advice We'll register all 7N.com - We need your help (Not your money)

[DomainEmpire.com]

Before starting to share with you what we're going to do, I'd like to ask to all skeptics to avoid any possible negative comment because we're just asking for your help (as you'll read below), not for your money

This's a stange but true story of course even if I'll not share all details of it to safeguard the privacy of the interested parties.

One month ago, a friend of mine knew a rich businessman to a business seminar in Rome (Italy) so they took a coffee together and talked for few hours about multiple topics.
This person explained he's actually leading multiple successful companies (in diff. fields) with a turnover of few million euros per month.

He loves the capitalism but he's even more interested in new ways to invest his funds for an easy and high return.
He loves the risk especially where there's a chance to quintuple a big capital in few months.

Few days ago, I talked again with my friend about his businessman and I spend few hours to explain him what "web domains" are, the big speculation around this market etc .. ok he learned a lot by me so we decided to approach again "his new friend" to propose him a big and ambitious project: registering all remaining 7N.com (excl those with 0-4) to dominate the niche.

Well, he had a first long phone chat with this businessman, he knoe what "domains" are but not the market around them and not even about the growing numeric market.
Now he wants to meet again my friend to discuss more in details the whole project and he'll come with other 2 rich partners.
We've given him a general idea of the needed investment before calculating the number of available 7N etc ... $15M
He didn't get impressed especially when my friend explained it's a totally legit activity and once we'll have reserved all these numbers, their market value will instantly start to grow.

Now he wants to know more details about this project and we're working on them.
He advanced we'll not administer his money (obviously) but his lawyer will do it by following carefully our instructions.
There're still many steps to follow, to write a legal agreement which will safeguard the interest of the involved parties etc ...

If he'll agree to move forward, this will probably happens in the first week of December.
My friend explained him this's a middle term investment but he confirmed to have no hurry to monetize the important is to have a way to verify his investment is getting a good return in terms of value of the acquired assets (as he called the "domains").

I know this will be an hard venture, we'll have to ask for the cooperation of our Gd agent to register a so big number of domains by getting directly in touch with the lawyer who'll adminster the funds etc ...

Ok this's our problem but if the investment should go through, "all players will benefit" by the growing value of this niche.

Why am I sharing this story with you ?
We've no way to check the availability of a so big number of domains and not even a way to be sure to have extracted all 7N without 0-4

May someome confirm the number if possible 7N combimation excluding 0-4 ?
We should be aroud 2,097.730 (more or less) but I'm not a mathematician so I've used some complex techniques to setup this list.

If someone has a way to quickly check their availability and to supply the full available list, we'd appreciate it.
Here's the full list of 7N (excl 0-4) that I've created: www.dnempire.com/7n.rar

If you can help with the following steps, the game will start soon

You can email the list to: domainsales (at) domainempire.com

***Last second update:
We've just been confirmed that 7N w/out 0-4 are exactly 2097152 so we only need your help to find a way to check for their availability in bulk in order to give an estimate budget to our investor even if every week some dozens of thousands are sold out.
The easy way will be to ask to our Gd agent/Gd staff to grab all the available ones at the time of receipt of the funds but I must know first how many of them are still available and "a first version" of the list if someone knows how doing this job

 

[DomainEmpire.com]

Hi all,

Sorry for the late reply, I've been busy elsewhere but now I see it's time for a public clarification of this whole matter.

Firstly, I'm not a scammer and I find offensive such accusations because I'd have no advantage in exposing publicly my company and my reputation with a stupid useless scam from whom we'd have made absolutely no profit.

There're some good reasons (apart knowing your opinions) if we've decided to make the whole thing public in advance and surely not to convince others to start grabbing random 7N in bulk before our final buy out (you've already had your chances to grab some of the best available patterns in the latest weeks).
We've also made public a list of the best ones still available for registration just few weeks ago here in the forum and with no personal profit considering those patterns were of first quality (with formats like 1222825 or 2588385 ... you got the point).
If our intention would have just been to convince you to invest heavily on 7N, we'd have just proposed to do that without using a so dirty tactic.

But now let's go back to the original thread.
It's correct, we're in touch with a rich businessman with important financial resources who knows absolutely nothing about this market and who's just looking for new profitable and safe investments for its capitals (do you see it as something of unrealistic ?)

