Vegan Debate

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Do we have any vegans at NamePros?

Anyone want to debate why they believe they have the right to enslave, manipulate, force, bully into submission, and send innocent gentle animals to a slaughterhouse full of uneducated employees that have a career in mass murder?

 

[Yuri Kt]

That's way missing the point. There's no question that humans kill other humans. But does that make it OK? Is it OK simply because it happens? Do you as a moral person feel OK and/or compelled to kill another person just because they have something that you want (in our case, a satisfying taste)?

I don't know what is OK. At the matter of fact people are not equal. So the animals. We exploit other humans for our taste in food, clothes, interiors etc. I guess in next 20 year we'll grow synthetic meat with same quality as animal flesh. Till then we'll eat animals like our parents and grandparents.

 

[tvanrijt]

Vegan's respect your decisions too. It's true. The "preachy vegan" is usually a response to the "preachy meat eater".


Finally, your ability to "not accept the opinion" of a "small group who cannot accept another opinion" is a large part of the irony here.

First of all, I never had a dinner guest suddenly start talking about how he eats meat and why we should do it too. I heard vegans do this multiple times.

Second of all, you quote me incorrectly. I did not say I didnt accept it. I said I didnt like it.

Furthermore, your sentence where I have to replace words just makes no sense to me.

 

[baseballworld]

Wow this thread seemed to have escalated really fast for no apparent reason at all really. We all saw this coming the minute it was created. Lets face it some like to eat meat and some like to toss the salad now move on.

 

[frank-germany]

Lets face it some like to eat meat and some like to toss the salad now move on.

I like to eat ice cream
but I don't do so every day

I like to eat cream pie
but I don't do so everyday

I like to eat salty peanuts
but I don't do so everyday


to like meat
is a very poor argument


those killed animals are tortured their whole life
for your short moment of pleasure while eating them

 

[baseballworld]

Dude if people didn't eat me centuries ago to survive you would not even be here today.

 

[frank-germany]

Dude if people didn't eat me centuries ago to survive you would not even be here today.

you are right

I eat seafish
so I am not vegan

but educated yourself how
chicken and pork and cow meat is "produced" today
not in ancient times
and "bon appetite"

 

[frank-germany]

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be carefull
we have chinese domainers here

 

[baseballworld]

You know what's ironic I bet the angriest people in this thread and most violently typing won't even be those barbaric meat eaters. Will be the ones saying we should all get along with animals. How the he'll you gonna expect a peaceful solution for animals when you can't even calmly talk to the humans your opposing.

 

[frank-germany]

personally I can see nobody screaming here

 

[baseballworld]

personally I can see nobody sreaming here

Main reason this isn't a webcam chat. Lol

 

[ZapNano]

To get education, enroll yourself at Vegan University. For more information check out NP forum

 

[DomainVP]

Our universe is a place of consumption.

I'm sure people are on the menu somewhere...

 

[tiawalling]

Old Indian saying they say...

 

[ZapNano]

Vegan, smartWeed.club

 

[baseballworld]

Yeah that is true vegans must has some killer weed.

 

[ZapNano]

Science= plants and animals= all living things.

 

[championshipforum]

I appreciate and respect why people choose to be vegan.

To the vegetarians that preach that eating meat is wrong but are happy to eat dairy, i find them types to be hypocrites.

 

[baseballworld]

If science is to plants and plants can be illegal makes my newer domains Science Laws make sense now.

 

[JB Lions]

The problem with "debating" preachy type Vegans is that they either knowingly lie or post nonsense. As an example:

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That's not true. Broccoli does not have more protein than beef. And you have to eat a lot more to get the same amount of calories. Won't even get into the lack of amino acids and other stuff.

Or en linking to an article but leaving out "As would be expected, the risk was found to be most pronounced among people who also engaged in other unhealthy activities, including having a history of smoking, drinking heavily or being obese."

or PriYank posting this:

Approximately 25 gallons of water are needed to produce 1 pound of wheat. Around 2,500 gallons of water are needed to produce 1 pound of meat.

Which is some more bs. As if Google doesn't exist and you can go find real sources.

And people who are "meat eaters" doesn't mean they only eat meat obviously. They can eat vegetables as well, have a more balanced diet so they don't end up on domain forums making misery loves company type posts.

I'm going to have hamburgers later and will enjoy every bite.

 

[enlytend]

This thread sounds like it was spun from straight a peta pamphlet . (Don't get me started on that bunch.)

Im a long time vegetarian, I'm not vegan, I respect other people's choices and in return expect them to respect mine. We're all on our own path.

That said,

• Not everyone can eat all plant protein. Some people are allergic to soy or nuts. Some people are gluten intolerant. People with conditions like Crohns have to keep vegetable intake to a minimum. Most plants, while they have protein, do not have complete amino acids, making the protein less usable.
• Vegan foods, especially organic foods, can be expensive. The higher the demand,the higher the prices go. Over the years I've watched several one-time vegetarian staples become popular and the prices get crazy accordingly. Quinoa, for example. used to be cheap, then it got popular.
• The production of meat for food is a huge industry, many people depend on it to put food on their own tables. Abolish the industry and you put people out of jobs, human families suffer. Economies suffer.
• As a food source, meat and dairy production is less susceptible to damage from unexpected weather conditions - heat, frost, drought, excessive rain, and the like.
• Having all the animals running around in the sun like a small happy family farm is a nice picture. It would also dramatically raise the prices of food. A lot of low income families subsist on eggs because they're cheap and nutritious. Lower productivity in the industry and the price goes up, possibly out of reach for those families.
• Many food animals are raised in restrictive conditions and don't have good lives. Many humans are born into dismal conditions and lead sad lives too. Some babies die of disease or starvation before reaching adulthood - at least the animals are fed. Maybe they all committed heinous deeds in a past life and this is their destiny.