.tv Why dont .TV's sell in the major auctions?

[deb]

Why dont .TV's sell in the major auctions? i am not sure if this was covered elsewhere....(plse delete if so)

it just seems strange that whilst we are believers in the extension the big guys/domain investors/VC's steer clear of it. did we get it wrong? is .net and .org(even .mobi) currently a better investment?

i dont recall any major .tv sales at any recent "industry" auctions.

it will happen im sure in time, just a little bit of doubt creeping in

 

[equity78]

Elequa pays $50 a year for Travel.tv

 

[Steven]

Elequa pays $50 a year for Travel.tv

Although Travel.TV has been bought for $65,000 (From what I recall), $50 renewal fee is very amazing for a great domain name like that.

 

[equity78]

Every domain Elequa has is a $50 renewal whether it Travel,Mail,Mp3 or an L.tv,LL.tv or LLL.tv

 

[Makis.TV]

TV premium renewal costs

this is the main reason that tv's are not attractive in auctions like Moniker.

 

[htmlindex]

Every domain Elequa has is a $50 renewal whether it Travel,Mail,Mp3 or an L.tv,LL.tv or LLL.tv

How did he manage to get it for a $50/year renewal when Enom has crap names as $250/year premiums?

 

[jeffoverman]

I see .tv names being in auctions and some big sales occuring in the next couple years.

I agree-the prime land in .tv-its the yearly fee that is posted that is scaring buyers away.

Now the Travel.tv year fee-that is dirt cheap..Thanks in posting that-I also didnt know it sold for that much. So travel.tv is the number 1 sale.

The problem with .tv we are still young. My uncle is an angel investor in start ups-you will win some and loose some. Your in area-one big win or payoff will really open the doors up for us. I am taking advice in how I do .tv investing and creating a platform.

Ladies and Gentleman-there are some big private sales occuring and people are seeing this. Auctions would be huge plus and sales. If .mobi sales are this big recently, .tv will be there. I think its the yearrly expense on prime land that is scaring people off. I receive offers and I been seeing a pick up on things but most of my names I have decided turn the for sale off. I am a holder-not a seller unless I sale couple great names I will to free up cash and get the development back up.

There are a lot of flippers here-one big flipper here is actually getting into development(I wont put him on the spot). He probably sees the development side vs. flipping dollars and doing all the buying and selling. Taking the hold approach to .tv I think its the best route. Thats just my thoughts.

 

[discovernow]

Renewal fees are the #1 reason why the top .tv are not selling at auctions. I am going to discuss this with Richard Rosenblatt when I meet him and other enom management in LA next week.

 

[Steven]

I see .tv names being in auctions and some big sales occuring in the next couple years.

I agree-the prime land in .tv-its the yearly fee that is posted that is scaring buyers away.

Now the Travel.tv year fee-that is dirt cheap..Thanks in posting that-I also didnt know it sold for that much. So travel.tv is the number 1 sale.

The problem with .tv we are still young. My uncle is an angel investor in start ups-you will win some and loose some. Your in area-one big win or payoff will really open the doors up for us. I am taking advice in how I do .tv investing and creating a platform.

Ladies and Gentleman-there are some big private sales occuring and people are seeing this. Auctions would be huge plus and sales. If .mobi sales are this big recently, .tv will be there. I think its the yearrly expense on prime land that is scaring people off. I receive offers and I been seeing a pick up on things but most of my names I have decided turn the for sale off. I am a holder-not a seller unless I sale couple great names I will to free up cash and get the development back up.

There are a lot of flippers here-one big flipper here is actually getting into development(I wont put him on the spot). He probably sees the development side vs. flipping dollars and doing all the buying and selling. Taking the hold approach to .tv I think its the best route. Thats just my thoughts.

I agree.

With proper development, we can potentially see a much higher return.
Many of us have good names that we need to pay xx,xxx-x,xxx,xxx for .com. Sometimes, it sounds even better with .TV.

Development and advertisement are some of the good ways to familiarize the public with .TV.

This forum probably contains the biggest .TV investors. Although there are media/other companies that are promoting .TV, it's also important for us to make a contribution in helping the net users get used to .TV.
Hopefully, we can see better return with the popularity of this extension rising.

PS
According to namebio.com, golf.tv is #1 at $600,000.
I'm sure that there have been sales that were higher (with NDA).

 

[eyedomainous]

Why dont .TV's sell in the major auctions?

At present, the 'traffic formula' dominates domainer thinking... which drives bidding at the major domain auctions. .TV does not fare well in the traffic formula.