My friend has just called this person a couple of times (long calls) to start explaining in general lines what we were going to propose him, he's ready to meet him with other 2 partners to furtherly clarify all the ascpects of this business.
He has no issue in investing few millions on something (this's the point), he knows nothing about numbers so our role will be to convince him about the advantages of such investment just because we believe in it but we'll also sign a disclaimer to assume no responsibility about the future evolution of this market so he'll decide freely if moving forward or quitting this investment idea.

If you see the whole thing from the wrong perspective, it might appear as unrealistic and expensive (he'd buy only numbers, that's correct) but we've a diff. point of view, follow me.
Let's say we'll still find 1M of available numbers and we'll acquire them (once he should agree to invest an average of $8/9M in this deal, we'll approach few registrar for a quote).

Basically it's like playing to a lottery or going to a casino, this's the real point.
Once this buy out will have completed, market prices will start to raise so he'll logically see a first advantage in having invested a so large amount.
Going forward with the clarification, this's not a cybersquatting activity, let's be honest because we've just grabbing numbers (not generic words, company names or long acronyms potentially trademarked by others) so what do you see of illicit in such activity ?
We're not stealing something and we're not indirectly influencing the stock market (which might be unethical), it's just a game where we're playing a licit game with licit money; are we violating any international law ?

We're playing for profit and this's correct; do you see anything wrong in this concept ?
If this deal will go through, we'll probably dominate half of the 7N market but it's just a game, we're not affecting any existing business with it nor we're subtracting to other internet users something of precious considering such numbers have been unclaimed and unregistered for years

Now, why have we done this whole matter public ? Just to share with you all our big enthusiasm and to collect some feedback because we're not secretly planning the acquisition of a big company, we're just planning to enter in this game with some important capitals so there's no secret here considering no game is fun if played alone ... Don't you agree ?

Part of the original idea was to show him this posting too (with all your feedbacks) but it's no longer a good idea at this point considering it might affect negatively his opinion of this "new game".

I think someone is taking too seriously this matter instead of calling it with its real name: a game.

I'll reveal you something more: we had no reason to create a panic situation by announcing this imminent buy out because the 7N registrations ae moving fast quite quickly since the second half of August (basing on our studies on some samples of 50/60k random numbers).
Every week 10/30/+k of them get registered and you might have your own way to verify that.

Obviously I thank the people who believed in our idea and offered their help to make it happening.
Once again, I can't know for sure this will happen but surely our intentions are serious even if the final decision will not be ours.

We'll try to speed up things but we're always talking of an investment of few millions (something of normal for this person but I don't think he'll accept to invest next week on a market totally unknown to him ... We'll just do our best to make the dream become true soon).
We'll soon update this thread with the new developments.

We've an evident advantage, getting a lifetime 10% rev-share on all profits deriving by this investment but it's important to clarify (once again) it's all theorical for now but considering he loves risky investments when the chances to quintiple a so big capital are high ... Who knows what will happen.

 

[Bram]

The unconvincing part is you are unable find available 7Ns while planning to spend millions to register them. I'm sorry but it seems to me that you are just looking for list of all available 7Ns, probably to register some good ones.

 

[indiegrind]

I see both sides.

If a domain category becomes hot, we ALL want the opportunity and the foresight to register as many of the best names in that category that we can afford. Most of us can become players in the market, but cannot afford to invest in such a scope that we manipulate the market.

The market will likely be consumed by domain investors anyway. We might not have the intent of personally having a hand in making sure these domains become scarce and artificially inflating the value, but all of us who are snatching up these names are betting that it will happen and investing with the hope of benefiting from it.

 

[artstar]

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Perspective : lets say 100 million end users in china. A very small percentage of the population of 3 billion
Go even further buy up all the 8 and 9 combos too. Numbers are the communication tool.
Now that your convinced, you should also buy up all of the short NNL, LLN NLN, LNL combos in .com, .net,.org too as they are selling well on the chinese market places. Don't stop there. buy up all of the left over 4N 5N 6N 7N 8N 9N's in .top .xin, .co, .win which are also popular in the chinese market.
Almost forgot you may need a chinese partner to divest.
The strategy is somewhat flawed given all of the other combos available.
I am happy to have a 10% commission on the money your investor saves by saying no.
I hope you have the ethics to present the whole picture.
Cheers !

