious values taught in school: private schools and homeschooling.

I, for one, am not interested in paying taxes for schools that push dogma at kids.

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Here's an example of the University of Dayton, a Roman Catholic university receiving more and more Muslim students:

One of them said: “Here, people are more religious, even if they’re not Muslim, and I am comfortable with that,”

Another said: “I like the fact that there’s faith, even if it’s not my faith, and I feel my faith is respected,”

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/03/e...atholic-colleges-in-growing-numbers.html?_r=0

Another article:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/19/AR2010121904199.html

If Public Schools were to follow these example they would be much better.
 
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Yes, I have heard that some non-Catholics send their children to Catholic schools, but they will be taught Catholic values.
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Or how to play football..
 
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They need to bring back good values which includes religion.

That's your opinion.
 
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An American talking about American jurisdiction and it not being relevant anywhere else in the world?

Correct. The fact that this country sticks its nose in every butt-crack it sees doesn’t mean what we do is right.

Yes, it's called public school. You let everyone share their views thru social interaction without hanging pics on the wall which favor one view over the other!

Public schools are not the place to teach religion. Had I been atheist, well, who in the hell should have the right to teach my kids about God if I try to teach them there is no God at all? A teacher is to TEACH & NOT to instill religious values.

JB Lions must be feeling like a peacock, now that he's been nominated by the liberal NamePros crowd to be the next Prez. Tough luck Hillary, you were outright favorite, but now there's a new kid on the block. :'( God help us all!

JB Lions says: "I guarantee you, put Muhammed up there, those Christians would lose it"

If someone put Muhammed there they (the Muslims) would burn the school down

Anyway I've had enough of arguing with the brainwashed libs

He’s referring to me, thinking I’m a Lib. Hell no! I can’t STAND Democrats. I was raised Republican but eh, they’re so insane these days, I dunno how anyone could follow them. I’m Independent.

But he’s making my point, even though he doesn’t think that he is: This world is full of differing religions. You, GILSAN, just contradicted your Holier-than-thou self: You said that had this been a painting of Mohammad, Muslims would have burned it down. This is the exact same thing here, aside of course that it’s not violent (it’s non-followers showing angst over the painting). I said it should be taken down for the same reasons a Mohammad painting should be: it would be offensive.

Come on, ppl--stop being so naïve. If a kid went to school with a shirt that said “I hate *****rs and faggots,” are you saying the shirt should be ruled okay under 1st Amendment rights & that it wouldn’t have any implications on ppl and would in no realistic way be offensive to anyone? This painting is offensive to non-Christians. Why not just take it down? As-is, the painting is causing a “disruption in the educational system” but because Christianity is what America was founded on, the Government (or in this case, the school board) wants to steal an advantage -- as they had.

Agreed. Virtually anything that happens in the US has implications all over.

This painting being hung in an American public school has no implications outside of the US. Sorry.

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No one wants to take away anyone else's religion, but public schools aren't the place to teach "good religious values"--that job belongs at home and at church.

Yes, I have heard that some non-Catholics send their children to Catholic schools, but they will be taught Catholic values. I would expect that. I'm sure that those parents have made a deal with their own beliefs in exchange for a better quality of education for their kids.

But being taught "Christian values" in public school is not okay.

And posting a picture of Jesus sends an implicit message that this school promotes Christian beliefs. It doesn't matter if the picture has been posted for 65 years or 65 days--it's still an affront to those who hold other beliefs. And separation of Church and State is a constitutional guarantee (in the U.S.); we escaped the Brits because of religious intolerance (mostly forcing citizens to join the Church of England).

I have no problem with schools teaching about different religions, for example, "The Bible as Literature," but if the conversation slips into talk like, "The One and Only True Church" or other such nonsense, then I have a problem.

There are options for those who want religious values taught in school: private schools and homeschooling.

I, for one, am not interested in paying taxes for schools that push dogma at kids.

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Agreed. Those who actually DO want it are the braindead Christians who believe their goal in life is to turn everyone into Christians. Good luck with your losing battle, ppl. I’m Christian because I WANT TO BE, not because a school wanted me to me. This painting doesn’t belong in a public school. A church, yes, but not a public school.

