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WARNING: How to Avoid Domain Scams and Scammers

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Prevention:

Google the domain (also try adding words like stolen, scammed, help, missing, etc), asking other domainers about the domain in question, checking the various marketplaces and making sure things add up... The biggest single indicator of a potential scam is the price. A scammer will want to price the domain low enough that it sells before he gets caught. Keep a watchful eye on new members. Recently modified whois is another warning sign. If other indicators are present (ex. extremely low price), proceed with extreme caution.

Some known scams:

1. Appraisal Scam -- If they ask for an appraisal, it's probably a scam.

2. Snail mail scam letters -- Letters through the mail reminding you to renew your domains from companies which aren't your current registrar

3. Compromised web-based email accounts and keyloggers -- Using an email provided to you by your Internet Service Provider is generally safer than web-based email solutions. There have been known security flaws in certain webmail applications in the past (ex. Gmail) which made compromising member accounts considerably easier than guessing a password. Understand the risks involved with using a web-based solution. Download spyware software such as Adaware Lavasoft and scan your computer daily. Keyloggers are A) easy to put on someone's computer and B) potentially catastrophic to a web based business.

4. Unauthorizing funds (particularly bad with Paypal). Paypal makes it very easy to create chargebacks. Don't accept large amounts by Paypal unless you're dealing with people you absolutely trust. Moneybookers/Escow.com are a step above Paypal, however the best option would be to go with a true escrow service such as Sedo Escrow, Moniker Domain Escrow Service or EscrowDNS.

5. Emails saying your domain requires renew/transfer/you to take a certain action. Check the email and make sure that A) it's from your registrar and B) the url mentioned matches what your registrar's would be. Safer to just visit the registrar than click the links in the email.

6. Incorrect Whois emails -- if your whois isn't incorrect, beware. Phone your registrar if you think they made a mistake.

7. Traffic/Click Fraud -- Self explanatory. If it isn't direct navigation it shouldn't be sold as such. Due diligence is required here.

8. Hijacking -- If you use one of your own domain names as the nameserver, be sure to make sure it doesn't expire or someone could fraudulently gain control of your domains.

9. Escrow.com is NOT 100% safe. They do not cover stolen domains -- buyer beware. Don't think processing a "bargain" through Escrow.com won't potentially end in you being out money. In the event a domain is stolen from someone's account, the domain WILL be returned to the original owner and you'll be out whatever you paid for the domain.

10. One thing I should add: Most free webmail providers will delete accounts after certain periods of inactivity. A clever scammer could notice that your Hotmail/Yahoo/other webmail account had expired, register that same email address (which is now available) and then proceed to "Request Password" at various registrars using what was previously your email address. If you plan on using your webmail infrequently, it's recommend you verify what amount of inactivity is tolerable and won't result in email account deletion.
 
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EG.domains said:
100% the contact info is fake.

This is the very first whois of this domain name, 2006-11-22 (domaintools)..
 
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When I tried I got this:

Registrant:
JHD
dilsuknagar
hyderabad, ap 500056
India

Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: DESIHACKERZ.COM
Created on: 20-Nov-06
Expires on: 20-Nov-08
Last Updated on: 02-Jul-07

Administrative Contact:
majeed, salman
JHD
dilsuknagar
hyderabad, ap 500056
India
9870009789 Fax --

Technical Contact:
majeed, salman
JHD
dilsuknagar
hyderabad, ap 500056
India
9870009789 Fax --
 
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bgmv said:
When I tried I got this:

I was using whois history tool on domaintools which comes with paid membership and this is the first record for this domain name.
 
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oh ok. didnt see that. also the emails match so it must be the same person. should we email them?
 
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They have saved whois on these dates and it shows that the owner is one person from the begining.

I left add request on yahoo messenger, lets see if someone still uses this id on messenger.
 
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Anyone tried using bugmenot there are a few U/PW combos for the hacker site there?

http://no_url_shorteners/35nam8
 
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notlikeyou said:
Anyone tried using bugmenot there are a few U/PW combos for the hacker site there?

http://no_url_shorteners/35nam8


hksteve is on desihackers now!.....but none of the U/PW combos are working. :td:
 
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mmmm this sound strange... I sold a couple of XXX LLLL, to him, no problems at all...did you try to contact him on his e mail address?
 
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kong707 said:
I might got scammed by "ebatcave"
He is known member . He bought a lot of LLLL.com at very good price. And his feedback is 61 so everyone trust him

Today, I have my sale thread here ->http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?p=2570477

I sold domain to ebatcave and he paid me by paypal at $104 . Then after I finished pushing domain to his account. He files a chargeback from paypal to me.

I can't belive he is a scammer . I sold many domain to him and never has a problem. Maybe his account is stolen .But it is hardly believe that his account on paypal ,godaddy and here are all stolen. So I post this thread for warning you guys.

i am really sorry for this kong707

i strongly believe ebatcave's account was stolen as he is buying LLLL dot com, especially high value ones like quad premiums and i havent seen anything abouth he scamming anybody else, so why would he scam you for $104?

as Marco said email him or try to find any domain he owns and sen an email to the admin email asking him to reply this email you sent

index your names atgoogle as stolen after you find out what really happened
good luck
 
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As I said in another thread, PayPal put a temporary hold on my account because they thought there was suspicious activity. I have purchased over $250,000 worth of domains using PayPal in the last month and they thought there was a problem with my account. They didn't open customer service until 4:00 AM PST so I contacted them as soon as they opened (since this all happened in the middle of the night) and they immediately released my account and the last 5 transactions I purchased last night. I have contacted each one individually to let them know everything is fine. I have my reputation to protect and I am more than aware of the scammers that are on the threads. Sorry about that, but PayPal shut me down for 8 hours. I'm back up again. John
 
