.tv Why dont .TV's sell in the major auctions?

[deb]

Why dont .TV's sell in the major auctions? i am not sure if this was covered elsewhere....(plse delete if so)

it just seems strange that whilst we are believers in the extension the big guys/domain investors/VC's steer clear of it. did we get it wrong? is .net and .org(even .mobi) currently a better investment?

i dont recall any major .tv sales at any recent "industry" auctions.

it will happen im sure in time, just a little bit of doubt creeping in

 

[TheBulldog]

Here is something relevant to the topic, gayline.com is up for auction for $51,000 on buydomains. I am not saying its worth that, or will sell for that, but thats the asking price. I just gayline.tv in auction for $5 and am certain its worth more than that.
npr.tv is just finishing auction on sedo for $110 but the .com would go for at least $10k. Hopefully soon .tvs will start to shift for a tenth of their .com counterparts.

SEdo?

I go to sedo.com or sedo.co.uk and search for npr.tv. Nothing.

 

[johntv]

With .TV alone, I have received many 5 figure offers, and they are nearing mid-5 range... some of the offers are for my premiums, and quite a few are for my non-premiums. None of my names is listed for sale, these are end-users/reseller inquiries direct to my email address listed in whois.

Snoop, nice having you here, it makes us all think, which is always good

Although I have to (partly) disagree with you. Just like Mr. Rhee mentioned, many here are just holding their .tv names and still get 3, 4 or even 5 figure offers through whois, although I agree with you that we still lack one or two major sales to get some recognition on .tv, like .mobi has.

The main reason for this is that many sales are done with end users and they like to keep these sales private, I sold one for a decent amount (higher then travel.tv sold for), but it was a private sale. It would have made some headlines and I hope that any next one by any of us here can be reported.

The two main reasons why I have much confident in .tv is that first of all traffic is increasing (for example de.tv gets around 150 visitors a day and inter.tv around 80 a day) and even better, more and more developed .tv sites are being online and advertised (mainly on tv). Two years ago when anyone on this forum noticed a nice developed .tv site, it was reason enough to start a new thread, now it's quite normal.

As video and tv on the internet are just still in their starting days, as this only started like two years ago, the very best is still yet to come, when it's common use to see an integrated 'internet tv' in the living room, which people use to watch tv, videos, check email and browse the internet, in my opinion in 3 or 4 years from now.

 

[jeffoverman]

Johntv has it right on.

He sold a nice name won't disclose nor dollar amounts

By the way, I been hearing good things about you and your domains are gold

National above has sales figures out.

That 450k reported sales is probably more like 4 million to 6 million.

There are deals occuring left and right behind close doors. My buddy sold one for 18k. You don't hear that. Johntv let's say sold one for 80k higher then the travel.tv name. So between 2 names that's 98k.

Point being there are deals being made in .tv like this everyday. Actually it wouldn't shock me if its surpased 6 million.

Then are people like me besides the deep pocket people or geo investors. 500.00 here, 1500 here. My names haven't been leaked out or my buys because I want it that way. I am sure I am not the only one doing this method.

Snoop I give you credit on .mobi sales vs .tv but we are gaining ground fast.

Devélopment is key for success. There will always be flippers in names.

J

 

[StargateCapital]

i <3 .tv

Vivre le .tv!
​

Non stop flow of .tv sales here... my buyers like anonymity - which is fine by me. DNJ misses alot of sales, no doubt because of this. Coming from the .com world myself with 95% of my 3600 names being .com, my .tv sales and offer flow have been nothing less than outstanding and sometimes eclipse the same for .com! I've got some pretty damn good .coms too. People are warming up to .tv - there's no doubt about it.

Now I just have to learn how to develop them into site that users will want to return to on a consistent basis - people are getting tired of PPC sites IMHO. I cannot imagine the success rate of .tv if they were similarly priced with .com and did away with the premium pricing - but that's a whole 'nother topic .

Sneakers

 

[deb]

i blame that on richard rosenthall

hi smash,

why?

i was going to include something along those lines in my original question. ie he hasnt really set the .TV world on fire :imho:

 

[discovernow]

I have had offers for over $10,000 for 3 .tv names already such as
Religion.tv ($18K offer), Actor.tv (10K offer), Espanol.tv, (20K offer)
I did not sell those but that is $48,000 total. My investment in those 3 premiums are $6,000 through 2008. That is a nice ROI. Even with that, I still hear people that I am wasting my money with .tv.

