The LLLL.com sales and discussion thread

[italiandragon]

Hello, I think it would be pretty useful to keep track of all LLLL.com sales , even the little ones under $100 so that , pretty soon , when the available LLLL.com will be finished , we`ll have a better idea on market prices.

It is important that these sales are confirmed. So before to post, make sure payment went OK.

I will start with todays` Sedo confirmed sales:

FISE.com 2,700 Euros
TSRT.com US $760
VEUP.com US $1,700


Also, I found interesting to see this average LLLL, getting bids up to $51 and reserve not me. It says it all.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...110154111735_W0QQ_trksidZm37QQfromZR40QQfviZ1

 

[Domainace]

What makes a good $x,xxx LLLL.com name? I can't find much of a pattern in the sales reported at DNJournal for them.

I think there is no pattern. As I said in a previous post, an LLLL acronym can be just about anything. If Zenith and Xerox join to form Zenith Xerox Joint Ventures, Inc., then the owner of ZXJV has just had a lucky day.

A name can increase its chances of being lucky by having commonly used letters, and avoiding less commonly used letters. But neither is a guarantee of success or failure in the end user market. The whole premium letter thing is only of interest to domain resellers, not to end users.

Of course, if the LLLL is pronounceable (to a reasonable person), that greatly increases the name's chances by expanding its potential market beyond acronyms and into branding.

Actually, I think without the reseller market, LLLL domains would be too speculative to invest in. Your occasional XXXX sale would be eaten up by renewal fees and drops. But the reseller market props up the bottom just enough to make it all viable. Or at least I hope so.

 

[Sameh]

Sedo homepage report:

tuya $4,909
wuck $2,000
njti $800

 

[KingQub3d]

Let me get this straight, if you have a 4 letter domain... you can sell it for such expensive price ?? but why... those are some great domains btw... you're sharing.

 

[tonecas]

hi

A nice name, but it's above my current budget. Who was the previous owner? And, how do you know it was deleted from the registry? Just curious about it

the domain was registered with BuyDomains and was only going to expire on 02-Oct-2009. the current whois info shows it as a fresh registration/catch by Enom on 05-Aug-2009.

so, either someone click the delete button instead of the renew button and did not notice it between the thousands and thousands of domains hold or UC San Diego or someone else with the same acronym pressure for the drop. beats me...

the final price was $5,200 from bidder li1o0xjlwcv01qt03qw6 who usually makes very good bids (hard to understand how someone uses an alias like that - and remembers it!).

Reflex was on the auction too but gave up bellow 2K. So, some big guys don't seem to give a dam about the reason for the drop :P:P

regards,
tonecas

 

[mibworld]

Thanks for the answer. I'm sure that the name must receive good traffic, so, unless there is a trademark problem, it looks good for the buyer.

hi



the domain was registered with BuyDomains and was only going to expire on 02-Oct-2009. the current whois info shows it as a fresh registration/catch by Enom on 05-Aug-2009.

so, either someone click the delete button instead of the renew button and did not notice it between the thousands and thousands of domains hold or UC San Diego or someone else with the same acronym pressure for the drop. beats me...

the final price was $5,200 from bidder li1o0xjlwcv01qt03qw6 who usually makes very good bids (hard to understand how someone uses an alias like that - and remembers it!).

Reflex was on the auction too but gave up bellow 2K. So, some big guys don't seem to give a dam about the reason for the drop :P:P

regards,
tonecas

 

[*Domain*]

Sedo homepage report:

tuya $4,909
wuck $2,000
njti $800

personally i think tuya worths more, it sounds like toyota:-s
also njti isnt that special.)

 

[Soofi]

also njti isnt that special.)

NJ=New Jersy
TI= just could be anything..

Great sale IMO

 

[ebatcave]

NJ=New Jersy
TI= just could be anything..

Great sale IMO

NJTI:

National Joint TERT (Telecommunicator Emergency Response Taskforce) Initiative (US)

 

[Soofi]

NJTI:

National Joint TERT (Telecommunicator Emergency Response Taskforce) Initiative (US)

one of NJTI end users eh!

