What's happening to LL.coms?

[JohnPK]

UD.com just sold for $ 99,000 at SEDO
YB.com unsold at $ 125,000 (reserve not met)
ZR.com for sale at DNF with BIN set at $ 94K

IMHO the buyer of UD.com got a steal and honestly I'm a bit shocked to see LL.com's sell for such low prices. Untill now I thought these kind of domains were some of the safest bets in the game and even the worst two letter combinations (if there is such a thing as a low quality LL.com at all) would easily sell for 200k+ .

I'm also suprised to see so many of these rare gems for sale lately (same goes for LLL.coms).

Were 2-letter coms that much overrated in the past?
Are these just "panic sales" due to the bad economy (especially in the US) and everybody is fearing the next "bubble"?
I personally think that anybody selling a LL.com below 6 figures is just crazy. I wouldn't hesitate a second to buy one for 70k-90k and make a nice profit in 1-2 years. Or am I just completely wrong?


I'd really like to hear your opinions on this.
Where do you see the minimum (reseller) value at the moment and what do you expect for the next few years?

cheers
John

 

[gemstar]

UD.com just sold for $ 99,000 at SEDO
YB.com unsold at $ 125,000 (reserve not met)
ZR.com for sale at DNF with BIN set at $ 94K

IMHO the buyer of UD.com got a steal and honestly I'm a bit shocked to see LL.com's sell for such low prices. Untill now I thought these kind of domains were some of the safest bets in the game and even the worst two letter combinations (if there is such a thing as a low quality LL.com at all) would easily sell for 200k+ .

I'm also suprised to see so many of these rare gems for sale lately (same goes for LLL.coms).

Were 2-letter coms that much overrated in the past?
Are these just "panic sales" due to the bad economy (especially in the US) and everybody is fearing the next "bubble"?
I personally think that anybody selling a LL.com below 6 figures is just crazy. I wouldn't hesitate a second to buy one for 70k-90k and make a nice profit in 1-2 years. Or am I just completely wrong?


I'd really like to hear your opinions on this.
Where do you see the minimum (reseller) value at the moment and what do you expect for the next few years?

cheers
John

Economy plays a big factor.Many companies are downsizing and not looking to re-invest (hyphen :p ) into their companies untill the reccession gets a little better.

When Obama becomes the next persident good times are ahed again! Watch the money flow!Just like real estate the rich buy low then sell high!


(Not to mention OVER rated)

 

[-REECE-]

LL.coms were (and many still are) overrated.

It's silly to think any LL.com is worth 10 times more than a good LLL.com (and the same can be said with LLL.coms with respect to LLLL.coms).

Other than rarity, what exactly does YB.com offer in example that many LLL.coms don't? It sure doesn't offer more potential endusers, that's for sure.

This is somewhat the same statement I've been saying for awhile now with LLL.coms and LLLL.coms as well -- The best names don't fetch near the multiple of the worst names that they should and we can thank domainers for that.

Someone is living in a dreamworld if they think most LL.coms have better odds of finding an enduser than 10 strong LLL.coms. Likewise, I really don't see 10 strong LLL.coms comparing to 500 strong quad premium or 4000 strong triple premium LLLL.coms...

When someone starts paying 6 figures for an LL.com... That really is an enduser offer in itself and while there may be more endusers for LL.coms than LLL.coms or LLLL.coms, I highly doubt there are more endusers willing to spend 6 figures on an LL.com **especially in this uncertain economy** on a domain name than there are endusers willing to spend 4 or 5 figures on LLLL.coms and LLL.coms respectively.

UD.com just sold for $ 99,000 at SEDO
YB.com unsold at $ 125,000 (reserve not met)
ZR.com for sale at DNF with BIN set at $ 94K

IMHO the buyer of UD.com got a steal and honestly I'm a bit shocked to see LL.com's sell for such low prices. Untill now I thought these kind of domains were some of the safest bets in the game and even the worst two letter combinations (if there is such a thing as a low quality LL.com at all) would easily sell for 200k+ .

I'm also suprised to see so many of these rare gems for sale lately (same goes for LLL.coms).

Were 2-letter coms that much overrated in the past?
Are these just "panic sales" due to the bad economy (especially in the US) and everybody is fearing the next "bubble"?
I personally think that anybody selling a LL.com below 6 figures is just crazy. I wouldn't hesitate a second to buy one for 70k-90k and make a nice profit in 1-2 years. Or am I just completely wrong?


I'd really like to hear your opinions on this.
Where do you see the minimum (reseller) value at the moment and what do you expect for the next few years?

cheers
John

 

[gemstar]

Vanity domain I agree with reece :wave: :wave:

 

[Hopper]

Ok, I know very little about the LL.com market however the could the recent LH.com legal case have an impact on the market?