I remember Steve Jobs saying a couple of years ago that stuck with me.
"It's not what was, it's not what is, it what will be". .TV is what will be
.
Also, there are 3 types of people, "people who watch things happen", "people who make things happen", and "people who want to know what just happened"
All of us here, the .tv visionaires are the ones "who make things happen"

 

[localexperts]

Little bit of history

In 1995, I went to work for a company called Interactive Insurance Services. This company was launching the website Insuremarket.com. Three months later Intuit purchased us and a company called Galt Technologies in Pitt, PA. No one, outside the tech field, knew what the heck was a DOT COM

Then in 1998, I went to work for Mindersoft, which was launching Lifeminders.com. Then one day, a minor player (I think it was Goto.com - but I don't remember) decided to changes it name to XXX.COM. Within days, we changed our name from Mindersoft to Lifeminders.com. Within weeks, every other internet company was changing to XXX.COM. .COM was now mainstream and it happened over night.

Within a year, my wife's company McAfee was trying to spin off McAfee.com. I never understood what business value the .COM had without the parent business, but the craze had started.

Then a little fish products company called Zapata Haynie, whose former president was George Bush, Sr and whose main plant was located in the Northern Neck of Virginia (where I grew up) announced they were going to launch Zap.com. They offered $$ for any internet company with traffic that would sell to them.

My Point - .COM didn't get "cool" and mainstream until 1999. It took one spark and then it spread like wildfire. I remember the days when people would say "What is a .com?".

Give .TV a chance. It has a stronger foundation than .NET or .ORG.

 

[virtuali]

I have to agree with MrRhee, sneakers, johntv,discovernow. There is lots of activity going on behind close doors.. in just the past few months I have seen 2 offers for Beer.tv, one for 20K and another for 40K. I have also had offers for cerveza.tv. Not in the same spectrum... but multiple offers all the same. I think there is lots of moves behind the scenes for some great domains... at great ROI.

 

[dreamscometrue]

Missed the boat

For several different reasons, I never post anything on NP, or any other site for that matter. After reading every post here...I had to leave my two cents.

I read, I study, I educate myself and most importantly I execute "my" game plan. Everyone has his/her personal strategy and game plan which they have developed and believe in.

Like anything, you are going to have people who disagree with your beliefs and gameplans. There is nothing you can do about this, as it is just a fact of life. What the .tv people need to learn to do is simply ignore the naysayers. The fact is, there are MULTIPLE ways to calculate the value of domains. Thus, there are many different opinions and evaluation stategies. As we all know, .com (type in traffic) combined with global recognition, trillions of dollars spent over two decades branding and "brain washing" people of this extension equals "value". I couldn't agree more that some extensions are not only pointless, but worthless and has been manufactured to make money.(.name, .ws and maybe even .info) I can not for the life of me understand how and why these exisit. DOTTV on the other hand...

The fact is, the internet is still so new and there are still soooo many avenues and untapped revenue streams. Think outside the box for two seconds.

.mobi, in 1996 would have made ZERO sense...and more importantly ZERO "CENTS"!

.tv, in 1996...bingo. Regardless of the situation and it's history. It makes sense and CENTS...and will continue to make sense and a lot MORE CENTS!

You can not try to replicate the short and long term success of .com with .tv with each and every domain name at this point. The 1/100, or 1/1000 arguement is so subjective. The reality is, bulk.com, lips.com, note.com and clock.com all have sold for over 6 figures. Does this mean these domains in the .tv version are very valuable today? No. Does it mean they will be? Maybe. HOWEVER, the point is...because .com was first, THEY ALL "MAKE SENSE" by ***DEFAULT***. Period. Type in traffic plays an ENORMOUS role with these huge .com sale prices and values, which makes sense.

However, a lot of people need to take a step back and really figure out the interenet before they post ridiculous comments and close ended statements about .tv. Although I only associate with a handfull of domain owners on the planet, I realize sometimes visiting these forums can be very beneficial.

Congratulations to all of the successful sellers and investors within the .tv space. Again, just remember, if you make a profit, it was a smart move, period. At the end of day, some people have had better timing, deeper pockets, or...and/or a more clear vision of the future.

Either way, whatever you buy, invest in, or believe in...that is your choice and I would encourage more people to stop wasting time fighting over what "might or might not" happen...and just pick your path and stick to it. IT IS INEVITABLE that .tv will pick up the pace with a slow and steady increase of both registrations and resales. This domino effect will bring more end users to the table, which by business 101, will create a natural success and stability with true value within the "supply and demand" avenue...