 

[Semtex]

The last 2 days on TDNX:

ytwc $25
xuiw $25
xvxp $25
xefg $25
vuaq $20
vuoq $25
utkq $20
uqnx $20
unqc $20
rtjr $107
qaiw $20
qauv $20
qeiw $20
ojwu $20
lzqa $20
kzqt $20
fozw $20
fjpy $25
fcoq $20
doqt $20
djcg $41
zoxh $20
yppj $20
yrau $20
yrrw $20
yrvv $20
yvjj $20
yvvg $20
yvvh $20
ywau $20
ywoi $20
ydiu $20
yjau $20
yjjv $20
dyzi $85
xsov $25
vwiu $25
vwwj $20
vyyc $20
vyyd $20
vyyg $20
vyyh $20
vyyj $20
vknw $20
vlnw $20
uvvj $20
uyyk $20
ujnw $40
rvyl $20
ovxc $36
renewals have been added

 

[WORDSWORTH]

Eight LLLL.com drops are available right now. Please click the top link in my signature if you want to see the list.

 

[mjbenterprises]

Eight LLLL.com drops are available right now. Please click the top link in my signature if you want to see the list.

All gone....

 

[MicroGuy]

All gone....

This should be expected as these drops are probably being hand regged with various registrar codes. I think you can register a .COM at Godaddy now for $2.00. The fact that they are making it all the way through the expiration process and to "availability" is the dire part of the situation.

In addition, this will only drive the prices of junk LLLLs down further as these new owners can now make solid returns by selling their fresh regs for $7 to $10 each. IMO.

 

[WORDSWORTH]

This should be expected as these drops are probably being hand regged with various registrar codes. I think you can register a .COM at Godaddy now for $2.00. The fact that they are making it all the way through the expiration process and to "availability" is the dire part of the situation.

In addition, this will only drive the prices of junk LLLLs down further as these new owners can now make solid returns by selling their fresh regs for $7 to $10 each. IMO.

GoDaddy do occasionally release coupon codes for $0.99 or $1.99 .com domain registration. They normally only allow one registration per account and/or expire very quickly. I regularly read the GoDaddy Discount Codes thread here at NamePros and can't see any of these really cheap codes that are currently working. Best price I could get at GoDaddy recently was $6.99 plus $0.18 ICANN fee using code yhkw105a Here's the thread:

http://www.namepros.com/577802-godaddy-discount-codes-191.html

So, unless you have any $2 codes you want to share , chances are these GD registrants paid at least $7.17 for their domains.

 

[MicroGuy]

GoDaddy do occasionally release coupon codes for $0.99 or $1.99 .com domain registration. They normally only allow one registration per account and/or expire very quickly. I regularly read the GoDaddy Discount Codes thread here at NamePros and can't see any of these really cheap codes that are currently working. Best price I could get at GoDaddy recently was $6.99 plus $0.18 ICANN fee using code yhkw105a Here's the thread:

http://www.namepros.com/577802-godaddy-discount-codes-191.html

So, unless you have any $2 codes you want to share , chances are these GD registrants paid at least $7.17 for their domains.

There was a $2.00 code last week I used and people use multiple accounts all the time. I checked a few of these recent regs, and the ones I checked were at Godaddy.

 

[mjbenterprises]

I think these LLLL.coms will continue to be picked up........ They are just too good of a LONG TERM investment, the numbers available are just too limited relative to the demand........ Out of 457,000 or so LLLL.coms, there are a large amount currentlly in use, so you can deduct those from the total available.......... If just 1000 domainers have $700 to invest (100 domains each), that locks up 100,000 domains just from those numbers...

And if you don't have $700 to invest yearly, well then , you are not a serious domainer......LLL.coms, and LLLL.coms are the only SERIOUS investment in domaining that has always shown liquidity at a very high rate..... Reseller minumums are quite established for ALL LLLL.coms(even in a downward trend, the minimum range is usually predictable) giving them a huge advantage over even keyword domains , where resale values are all over the place for even quality domains..... Count me in as a long term investor in LLLL.coms...

 

[MicroGuy]

I think these LLLL.coms will continue to be picked up........ They are just too good of a LONG TERM investment, the numbers available are just too limited relative to the demand........ Out of 457,000 or so LLLL.coms, there are a large amount currentlly in use, so you can deduct those from the total available.......... If just 1000 domainers have $700 to invest (100 domains each), that locks up 100,000 domains just from those numbers...

