discuss What Are You? A Domainer or a Domain Originator?

[ThatNameGuy]

A Speculator? A Creator? A Developer? A Investor? A Artist? A Domainer? or none of the aforementioned? I'm about to register a couple of domain names that clarifies exactly who I am, and I'm proud of it. Having hand registered 1,500 domains in the last 12 months I've finally determined I'm a Domain Originator and not a a domainer (which still isn't a word btw). One would have thought that leaders in this industry would have clarified this by now?

Originator defined: a person who creates or initiates something.

Domainer defined: No Definition....sad

I've been creating names for businesses all my life, and it wasn't until recently that I started creating domain names. There's really little difference imho, and I feel I'm getting better at it every day.

So I'm a Domain Originator similar to a Mortgage Originator. I create internet domain names for .coms etc. I also recently originated the name DomainOrigination(.)com to coincide with DomainOriginator(.)com. Google shows that both Wiki and Investopedia have a page description for "Mortgage Originator" but none for Domainer or Domain Originator

For those of you who create domains like me (keeping in mind every domain was created by someone), now you can proudly say you're a Domain Originator adding credibility to your profession

If you create domains like me, share your profession with the world. I know I will.

Crappy domains? I think not, but what do I know....I'm just a newbie who hasn't a clue

Cheers Everyone!

 

[bmugford]

I don't really care about labels. I make a living buying and selling domains.
Call it what you want.

Brad

 

[bmugford]

In the field of psychology, the Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which people of low ability have illusory superiority and mistakenly assess their cognitive ability as greater than it is.

 

[NYJimbo]

a Domain Originator adding credibility to your profession

I think a "Domain Originator" creates names, sells them and can prove they made the sale, then that adds credibility to you and your profession. On the other hand a person who constantly pats themselves on the back for registering domains they THINK are good but do not sell (or cannot prove they have sold), lacks any credibility.

So someone who is always registering names that don't sell and who is desperately trying to show his peers what a genius he is, is really a fraud.

Discuss.....

 

[bmugford]

Domain investor is a better term and is a lot more explanatory than "Domain Originator".

Brad

 

[bmugford]

 

[JB Lions]

Hi there...are you Tarek? The reason I ask is I learned who you are from your website @ChicagoLandAdvertising(.)com. Tarek, before I get into your comments about my appearing to be pompous, arrogant and condescending, I just wanted you to know that I didn't say I'd originated the domain StartUpsInternational(.) com, however I did say that I had "registered" it, and I even referred to it as a RescueDomain.....please reread my post. When I visited your site Tarek I see where you have more of a local focus for the Chicago area, and your domain name reflects it. I also noticed that your site (clean and sharp btw) caters to local businesses and even states, "Ask about our Small business Startup Packages Starting at $15 a month." Since you may have gotten a taste of what I'm thinking regarding local startups under the rescue domain, StartUpsInternational(.)com, maybe we should talk, but that's up to you.

Moving on, we all miscommunicate things when we read, write and even speak every day. My troubles, challenges, opportunities first started here on NP when I was falsely accused of cyber squatting and criminal activity due to my name being "Richard Morris", and a particular member from downunder believing the individual in this UDPR filing was me:http://www.adrforum.com/Domaindecisions/1093690.htm Tarek, between the states of Virginia and North Carolina I would venture to say there are more than 25 Richard Morris's, and the Richard Morris in this filing is not me....I swear to God. Ever since, I've been targeted by this member and other members who believe and support her. Bottomline, that's what this is all about, and I can tell you more via messaging, or via your personal email if you would like, for this is not the place to discuss it. Thanks Tarek, and it's nice to meet you.

Do you know after a year, you're not even setup to sell? I took a look at a couple of your hand regs:

http://www.shellyeh.com

http://briefReleaf.com

They go to a GoDaddy page where somebody has to click:

Learn how you can get this domain »

Which goes to a Domain Buy Service where somebody has to spend $49.99 just for a broker to contact you:

"One of our personal domain brokers will contact the current owner to see if he or she is willing to sell the domain name you want. We'll do all we can to get the name at the lowest possible price for you. The Domain Buy Service fees do not include the cost of the domain name."

