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Whats going on with Epik and Rob Monster?

Located in Reviews started by MapleDots, Mar 20, 2019.

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  1. whenpillarsfall

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    You wanted to talk about me being a bigot and gave three bits of evidence..

    That I'd called all religious people mentally ill

    That I'd claimed in a derogatory way that religious people were diseased.

    That I'd claimed in a derogatory way that religious people were infectious.

    You then called me a bigot.

    I responded to these points.

    You are now jumping around all over the place again. Let's focus on the last post.
     
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  2. Slanted

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    I addressed those at the top of my "wall of text" that you're too lazy to read.
     
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    You posted the same quotes I'd already posted. I'd explained why your presentation of them was flawed. You haven't addressed.

    Let's try again...


    I never said religious people were infectious or diseased in the manner you state. My phrasing was:

    ...the only one suggesting violence. If someone you knew had an infectious disease (which religion is) would you kill them or try and cure them?...

    For context, this was in response to YOU suggesting that my dislike of religion meant that I secretly desired to kill or hurt religious people 'to get rid of the poison'. You introduced the idea!

    Notice how I say religion is infectious? Please point to my quote where I said religious people were infectious or diseased in the derogatory manner you claim? Oh wait, you can't.

    You seem to flip flop between wanting to be very precise about language, and then just loosely paraphrasing me to try and put words in my mouth.

    On the topic of being mentally unwell, I only referred to Rob and his wider behaviour (which was what caused this thread to be created).

    I said :

    Replace God with any other entity and people would consider him seriously mentally ill.

    Please point me to the quote where I said all religious people are mentally ill? Oh wait, you can't. Technically I didn't even say Rob was.
     
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  7. Rob Monster

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    The irony of a few articulate atheists debating religion is pretty thick. For the casual observers trying to make sense of this intellectual "rap battle", just remember to not throw out the baby with bathwater!

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  9. whenpillarsfall

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    I'm glad you're so concerned with my sleeping habits, but I think this is what they call deflection.

    I'm staying up for the EU election results, if you must know.
     
  10. Slanted

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    Seriously? You're accusing ME of deflection? Irony isn't your strong suit.

    Here was my last post of substance:

    https://www.namepros.com/threads/wh...-and-rob-monster.1128748/page-66#post-7252690

    Rather than respond to it, you ran away, calling it a "wall of text" and making 6 different subsequent posts – which were all devoid of substance or merely copied and pasted the same text from earlier – in order to deflect attention from what you're afraid to answer.
     
  11. whenpillarsfall

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    Whilst I hate having to agree with @Rob Monster, this has descended into farce.

    I'm no longer willing to convince you I don't believe the things you say I believe. You can think whatever you want about my thoughts. You're wrong, but it's not worth the energy anymore.
     
  12. Slanted

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    You are welcome to run away conclusively. But if you come back, then I will continue challenging you to answer questions and point out when you run away again.
     
  13. whenpillarsfall

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    I love the fact you think you somehow won something. Your insane logical reductionism combined with you're contant reinterpretation of what you think I said has made this a farce.

    If you want the last post because you think it will make your Internet dick look bigger, reply away...
     
  14. Slanted

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    Winning an argument against you would be nothing to boast of. Shooting fish in a barrel.

    Just a reminder, here is the post that you are running away from:

    https://www.namepros.com/threads/wh...-and-rob-monster.1128748/page-66#post-7252690
     
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  15. TCK

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    No it is not. What is your definition of a bully. Is it just one particular member? Or more? Does it include me?

    You are sounding more and more combative. Why is that?

    I wouldn't be proud of that. It's active for all the wrong reasons. Like an accident on the side of the road, you just can't look away.
     
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  16. Slanted

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    What are you confused about? Since you say my criticizing bigoted views already has not been sufficiently clear for you, you must have some question. If so, ask it.

    This thread has dragged on from March to April to May, and it is included harassment from a lot of bullies. I don't remember all your posts very clearly after all this time. So I wouldn't be able to comment regarding whether or not you have bullied anybody. I was referring to @whenpillarsfall. He was denigrating religious beliefs as a bigot and a bully.

    I spent a week dealing with one especially dense person here on NamePros. It's tedious, and I'm naturally annoyed with that fellow. Why are you picking arguments with me now?
     
  17. TCK

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    Bigots are not people you disagree with. You should have stronger ground for calling someone a bigot. If you do, then make that position solid.

    Calling someone a bully in this time and age is something serious. If you are not certain, then don't call anyone a bully. If you are being harassed then report it to the admins.

    Why do you allow anyone to annoy you? Just stop following this thread. That's what I did. It was great. Feel refreshed coming back. I'm not trying to pick an argument with you but I have noticed you do sound more combative. Calling people bigots and bullies. Maybe you need to step away for a while.
     
  18. Slanted

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    Now you're being lazy. Read this:

    https://www.namepros.com/threads/wh...-and-rob-monster.1128748/page-66#post-7252584

    After you've read it, you can apologize. Or not.

    Please answer this Yes / No question: Someone who says that Religion is a Mental Illness, a Poison, and an infectious Disease – if he is doing so merely to insult and harass religious people and is not willing to present any serious case for those ideas – is he behaving as a bully? Yes or no? Explain.

    What makes you think I wasn't certain? Why do you think I was referring to you? I wasn't. You seem to be a bit paranoid. Very clearly, I was referring to @whenpillarsfall.

    Bullies annoy me. Bigots annoy me. Trump annoys me. Why do you care who annoys me?

    You are very clearly trying to pick an argument with me. Why? Nobody else is even talking.