As more and more people are FORCED into learning about domains, (news stories and rumors) they will be greeted with a nice .tv welcome. The reality is, times change and the time is now. Just think...they called the "Blvd's" crazy for dumping a couple hundred grand into that handful of generic city domains. (losangles.com)...I'm not sure anyone will a beating heart is questioning him now..."timing, money and vision".........it's the 3 keys to any success.

...Generic *Geo*, *Adult*, Gaming/Gambling, *Real Estate*, *Video*, Social sites *WILL BE* (with time + development) HUGE SUCCESSES, THERE IS NO ARUGING THIS COMMENT.

In the 90's Best Buy, stocked about.................zero webcams...and a very few cameras. There was ZERO highspeed or Broadband. There was zero wireless, no iphones or ipod no bluetooth, "upload" wasn't even a word, and the term user-generated content was like saying FOOTBALL BAT. Ps: YouTube.com was unregistered...and there was no Facebook, or social networking, blogs, widgets, RSS, or Video Mail, or Skype, Joost, Babelgum, Next.tv, Ustream.tv, tnt.tv, mlb.tv, nba.tv nhl.tv baseballchannel.tv, national.tv, Howard.tv, BrightCove.tv, dave.tv, justin.tv, me.tv, parlimentlive.tv, should I keep going...?!?

I'm sure not everyone knows about Property.tv selling for $100,000...or what about Vegas.tv for $350,000? Golf.tv $600,000....China.tv $100,000....There are a million sales that never make it back to the public. For a cool $1,000,000 you can own Global.tv or RealEstate.tv...I even hear you can grab LasVegas.TV for $500,000...I hear Chicago.tv and a few other major cities have turned down HUGE offers...buckle your seat belt.

...The last time we saw major media companies and VC investors diving into the "Internet" like this was...well, .com. My point is, the time has come again.

WELCOME to the beginning of the NEW INTERNET!

I personally welcome all educated, researched and respectable comments...

And for those holding great .tv names, I invite you all to email me.

[email protected]



Have a wonderful day.


:sold:

NY

 

[virtuali]

Mohair

Great post my friend... its good to see someone come in with a great post and outlook like so many on this board. Very refreshing..

 

[Len]

Mohair, Wow...I think you said just about everything there is to say!! Excellent post.

 

[smashfactory]

hi smash,

why?

i was going to include something along those lines in my original question. ie he hasnt really set the .TV world on fire :imho:

> mohair- very nice post!

deb- well, i see it like this (this is thru my eyes)- .tv is a product- demand media is the company peddling that product. richard is the head of that company. in many ways, the internet is no different that "real" life- you have a product, and you need to promote it.

richard has a track record of being a developer, not a investor. he has developed and sold, not invested of himself.

cnnmoney: 3/7 -
Given his track record and what he claims about Demand's business even at this early, nascent stage - "We're very profitable," he says, "and we could go public now if we wanted to" - he'll soon be facing a barrage of buyout offers.
"We're not selling this one; this is a company we're going to build," Rosenblatt insists"

i feel that rosenblatt may be able to develop a contained community, as he has shown in the past, but i am not sure he can develop "the next .com". apparently others have had "slight doubts" in him also:

forbes:
"managing director at VantagePoint Venture Partners, was sold on Rosenblatt. "The world is more charged, the sun is brighter when he is in the room," he says. But the board was nervous. "They thought he was a surface guy. They didn't think he was deep enough to be the ceo,"

"Rosenblatt has the energy to take on all comers. "People think I'm all show, no go," he says. "Throughout my career no one ever believed that what I was working on was going to be big. I have to re-prove myself every time."

now- he has built successful companies, but the next .com ranks a bit higher on the intensity and complexity scale.

i think, if he continues to hold off, and not come to the front of the room and start putting .tv in front of the public, that the success of .tv will not rest at the feet of rosenblatt, but will be executed by the hands of us, other domain owners, social groups, business owners, ect... yet, somehow rosenblatt will get the credit for it.

this puts a sour taste in my mouth. by now there should have been strategic relations made, and if they have been made, for some ungodly reason he is keeping this all top secret.

this is not an ice cream shop where you provide a product that the customer buys, and the only thing the customer invests is the 5 minutes it took to eat the cone. many many domainers and investors buys a .tv, and are now invested in the .tv brand. you have to do more than what rosenblatt is doing, at the rate he is doing it, to keep those investors VESTED.

i can go on and on and i am sure many might disagree- this is just how i see it.