And if you don't have $700 to invest yearly, well then , you are not a serious domainer......LLL.coms, and LLLL.coms are the only SERIOUS investment in domaining that has always shown liquidity at a very high rate..... Reseller minumums are quite established for ALL LLLL.coms(even in a downward trend, the minimum range is usually predictable) giving them a huge advantage over even keyword domains , where resale values are all over the place for even quality domains..... Count me in as a long term investor in LLLL.coms...

The only reason these LLLLs are being picked up is because when some guy in Dindaeng, Bangkok can flip a $7 name for $10, he's made more in that 30 minutes of work than 95% of the workers in his Country.

Don't have any illusions that these names are being picked up as long-term investments. IMO.

 

[Semtex]

In addition, this will only drive the prices of junk LLLLs down further as these new owners can now make solid returns by selling their fresh regs for $7 to $10 each. IMO.

The only issue with this is, TDNAM is auctioning junk LLLL's every day, and they are being picked up for $17-$27 daily. I just don't understand why this is happening when they can just wait to let them drop and then hand-reg them.

 

[MicroGuy]

The only issue with this is, TDNAM is auctioning junk LLLL's every day, and they are being picked up for $17-$27 daily. I just don't understand why this is happening when they can just wait to let them drop and then hand-reg them.

Because there are many, many people behind the curve I guess.

 

[Kate]

LLL.coms, and LLLL.coms are the only SERIOUS investment in domaining that has always shown liquidity at a very high rate..... Reseller minumums are quite established for ALL LLLL.coms(even in a downward trend, the minimum range is usually predictable) giving them a huge advantage over even keyword domains , where resale values are all over the place for even quality domains.....

The flaw in that logic is that LLL.com & LLLL.com are different beasts. LLL are popular for acronyms but LLLL ? The LLLL bubble has burst and that was perfectly predictable.

 

[mjbenterprises]

Just because the "bubble burst" and values have gone lower doesn't mean that all of a sudden LLLL.coms aren't good investments..... Did people suddenly stop investing in oil when it went down to $33 a barrel?

No, of course not, ALL investments undergo fluctuations, and in every serious industry, there will be
people that make money, and those that will lose.... Doesn't matter if it's oil, gold, soybeans, or domain names...... But overreacting to a price drop only does one thing-----it will keep you from investing in an obvious GREAT long term domain investment, I can't think of any domain investment "safer" than an LLLL.com....

 

[MicroGuy]

Just because the "bubble burst" and values have gone lower doesn't mean that all of a sudden LLLL.coms aren't good investments..... Did people suddenly stop investing in oil when it went down to $33 a barrel?

The flaw in that logic is two-fold. More and more oil is not being generated out of thin air like TLDs (dilution) and owning oil does not have a cost of ownership equal to 100% of its value recurring annually.

 

[mjbenterprises]

Well, other TLDs aren't going to have any effect on a serious investment like an LLLL.com..... I think of those new TLDs as nothing more than "junk bonds" while LLLL.coms represent real currency...Only new investors invest in those areas, they get burned everytime (.mobi, .tv, .biz, the list is endless)....I disagree that there is not a "cost of ownership" with every investment....... What about the investors that held on to their oil futures too long and lost tons of money....... This, to me, is a type of cost of ownership, not directly analogous to domains, but similar nonetheless...

There are other real costs with other investments, for instance, taxes paid on any earnings..... Also, consider the cost of storing and maintaining real assets such as Gold, real estate, and rare collectibles such as art work, etc...The costs of ownership in an area such as real estate is prohibitive, such as annual taxes, annual maintenance etc...The point is, if you are seriously investing in domains, those costs should be factored in by you the investor..... In any industry in business, you have to pay to play, there just isn't any way around it...

The juggling act for domain name investing is knowing what percentage of your portfolio to sell at reseller prices, and what percentage to consider a long term "hold"..... That is what makes it tough as far as renewal fees, knowing which domains you need to actually sell BEFORE renewal comes up, and then selling them on appropriate reseller forums....

 

[TexasDomainer]

oegz.com $40 on namepros!!

 

[Shenron]

There was a $2.00 code last week I used and people use multiple accounts all the time. I checked a few of these recent regs, and the ones I checked were at Godaddy.

Only people with multiple Credit cards because they don't let you use those codes with paypal...