    If you have something to say, then say it. You declared that it was INSUFFICIENT for me to have criticized bigotry during the past 3 months within this thread – that my having done so remained unclear for you. And I invited you to ask a question. Well?

    Honestly, I'm not sure what the purpose of your past few posts is. You seem to want to start something, but what?
     
  19. TCK

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    You know what, you are wasting a lot of unwarranted energy with this. This is not a bully. Frankly, I don't understand why you are so invested in this discussion or argument. People have their opinion on religion and that is their right. Free speech, no? Religion has played a major role in The Inquisition, World Wars 1 and 2, as well as other wars and murders during the Middle Age. Christianity became adulterated with pagan beliefs during the Roman empirical reign. The Catholic Holy Roman Empire has a seat at the United Nations. Child abuse scandals at the hands of priests. People have a right to be angry with religion.

    The posts that @Rob Monster made regarding the New Zealand mosque killer are far more incendiary. As well as his posts about flat earth, etc. So these things don't add up.
     
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  20. Slanted

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    How is that any of your business? And why are you now insisting that I waste more time by paying attention to you?

    It was a conversation between me and someone else. May I ask why YOU are so invested in prolonging it now that it has ended?

    Of course. What's your point?

    Of course. What's your point?

    I criticized Rob's action and statements months ago. And I resigned from working at Epik. What's your point?

    As for Rob's flat earth theory and other conspiracy theories, I consider them self-evidently absurd. You would agree, I presume. Do you believe I have some obligation to comment on every private opinion Rob may utter in public?

    What does that have to do with anything I have said during the past week? I was debating whether all Religion = Poison. Whether Religion is or causes a Mental Illness. Whether Religion is a contagious Plague.

    Do you believe those things yourself? If not, then what is your objection to me calling out a bigot who says those things?

    Should someone use Rob Monster (one individual with personal opinions) to disparage all religion? Or should Rob Monster's individual choices be ascribed to all religion, rather than being left as a matter of personal responsibility for Rob? That @whenpillarsfall guy didn't care about the issues involving Epik or Rob Monster at all. He hadn't even read this thread sufficiently to realize that I was formerly Epik's Director of Operations – not until today, 1 week into his attack against Religion itself, when he suddenly began implying that I'm immoral for having worked at Epik. Now that that guy is gone, with his irrelevant anti-religious obsession, this thread can focus on its central issues, if there is anything left to be said. Do you object to that?

    Clearly you are trying to pick a fight of some sort. Explain yourself.
     
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  21. TCK

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    Just chill out for now. I will elaborate in due time.

    If that is the case why do you feel the need to post so much? Is Joseph Peterson in control of this account? Or is it under the control of Epik?
     
  22. Slanted

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    What makes you think I'm not "chilling out"? I'm in bed, as a matter of fact. Just finished watching a movie and was responding to you during a pause midway through the film to make tea.

    Oooooo! How exciting! A teaser trailer! We'll all be waiting with bated breath!

    If you have any point at all, why can't you make it after 3 or 4 consecutive posts?

    Really, it's very strange to see you trying ineffectually to start some sort of argument with me.

    First, you pretended to be offended that I had called a bully a bully – imagining that the comment was aimed at you, even though I hadn’t been talking to you at all.

    https://www.namepros.com/threads/wh...-and-rob-monster.1128748/page-67#post-7252799

    That didn’t work, so you changed gears and tried to pick a fight because I had called a bigot a bigot. But you hadn’t read enough to know what you were talking about. So that deflated instantly.

    https://www.namepros.com/threads/wh...-and-rob-monster.1128748/page-67#post-7252829

    Then you tried a 3rd route to pick a fight, criticizing me for my own choice to spend time pushing back against a bully and bigot. And at the same time, you criticized me for NOT talking about Rob Monster’s tweet about the New Zealand massacre – which isn’t currently a topic of conversation. I said a lot about that in March. But it’s almost June. Seems like beating a dead horse at this point.

    https://www.namepros.com/threads/wh...-and-rob-monster.1128748/page-67#post-7252867

    So you have cycled through 3 or 4 different attempts to pick a fight with me – for unknown reasons.

    Honestly, at this point, I can’t remember clearly who you are. Literally. There was a guy a month or 2 ago who was trying to promote his own blog (with articles about Rob Monster) in this thread.

    Are you that guy? I think you must be. Because that fellow was constantly confusing Rob Monster and Joseph Peterson. He was constantly circling back to his own nutty conspiracy theories, saying that I was secretly coordinating with Rob to post in NamePros or that I was Rob Monster wearing a mask. It was ludicrous, since Rob and I disagree drastically; and our posts are utterly dissimilar. But that guy – you? – wouldn’t let go of this “idée fixe”. No matter how many times I emphasized that all my posts are me acting freely as an individual, and that there is zero coordination with Rob Monster, and no secret plan, he kept on and on with his paranoid fantasy.

    Are you THAT guy? If so, that explains why you’re trying to pick a fight. I disliked him a lot. And I let him know it. So he’d probably be vindictive.
     
  23. TCK

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    Not an image I wanted. But you do sound very combative.

    Supports my point.

    Again, another statement that makes my point but does not answer the question.

    Who are you? Please state your identity if you are honest.
     
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    Yes, you ARE that guy!

    What paranoid delusion are you suffering from? Who do you THINK I am?

    I'm stunned that you're back at this conspiracy theory of yours. But some people are beyond help.
     
  25. TCK

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    Still refusing to directly answer. Are you sure you want to pursue this road?
     

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