That's more of a hindrance for you in getting a sale. You should spend your time getting all your domains setup so people can actually make offers/buy.

 

[NickB]

WOW!!!! HOLY CRAP....am I drawing a lot of attention or what

Here's an example of DomainOrigination.com at work....Enjoy!

https://www.linkedin.com/in/richard-morris-227a6918/ Any questions????

I am never going to be a fan and I have crossed the line when commenting on your threads before, but I will keep this on point.

The attention you are getting is the WRONG kind! (Please don't reply back with any publicity is good publicity)

I would of thought with the experience you have, building a network within the industry and learning from proven successful people would of been a top priority. Instead you have created a reputation for yourself where people are tearing holes out of you and the advice that has been given is dismissed out of hand and disparaged.

All of these threads show on Google and it is not hard to search for, this means your name is being attached to all of this which can't be good.

I mean not everyone agrees with everyone, but the way you deliberately antagonise people is baffling - what are you hoping to achieve?

I have read through this thread and I still can't tell if you have actually sold any names?

 

[hawkeye]

Both domains have been registered and dropped before. DomainOriginator has changed hands many times.

You did NOT originate either one. Not sure why you are throwing your money away, but heck, its your money.

Now wait, are you suggesting that someone could have regged this domain before our resident naming expert did? Like 15 years ago! That couldn't be possible, because our naming expert has named many businesses before, and as an 'domain originator', no one would have the foresight to think of names on par with his 'years' of naming expertise.

 

[creataweb]

<--- Hobbyist

 

[NYJimbo]

Bob Schaeffer, realtor bought two domains from me, H2OFrontRealty.com for $2,500 and SexSea.Realty for $2,500. Then Milt Martin, developer and investor bought FirstCarMemories.com for $2,500, and H2ODiet.com for $2,500.

LOL, these are really pathetic domains too. Funny how all were all sold for $2,500 each.

I could understand if they were recent sales and still were unchanged, hell I got two sales that the new buyers hasnt done anything with. But thats a couple weeks, not SIX or SEVEN months.

Domain Name: H2OFRONTREALTY.COM
Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.epik.com
Registrar URL: http://www.epik.com
Updated Date: 2018-03-23T01:50:04Z
Creation Date: 2018-03-23T01:50:04Z​

So Bulloney reg;'d this in March, sold it and yet its still in his possession ?

Still no proof of any sales. Bulloney is full of himself.

 

[JB Lions]

You wrote:
“Ok...this should make you very happy....Bob Schaeffer, realtor bought two domains from me, H2OFrontRealty.com for $2,500 and SexSea.Realty for $2,500. Then Milt Martin, developer and investor bought FirstCarMemories.com for $2,500, and H2ODiet.com for $2,500. For any further information contact me personally. Very simple...there you have it....like it, or ???????????. Cheers!”

I directly asked him before. He did mention he had a couple of friends invest $10,000, those amounts above in the quote equal $10,000. I mean really - SexSea.Realty for $2,500. Does that look like a real sale?

So I think they gave him 10K after he gave his spiel about new gtlds, they believed him, gave him 10K to invest, he gave them those 4 domains and put them at 2.5 k each in return.

And Epik, that's where he said he buys his domains from.

And Domain Originator is a horrible name. Buy and sell domains, domain investor (what was posted already) explains it just fine, makes sense.

Then this from the other thread:

"I'm also looking at business lawyers from around the country, and advertising firms to help me sell domains. And similar to the real estate broker and salesperson split, it would be 30 -40% for the salesperson and 60-70% for me. This might not make sense to you MapleDots, but it makes perfect sense to me."

What? These are 1,500 hand regs, no sales, no inbound inquiries, 1,200 he said he might drop. So somebody out there is going to spend time trying to sell hand regs?

 

[hawkeye]

CannaTuna
CannaFigs
CannaCasserole

DopeyStuff, DopeyDomains

CannaSpam. How about Can of Spam?

But you have to understand his reasoning (if that's possible.) As he explained and schooled others, Canna means, wait for it.....'Can Of'. (One can't make these things up. ) What more can be said, he's a 'Domain Originator' who has 'centuries' of naming experience. ""

 

[bmugford]

I think that what we call ourselves does matter, and it might be a way to build our personal brand to use a term that accurately describes us and differentiates us from others.