Here's an example of the University of Dayton, a Roman Catholic university receiving more and more Muslim students:

One of them said: “Here, people are more religious, even if they’re not Muslim, and I am comfortable with that,”

Another said: “I like the fact that there’s faith, even if it’s not my faith, and I feel my faith is respected,”

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/03/e...atholic-colleges-in-growing-numbers.html?_r=0

Another article:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/19/AR2010121904199.html

If Public Schools were to follow these example they would be much better.

Taking the belief of a news article. How lovely. (I live in Jackson so I know how ppl here feel personally. We all talk about it -- and I’ve read from NO ONE who wanted the painting to stay except from news articles that use favoritism to get their point across.
 
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You, GILSAN, just contradicted your Holier-than-thou self: You said that had this been a painting of Mohammad, Muslims would have burned it down. This is the exact same thing here, aside of course that it’s not violent (it’s non-followers showing angst over the painting). I said it should be taken down for the same reasons a Mohammad painting should be: it would be offensive.

Taking the belief of a news article. How lovely. (I live in Jackson so I know how ppl here feel personally. We all talk about it -- and I’ve read from NO ONE who wanted the painting to stay except from news articles that use favoritism to get their point across.

I don't think you understood what I said.
I said that Muslims would burn the school down for putting a painting of Muhammad, because they are against paintings or any depictions of Mohammad. If they had a Koran in the school and it was removed there would be zero tolerance from them. Totally different from what you're suggesting I said.

So you are saying that everyone in Jackson town are against the Jesus and want it removed?. Then why were most parents cheering the position taken by the School Board? Are you saying that the article in Yahoo and others that I read from some Ohio newspapers is a load of bull?

If that's the case why did you start a thread based on an article that according to you "use favoritism to get their point across"? :-/ In other words...lies & BS
 
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I suppose our meanings got a bit twisted to one another. C'est la vie.

And I posted this topic because I wanted to bring it up. Why else would I post it--like, was I paid to or something? lol

I don't think you understood what I said.
I said that Muslims would burn the school down for putting a painting of Muhammad, because they are against paintings or any depictions of Mohammad. If they had a Koran in the school and it was removed there would be zero tolerance from them. Totally different from what you're suggesting I said.

So you are saying that everyone in Jackson town are against the Jesus and want it removed?. Then why were most parents cheering the position taken by the School Board? Are you saying that the article in Yahoo and others that I read from some Ohio newspapers is a load of bull?

If that's the case why did you start a thread based on an article that according to you "use favoritism to get their point across"? :-/ In other words...lies & BS
 
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I just can’t understand why today’s societies in a Christian countries are so self-destructive and ignorant to what’s happening in their countries. Religion need to be one of the main pivots of education (and it is in other cultures, but not in Christian countries). I respect all main religions, cause I believe that people can believe in anything they want, people also can choose to not believe in anything. But why Christians are always loosing the game with others. Look at Muslims, Jews… They are strong in their faith, and I like it much. This is how Christians need to be.
This picture is just a first step, the next step could be different. For example, some day on Christmas you will get such nice Christmas tree like the people who live in Brussels got last year - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-20302574
 
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But there's always the issue of parental rights. Would it be right for a teacher to teach the word of Christ to a Wiccan child? Is it in the school's rights to say, "No--your parents are wrong, we're right, and our belief is what you have to believe"? Religion doesn't belong in public schools. Teach our kids how to read and write. Teach them about health, especially the consequences of sex (all ppl have sex and/or masturbate. It's not too taboo to teach). But leave FAITH up to the parents. Schools should have no right to dictate what someone believes in.

I just can’t understand why today’s societies in a Christian countries are so self-destructive and ignorant to what’s happening in their countries. Religion need to be one of the main pivots of education (and it is in other cultures, but not in Christian countries). I respect all main religions, cause I believe that people can believe in anything they want, people also can choose to not believe in anything. But why Christians are always loosing the game with others. Look at Muslims, Jews… They are strong in their faith, and I like it much. This is how Christians need to be.
This picture is just a first step, the next step could be different. For example, some day on Christmas you will get such nice Christmas tree like the people who live in Brussels got last year - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-20302574
 
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