Hmm China has approx 1.3 billion as a correction as if it matters lol!

 

[Ms Domainer]

It looks strange to me, but when I thought over it, I realized that it will definitely pay him off. Think of it this way; if very few people are holding the keys of world virtual properties in their archive and when they are needed, you must look for it at all cost.

But before the buyout, I wish you think over the renewal fees in case of the left overs.

7 is a precious number and Chinese will definitely buy them from him if the western world refuses to buy. Period.

Listen to your first gut reaction; first reactions are usually correct.

It's only when greed and overthinking occur that good common sense goes out the window.

 

[mibworld]

Wealthy Chinese players have already warned us{ such as the owner of 4.cn} not to go to far out on a limb , i think the Chinese are more into Quality rather then Quantity , simple recognition that they have to pay millions just to keep them all regged every year seems not economical ,

Sorry, but I don't think the Chinese are more into quality. They are registering everything, 7N, 8N, 9N... even 13N, 5L, 6L, .top, .cc, .biz, you name it. Where is that quality strategy? Sure it will come a moment when they'll have to face renewals, and THEN the strategy may point a bit more towards quality. But right now I just don't see it.

By the way and speaking of quality, I don't think 5N and 6N .info are a good idea... As a purely speculative move, who knows. But speculation always implies high risk.

 

[DnDigger]

There are 1128609 / 2097152 = 54% available 7N.com without 4 and 0 according to 2016-11-23 scan:

• 0 starting or ending with 88
• 116694 with two 8 separate or together
• 1077 with three 8 separate
• 0 with with four 8 separate
• 6325 with 88
• 0 with triple numbers 111, ..., 999

 

[21x20]

I believe there are 10 million combinations of 7n. Not entirely sure, but i think the total number of all domains owned in China is around 12 million. The reason I said the shift was toward smaller numerics on various extensions is because of the buyouts of 4n on .biz. and .info, and even the worthless .tv. If people were desparate enough to buyout 4n on .tv, and that one is at $39.99 to reg, then people clearly like shorter numerics. The question is, where will the next buyout of 5n take place if they do in fact like shorter numerics? 5n .biz is the front runner for that next buyout, and .co is a close 2nd. .tv fell out of the race on that one. .mobi died after 3n. I think the next buyouts will be with 5n .biz and 5n .info, as people will ultimately value the original extensions and short numerics. just a guess. I think .co will die out pretty fast. I don't own any 5n .biz, but I have a lot of 5n .info as there are a ton of premiums still available with good forward movement. Plus there are only 100,000 combinations possible, with a lot of them already gone.

You can't compare a buyout of 10,000 4N.biz to a buy out of 10,000,000 7N.

At the end stages of 6N, over 250,000+ 6N went in a matter of days. That's the entire 4N.biz, 5N.biz plus the 4N from 10 other extensions ... in a matter of days.

If you go from the basis of not many 7N.com's having been registered before the 6N buyout finished... then you're looking at close to 1 million names in 7N reg'd in 60 days --- which is a rate of 13,000+ per day -- OR an amount of names comparable to the entire 4N.biz category and more EVERY SINGLE DAY.

Go to http://www.namebio.com and put into the "pattern" NNNNNNN and then set the extension to .com. You can clearly see an acceleration in the aftermarket. Then change the pattern to 8N = NNNNNNNN and you'll see the aftermarket sales for them > $100 JUST STARTED basically in October. There were 0 8N public sales before August 2015.

These are new and emerging markets -- and you can't dismiss the scale of 7N and 8N because categories a fraction of the size are also getting attention.

 

[djum]

Stay away from the ones with 0, at least until all chips will get registered, you will have to wait longer to command same or lower price.

 

[djum]

Well that's the problem, Chinese market already has opinion and it will pay less if anything for names with 04, regardless of what you or me think.
Instead of wasting effort trying to prive them wrong, I just go with the flow and make more money buying what sells at higher price.

 

[DnEbook]

The bit I don't get is "we have already registered the best patterns" Why continue?

 

[Ms Domainer]

The bit I don't get is "we have already registered the best patterns" Why continue?

It's the penny stock mentality.

Create a market by

-- Buying up everything in a weak vertical

-- Hyping it to the hilt, creating "buzz" (you know, the old barker call, "Hurry! Hurry! Hurry!")