 

[gr8trfoo]

I have to throw in here - the reason names don't sell in TRAFFIC auctions is they won't make much ppc money.

When avg internet users start looking more to .tv names then prices will naturally rise. Until then zilch. And people simply won't type in anything .tv until they see .tv over and over again and start thinking "oh yeah, i bet there's some cool s*** at whatever.tv

To everyone with a decent some .tv's - ADVERTISE THEM!!! Build some equity in your own names and in the TLD "brand" itself. Be guerrilla about it. Put an ad in your local penny paper or whatever. Redirect some of your good .com traffic to the identical or related .tv and let that be the monetization page. Whatever you do get the extension in the public eye.

 

[dreamscometrue]

...This is getting more spicy!

:sold:

First, let me thank everyone for the nice comments and emails. Secondly, let me thank Fin for coming out for this special event! haha...

Anyway, as excited as I am, the bottom line is...the "concern" of marketing and pricing is legit...and DESERVES to be addressed. I still believe "they" are not ignorant enough to let this great opportunity evaporate...

I will not even attempt to speak for RR or DM or even Verisign for that matter...as to what they have in store, if anything. I sure hope so, a whole bunch of people "hope so". The reality is, we will have to wait...and the only thing I can come up with is this:

"Maybe"...just maybe, they wanted to develop and enhance more tools for the ChannelMe Platform, so WHEN THEY DO take large marketing and promoting steps, they will have a great product and platform to back the "idea and image" behind .tv...through DM. I realize this maybe wishful thinking...but really the only thing that makes any sense as it relates to HOW and WHY there hasn't been more of a PUSH for .tv from those DEEP POCKETS. Side Note: I really wish they would develop a "WOW" .tv site internally...Nonetheless, I still think the value is incredibly undiscovered in 2007.

Fin, I couldn't agree more. WE (myself included) NEED TO PUSH .tv and promote and develop these sites. You tell your buddy, he tells his, next thing you know his girlfriends baby sisters cousins daddy is asking about .tv and the cool "new internet"...

BINGO FIN, TRAFFIC shows and the majority of the BIG GUYS are interested in "INSTANT MONEY"...which brings me to a great thought...I'm thinking of "TOMORROWS MONEY"...and I know you are too.

...They always say, "Tomorrows Moguls were yesterdays Visionaries".



Have a good night everyone!



NY

 

[smashfactory]

i know .tv is beginning to firmly root itself in the internets infrastructure- no doubts there

but, if you are going to step into a very big game, with many players, then you need to walk thru the door fully armed, and not wearing a beta jacket.

see, this isnt like some search engine that is working out the kinks with a new technology- no money out of my pocket if it doesnt work today, and they work out the kinks in a month. doesnt cost me a dime, if they have enhancments "coming"- i can wait.

but this is real money, my money, your money, domainers money, that is vested in this. time, effort, development, etc... me.tv opened to soon in my opinion- it wasnt ready. while everybody is waiting, time is passing by, and time is money. i would never refer a deep pocket to me.tv for site develoment. compared to what is out there, it is mediocre at best- and with all richards experience, and one would hope his teams experience, he should have rolled out the .tv campaign with the most advanced site possible today.
you cant be the next .com and offer a cheeseball when your competition is offering
caviar.

it is not good business sense to bring in the masses, then have have of them turn away because of the lack of quality, only to have to spend more time and money to win them back. that is just poor managment skills, in any business.

again- this is just my opinion, and just to be clear- i am a HUGE .tv supporter- have a bunch of names, and believe in the extension- so much so that i believe it will thrive despite rosenblatt-

 

[rodash]

I have to throw in here - the reason names don't sell in TRAFFIC auctions is they won't make much ppc money.

When avg internet users start looking more to .tv names then prices will naturally rise. Until then zilch. And people simply won't type in anything .tv until they see .tv over and over again and start thinking "oh yeah, i bet there's some cool s*** at whatever.tv

To everyone with a decent some .tv's - ADVERTISE THEM!!! Build some equity in your own names and in the TLD "brand" itself. Be guerrilla about it. Put an ad in your local penny paper or whatever. Redirect some of your good .com traffic to the identical or related .tv and let that be the monetization page. Whatever you do get the extension in the public eye.

This is the best post in the thread. Everything finster says is 100 per cent spot on. You need to make things happen, not sit on your haunches and wait for things to happen. Get on with it!



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