The "Time on site" and "user experience" (domain value) formulas are rapidly becoming high value metrics. Many experts predict Time-on-site user-experience will soon be as important as 'hits' as 'quality' traffic, in the end, is better than quanity. Video-centric sites fare very well in this formula.

Solution: .TV, and 'new media' domains, need their own auctions targeting their own (new thinking) audience/market. Enom, Moniker etc. should organize 'New Media Domain Auctions' and make them apart of all the New Media conventions & conferences they can.

I am making an effort to make this happen on my own, but this is a task for major (auction) players... though a concerted effort by .TV domainers, along with media domain name owners, could have an impact. Also, I think 'media domains' should be sold/auctioned differently... but thats a whole 'nother topic.

All of this is :imho: of course.

 

[memorablename]

Renewal fees are the #1 reason why the top .tv are not selling at auctions. I am going to discuss this with Richard Rosenblatt when I meet him and other enom management in LA next week.

Please let Richard Rosenblatt know that if Demand take a longer term view on .TV and restructure their premium pricing and renewals strategy, the resulting boom in .TV could be good for all and Demand could in fact earn more money and get a better name...

 

[equity78]

Richard Rosenblatt does not have the say, Verisign controls premium pricing and owns the dot tv corp. Demand Media is acting in the role of retail marketing and they mark up some premiums even more for their commission.

Excellent post CLAUDE

 

[eyedomainous]

Richard Rosenblatt does not have the say, Verisign controls premium pricing and owns the dot tv corp. Demand Media is acting in the role of retail marketing and they mark up some premiums even more for their commission.

Excellent post CLAUDE

Thank you very much, Equity.

 

[smashfactory]

equity- based on verisign setting premium pricing- does that mean that demand media sees no profit? that the renewal fee showing for news and business.tv were set by verisign, and demand media gets no cut?

i would imagine they have to get something- or they wouldnt be in this game- no?

 

[Makis.TV]

maybe they inflate even more these prices and most of all they get all dropped tv domains into premiums and get all the money from there.

 

[antonis12]

Everyone in this discussion is correct.

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At auctions, you have primarily investors who are buying for PPC revenue.

Few .tv, particularly the higher priced premiums, can cover their registration fees today from PPC traffic.

So by the metrics that a domaineer with 100,000 domain parked portfolio uses (will I make money if I park this domain), most .tvs are absolutely worthless.

Their greatest value is as a platform for development because you could have gotten highly brandable, highly SEO-able names fairly inexpensively over the last couple of years.

But then it means the folks that will realize and pay for this value are developers, not domaineers.

And that means if you are waiting for the TRAFFIC crowd to bail you out of your investment, you will be waiting a very long time...

 

[snoop]

Everyone in this discussion is correct.

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At auctions, you have primarily investors who are buying for PPC revenue.

Few .tv, particularly the higher priced premiums, can cover their registration fees today from PPC traffic.

So by the metrics that a domaineer with 100,000 domain parked portfolio uses (will I make money if I park this domain), most .tvs are absolutely worthless.

Their greatest value is as a platform for development because you could have gotten highly brandable, highly SEO-able names fairly inexpensively over the last couple of years.

But then it means the folks that will realize and pay for this value are developers, not domaineers.

And that means if you are waiting for the TRAFFIC crowd to bail you out of your investment, you will be waiting a very long time...

If the buyers at this event think non traffic domains are worthless then why are .mobi's, .info's and .us names selling for 4/5/6 figures there?

 

[TheBulldog]

snoop, those extensions are seen as stable. Still to many unknowns for Joe Domainer to touch tv just yet.

Now end-users, that's another matter. Joe Enduser doesn't know about the quirks of tv and is buying here and there. End user sales are driving tv right now, obviously with inside domainers like us keeping the resell market alive. Aside from that, people trickle in here day by day.

 

[deb]

If the buyers at this event think non traffic domains are worthless then why are .mobi's, .info's and .us names selling for 4/5/6 figures there?

exactly and even .FM's are selling(i think?)

 

[mcgauley10]

i didnt even know of .tv untill i got to this forum

 

[memorablename]

Richard Rosenblatt does not have the say, Verisign controls premium pricing and owns the dot tv corp. Demand Media is acting in the role of retail marketing and they mark up some premiums even more for their commission.

Thanks for this clarification Equity. As such, the people we need to lobby are Verisign. IMO, they should be able to afford to take a longer term view than prevails at present....

I bellieve that we should look at ways of lobbying Verisign to reconsider a premium pricing structure that distorts the market and reduces confidence in .TV amongst some of the bigger players....