-- Selling high

-- Selling lower (once the market becomes flooded and marks begin to realize the deal)

-- Selling at basement levels to the remaining dupes

-- Dumping the leftovers (domain expiration) and skipping town​

Money made by the market manipulators, the rest losing out, except a few insiders and early adopters and sellers.

This is the business model being proposed by the OP.

A real business model would involve buying domain assets with real substance and value, not some random 7N dotcoms.

 

[Pandemic]

I agree with HD, hell with the buyout. Random CHIPS aren't selling. Good patterns are selling. Watch the market on this.

 

[21x20]

I've said from the beginning there are enough names 7N+ that there's no good reason junk names should be registered.

I hit 7N palindromes and '888's and that's about it. From there, to 8N.

 

[DnEbook]

Yep, nothing to see here folks .......move along

 

[Mahogany]

I have some decent 6n and 7n nets in my signature. The 7n's aren't currently getting any decent offers and the 6n haven't hit 10% of com yet. I'm hoping that changes soon.

Hats off to all who regged early. It's only a matter of time before we turn decent profits.

 

[Pandemic]

I was really close to this palindrome ultra premium buyout.

188881.info
288882.info
388883.info
588885.info missing (bought by Chinese)
688886.info missing (bought by Chinese)
788887.info
988889.info

I had that palindrome ultra premium buyout within my grasp too! Now I'm two short! I want the set!

I suppose it's still bought out either way. Anytime you now go above 4n - 5n in any extension, I would make sure you're dealing with ultra premiums.

China still only got two out of that ultra P set. China ain't got nothin on me! They're lucky they even got those two. USA still took home the gold on that one though. :D

 

[DnEbook]

Welcome to crazy town

 

[Ms Domainer]

Welcome to crazy town

Nailed!

 

[venturefile.com]

I'd start calling registrars and find out what kind of deal they could cut me.

For sure.. Let's say that 1m are still available any registrar would drop the price a lot if you tell them that you will register 1m domains with them :D

 

[webm]

I have my own custom developed script to check and I can parse the list and provide you the exact domains that are available in a matter of hours. But from a business point of view, what's in it for me ?

 

[andom]

We've just been confirmed that 7N w/out 0-4 are exactly 2097152 so we only need your help to find a way to check for their availability in bulk in order to give an estimate budget to our investor even if every week some dozens of thousands are sold out.

I checked random 5000 7N without 0,4 as suggested. It seems that 2726 are still available, so about 55%

 

[21x20]

If this were the stock market, your new friends would end up doing hard time.

I'm having difficulty believing that any registrar would participate in such a scheme by helping your "friends" to gobble a significant segment of a market just to manipulate aftermarket prices upwards and would definitely create a black mark on any participating registrars.

The ethics of such an operation is sketchy at best and downright slimy at worst.

I'm with gemstar: Total scam (pyramid scheme)!

The good news here: your noob friends are likely to lose their shirts; the 7N market is just too large.

#Joe Styler: what is your take on this?

I think you're stretching it a little bit. Most of the registrars would not have any issue doing this. And I think there's at least a couple who would work out a bulk discount. They're in the business of selling names -- that's all this actually is.

Domains surely are not even close to a regulated market which this would matter. And if you think all the 6N's that got reg'd via China in the last weeks of September were all individuals purchasing one name at a time??

The only issue would be URDP for trademark violations in bad faith -- of which, there would be none here.

There are absolutely no rules against buying or holding domains as investments... nor is there anything that says anyone should or would have to pay for 7N names after a buyout.

 

[artstar]

Hmm why not just buy up 4 n, 4 l dot com at end user prices that have a higher guarantee to rise in value?

You have less qty but quality dot com portfolio.

How about you buy up my 5n & 4l dot co portfolio while you were at it !??lol

:P

 

[gemstar]

According to ms Domainer regging names is a crime:P

According to you its not and your right. Just like buying stocks is not but put in a greedy investor in the equation and some hype and poof! instant popularity and misleading value. Suddenly the price goes up up up!! and then it goes down down down!! guess who gets left holding the bag? And I in no way believe that what I just said describes anything unethical or illegal (Cough! Yes Cough I do!) but it sure does smell that way.
This isn't SilkRoad..Its NamePros. and we stand to protect our industry not damage it..
Are you?