Bulloney can have the term "Domain Originator".

Domain Originator is a good term to describe someone who has regged 1500+ domains with no verifiable sales. You certainly can't be called an investor as the money is only going one direction.

Since I am someone who actually has made a sale, many of them, I use the term domain investor. It is far more explanatory.

Brad

 

[Satyajit Adhikary]

That way you can create your own dictionary too and call yourself word-originator..!! A person who creates word.

IMO Any kind of creation would be justified only when it benefits a person..!!

There is no pride in creating something new unless it fulfills a purpose..!!

So, ask yourself, what purpose are those 1500 domains serving currently?!?

Doesn't matter whether you are a domainer or domain investor or domain originator..Are you a domain seller?? Do your domain sells?? Because in the long term, we all are here for this specific purpose..!!

 

[carob]

Ok folks I am a Domain Terminator. I grab them tight and then they drop.

Well I was going to say "I'll be back" but I'm not, I'm unsubscribing from this thread because it is will be just another rerun of the endless competition of "I'm a better domainer than you." No money in that.

 

[NYJimbo]

So you're a lawyer parsing words from over four months ago. You should really know better, but I would like to thank you for the publicity. Maybe you should sue me

So you admitted 4 months ago you have yet to sell one domain.Okay, now you hint that something changed in the past 4 months ? Fine, but until you post the name of one domain you have sold in the past 4 months, nobody should take you or your "stratagies" seriously.

Additionally, when people post some criticism of your techniques, it is not "publicity". I really don't know why you start these threads, only to be proven to have bad ideas and you still have no proof of any sales.

Until you post ONE sale with the usual info, you are just hand regging for fun. Nothing different than the guy who comes here with a dozen terrible domains and learns nothing about the business.

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ps: "So I'm a Domain Originator similar to a Mortgage Originator. I create internet domain names for .coms etc. " - Not the same thing at all.

 

[JayT]

GD appraisal seems to be a common topic here. Can we please stop citing it...like, as a community? Lowly domainers rely on these appraisals to try selling domains for the low x,xxx appraisal value while spamming potential endusers via email.

Personally, I'd like to sell my domains for high xx,xxx, and wouldn't particularly like a buyer citing an automated appraisal, as if it has any reasoning or reliability for determining value. However, as long as domainers are citing these appraisal tools, we're suggesting these tools reflect shred of reality to the value of a domain. It's hurting US ALL more than anything.

 

[offthehandle]

The June thread linked above in this thread months ago listed (4) domains you supposedly sold for $2500 each. Whats the development delay? Buyers remorse?

You wrote:
“Ok...this should make you very happy....Bob Schaeffer, realtor bought two domains from me, H2OFrontRealty.com for $2,500 and SexSea.Realty for $2,500. Then Milt Martin, developer and investor bought FirstCarMemories.com for $2,500, and H2ODiet.com for $2,500. For any further information contact me personally. Very simple...there you have it....like it, or ???????????. Cheers!”

Yet as of this moment all still remain unused and parked (3) at Epik and (1) at Godaddy.

The same hoopla thing you appear to do is sorta an beginners version of the technique a few other people do, create blog and twitter announcements, create hype, start the domain musical chairs game or sell to their friends for “price discovery.” If you want to get in their well known club, you should send off your sales documents so they can be published. Maybe add a couple zeros behind those prices on your invoices too next time you sell to your friends. You should list them on the infamous auction platforms too for more publicity.

I guess these customers were really anxious and planning big things for these, and need months of coding and planning for a H20 Diet or a local Realty website... or were they simply speculating?

 

[MapleDots]

MapleDots or MetBob...I do have a question that maybe you can help me with, and it's because I'm still learning...I just registered the name GamesWithNames(.)com about 3 hours ago. When I checked to see if it was previously owned here is what I found; http://www.hosterstats.com/historicaldns.php?domain=gameswithnames.com

It appears this name was bought and sold or changed hands five times since 2002. I think I know what to read into it, but what would you read into it? It's interesting that MakeSomethingHappen(.)com that I registered September 1, 2001 is valued at GD for almost $3,000, but GamesWithNames(.)com is valued at GD for $798. Why do you think the big disparity because I think GamesWithNames(.)com has a lot more potential for branding and or a business model than MakeSomethingHappen(.)com. I'd just appreciate your input. Thanks

It's the same reason why a restaurant will go out of business in a strip mall and right away the next one will move in thinking they can do better. They go under and I shake my head as a third one goes into the exact same spot. I always ask myself why they would think they can make a go of it when the first two did not.

Kind of similar with that domain and godaddy is correct in pricing it lower.
As far as MakeSomethingHappen, unfortunately regardless of the godaddy tool I think it's too long to reap any big profits even in .com. MakeITHappen would be better.

Personally I don't think you can go too wrong registering catch phrases in .com (lets face it at 3 words you can call them phrases) but I sure would be taking the advice of some of the members here on the other TLD's. The new extensions do stand to make money but you need word.ext not mygreatword.ex

My advice.... stay focused on .com, your country code of origin, and ONE word extensions in the new stuff. These are your greatest odds at realizing a profit at the end of the year.

 

[bmugford]

MapleDots...I know I can't be all things to all people, but my idea would be to develop Games with Names with a partner who shares my vision. The right partner could own 40 to 50% at first and eventually own the whole thing. I'll be 71 Saturday, and I could make it very interesting. The second option would be to start developing it, and sell it with a business plan to someone who gets it. Thanks

I have seen you talk about hundreds of different projects here on NamePros.
You should actually follow through on one.

That is a bum deal. No one is going to put in time and effort when all you are putting in is some marginal hand reg domain. If someone actually wanted to do that type of project there are endless alternative domains.

It basically seems like you register a domain because you have an idea, then move on when you find another domain. In the meantime you have collected 1500+ domains with no buyers.

Brad

 

[JB Lions]

Addict...I can afford to buy my own domains and pay a premium if I wanted to. The 12-15K that I've spent buying domains pales in comparison to the 2,000 plus hours I've spent learning this business. To insinuate that I don't know what I'm doing is an insult to my intelligence and my 50 plus years of practical business experience. I'm famous for saying, "I wasn't born yesterday", and it's a FACT that I was born 71 years ago on Saturday October 20th. Finally, I can assure you and anyone else reading this I understand ROI far better than anyone on this blog. Have a nice evening, and good luck with your spinning..

The reality is that you have been insulting people's intelligence since the day you joined. People that actually do buy and SELL domains. It's not insinuating when you yourself said that you're not selling any domains. It's not insinuating that you said you were going to drop 75%-80% of your domains, you said that. It's like a broken record with you talking about your past. How many times do you think you've posted that? So far that experience is not translating over to this business. Your ego is getting in the way.

 

[bmugford]

He might be banned from NamePros for the 3rd (or 4th) time now, but that did not stop him from spamming me with an unsolicited email this morning talking about his 10 most recent registrations. I saw some others on the CC like Recons, Rob Monster, etc.

Brad

I have now received (6) emails from Richard with several other people CCed as well.

I am not interested in these unsolicited spam emails. I am sure Bulloney is reading this, but can't respond as he was banned yet again.

The funny thing is when I responded asking to be removed from the email chain, I got the following response from his server -

Your message was rejected for possible spam/virus content.

Here you go Bulloney, here is the email I sent to you -

Number of domains bought - 1500+
Number of domains sold - 0
Number of times banned from NamePros - 3

Make some actual sales and people might care. Otherwise you are just
collecting domains that are not assets, but liabilities.

Please remove me from this email chain. I don't feel like receiving daily
unsolicited email updates.

Thanks,
Brad

 

[JB Lions]

For the record, this is vacation/temp ban #5. It usually lasts about a month. He usually comes back, takes it slow at the beginning, then back to the usual stuff that gets him breaks. He can still read threads like this one. I'm not sure why he is spending his time emailing folks and still buying new domains. I think he really should take this time and do what I touched on earlier. Again, after a year, he still hasn't uploaded his domains to marketplaces like Sedo, Afternic, GoDaddy etc. He still has sales killing landing pages where people have to pay somebody $40 just to contact him. He should be figuring out what kind of landing page he wants. He's just not setup to sell anything if someone somehow manages to land on one of his domains. That should be priority #1 right now.

 

[NYJimbo]

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