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Paypal did the same thing to my account about a month ago -- once again for "suspicious activity". John's a great guy and I've been lucky to have him purchase domains off me on multiple occasions.

ebatcave said:
As I said in another thread, PayPal put a temporary hold on my account because they thought there was suspicious activity. I have purchased over $250,000 worth of domains using PayPal in the last month and they thought there was a problem with my account. They didn't open customer service until 4:00 AM PST so I contacted them as soon as they opened (since this all happened in the middle of the night) and they immediately released my account and the last 5 transactions I purchased last night. I have contacted each one individually to let them know everything is fine. I have my reputation to protect and I am more than aware of the scammers that are on the threads. Sorry about that, but PayPal shut me down for 8 hours. I'm back up again. John
 
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this was better than having your account stolen but paypal is, undoubtely, the worst thing we have in the industry

what they did with both ebatcave and Reece shows they have no respect at all with all of us... they have in their TOS they dont want to know if you lose a domain (non-tangible item) and besides if they just think your account is in suspect activity they hold on it

we need ASAP to have a service covers domains and all its related products (internet stuff, i mean) and we must give paypal what they really deserve; nothing from us but ignoring them

i think we can make these things (scammers, non-tangible items) more known to non-domainers and we must really do our transactions through another online payment than paypal
 
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Agreed Bricio.

I've been a client of Paypal's since 2004 and referred several hundred businesses to them via their affiliate program over the years (I won't do that anymore, even though the money was good...). My thanks for doing that come in the form of a suspended account and requiring me to take action if I want my account re-activated... To top it off, this is the second time it's happened in the last couple years... This time it was for too much buying, back in '06 it was for too much selling :td:


bricio said:
this was better than having your account stolen but paypal is, undoubtely, the worst thing we have in the industry

what they did with both ebatcave and Reece shows they have no respect at all with all of us... they have in their TOS they dont want to know if you lose a domain (non-tangible item) and besides if they just think your account is in suspect activity they hold on it

we need ASAP to have a service covers domains and all its related products (internet stuff, i mean) and we must give paypal what they really deserve; nothing from us but ignoring them

i think we can make these things (scammers, non-tangible items) more known to non-domainers and we must really do our transactions through another online payment than paypal
 
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ebatcave said:
As I said in another thread, PayPal put a temporary hold on my account because they thought there was suspicious activity. I have purchased over $250,000 worth of domains using PayPal in the last month and they thought there was a problem with my account. I'm back up again. John
:yell: :yell: :yell:

putting $250K through their service, you think you would be getting serenaded to sleep at night from paypals upper management and awake to tasty P-shaped pancakes in the morn.... not the kind of door-in-your-face/ ask-questions-later customer service you received instead, john.

Makes me sad to hear it and how it could have almost tarnished your good standing on the forums etc, not to mention losing out on good purchases. glad you are back up and running! i have only had VERY positive, friendly and fair dealings with you, so if by chance paypal ever wants a 'less suspicious' paypal member to vouchsafe your character and credibility, i'm your man! :hehe: :)
 
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I really do apologies for John. I got my money now. Thanks a lot.

I also sold domain to John for more than $1,000 .I didn't think he will scam me. But sometime account in vbulletin board might be hacked. My account at Digital Point was hacked a month ago also. So I put warning on this thread. I didn't mean to ruin your reputation. You are great guy.
 
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kong707, you can edit your first post now (if you want). but i really recommend it.

John is a great buyer/investor/domainer.
 
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ebatcave said:
As I said in another thread, PayPal put a temporary hold on my account because they thought there was suspicious activity. I have purchased over $250,000 worth of domains using PayPal in the last month and they thought there was a problem with my account. They didn't open customer service until 4:00 AM PST so I contacted them as soon as they opened (since this all happened in the middle of the night) and they immediately released my account and the last 5 transactions I purchased last night. I have contacted each one individually to let them know everything is fine. I have my reputation to protect and I am more than aware of the scammers that are on the threads. Sorry about that, but PayPal shut me down for 8 hours. I'm back up again. John


$250,000 ? D-:

God...I have a feeling on who is know the King of LLLL.com :xf.love:

John, if I was you I was just quitting to use PayPal, they should have treated you like a Prince for using them so much.....and instead first they stop to provide the service. :td:
 
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I know one guy on another forum . He used paypal to take subscription fee for his online service . It costs $30 /month. It is the first time he uses paypal .About 400 members subscribes to his service within 1 week and then paypal froze his account. It has been about 2 weeks now but his account is still frozen. Paypal doesn't care customers at all.
 
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Will it protect me from scammers if I accept NP$ as payment?

Some suggestions:

1. In the Domain Services menu of NP, add "Send e-mail to whois address". This will take a domain name and a message to send to the domain owner. That way we can quickly check up the seller.

2. Provide an emergency system to inform the staff when you are locked out of your NP account by an account thief.

3. The forum apparently does not allow removing an old e-mail address, which is good. I assume that "Send e-mail to this member" sends the e-mail to both the old and the new one? (couldn't test because I seemingly disabled receiving e-mail from other members.) If not I suggest making it so.
 
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Len said:
Looks like most of the stolen domains are up for sale by hksteve here: http://209.85.207.104/search?q=cach...n&ct=clnk&cd=10

I see mine in there!!


I see mine there too, what a shame. I am going to post on that site that those names are stolen, if it get's removed I will do everything I can to bring the desiHackerz site to it's knees!
 
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