If your sat on a possible 100k domain that could be taken from you for FREE or cost you more than that to defend, would you not be tempted to cash in your asset and take the profit? Just a thought.

 

[gemstar]

Ok, I know very little about the LL.com market however the could the recent LH.com legal case have an impact on the market?

If your sat on a possible 100k domain that could be taken from you for FREE or cost you more than that to defend, would you not be tempted to cash in your asset and take the profit? Just a thought.

I would try to trademark it.Brand it then sell it. :blink:
If not cash out and invest the cash and make 10 times the return than holding onto it. :blink:

 

[-REECE-]

That's a good point Hopper. It's a lot less tempting to try reverse domain name hijacking on a name which is only worth a few thousand than on a name where the cost of a UDRP represents 1% of the value of a domain name.

Ok, I know very little about the LL.com market however the could the recent LH.com legal case have an impact on the market?

If your sat on a possible 100k domain that could be taken from you for FREE or cost you more than that to defend, would you not be tempted to cash in your asset and take the profit? Just a thought.

 

[bmugford]

I understand there are only 676, but they are overpriced. I mean how much more appealing is a LL.com than a LLL.com

Both are short and easy to remember.

 

[Hurley4540]

But 2 letter is better than 3 letter :p

 

[-REECE-]

Agree.

In terms of rarity, I would much rather have something like BBB.com than YB.com .

Snoop had FFF.com for sale a few weeks ago here -- not sure what it sold for, but it seems like it was a lot less than these lower quality LL.coms are fetching.

I understand there are only 676, but they are overpriced. I mean how much more appealing is a LL.com than a LLL.com

Both are short and easy to remember.

 

[Pred]

I understand there are only 676,

in theory thats the maximum, but i bet theres only a certain percentage actually 'out there', because of when they changed the rules. plus some actually dropped, never to be registered again

be interesting to know how many there are
if you're gonna spend 90k up just to cashout later, thats a chunk of money to tie up
you would/should only buy one of these if you yourself have a plan for it. even if it is to tm it, develop it and add a lot of value through deevlopment. to sit on it is nuts for all the reverse hijacking reasons, also the fact in the short term at least values will go down imo
not cos they're not worth it, but for the same reason houses are going down. people cant get credit and theres far better and more important things to spend your wad on right now than these
having said all that we'd all love one lol
but in hte same way i would rather pay 20k for the right lll.com i would rather pay 150k for the right ll.com, than pay 80k just so i could say i owned a 'll.com'

anyway. who says i aint got one?
:blink:

 

[Kate]

Not every corporation can afford trophy names... that's what LL.com are essentially %%-

 

[snoop]

The market is crashing back to reality in my view, ll.com/lll.com/llll.com have all fallen heavily in the last 4-5 months after bucking the downward trend the rest of the market saw in the first few months of this year. All the myths, hype and hope that ll.com/lll.com were some kind of "gold standard" that doesn't fall has not panned out.

Not every corporation can afford trophy names... that's what LL.com are essentially %%-

That is pretty much it, in a recession trophy names don't count for much, people want substance, revenue. Domainers can't afford the trophy names at 2007 prices either.

 

[cityforums.com]

I think end user supply and demand are a factor ...

how many companies will be able to use ZR.com for example ?

 

[Chappy]

Simply put, LL.com continue to be the true diamonds of the domain world. They are extremely limited in supply and not subject to any language barriers. The result is the largest population of potential customers anywhere in the world. The downside is that they are not immune to TM infringement attacks as we have seen lately.

YB.com - $125K? Absolute bargain.

 

[ssamriga]

I understand there are only 676...

I think there are less than 676, some LL.coms are gone and unavailable, or is it only with L.coms?

I agree that the best LLLs are better than worst LLs, though owning a two letter .com is still very cool just to show off...

 

[snoop]

YB.com - $125K? Absolute bargain.

Given several have been selling and are currently being offered in the 90-130k range how was this an absolute bargain? In comparison to what other sales?

 

[Chappy]

Given several have been selling and are currently being offered in the 90-130k range how was this an absolute bargain? In comparison to what other sales?

Sorry, I was being a little facetious, but I do actually think it is a fair price. Ask YellowBook...

I haven't seen any offered under 6-figures (except ZR.com which appears to have an extremely motivated seller, plus it has a "z" - probably the worst letter and far worse than "y" in my opinion). Maybe I missed some cheaper offerings...

 

[higgsmedia.com]

wow good info

 

[Pred]

one thing I'm pleased about seeing though on reseller market is whilst LL.com come down, L-L.com are going up :sold:
probably the only domains that are :wave: