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Do we have any vegans at NamePros?

Anyone want to debate why they believe they have the right to enslave, manipulate, force, bully into submission, and send innocent gentle animals to a slaughterhouse full of uneducated employees that have a career in mass murder?
 
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I had a feeling this thread would eventually pop up.
 
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I can't pass up a good vegan debate...

  • Beef is consumed 77.8 million times each day across America.
  • Beef is the #1 food source for Protein, Vitamin B12 and Zinc! Beef is also the #3 food source of iron behind fortified cereal and grains. 12
The U.S. Government does everything within it's power to make sure that animals are put down in the most humane way possible. Those that don't follow the guidelines will be fined and possibly shut down.

It is what it is and isn't going to change..

None of this is true.
Ok. Number one is true. But Hitler killed 3 million Jews. Still doesn't make it right...


Secondly, the damn protein thing. When did people start coming up with "plants don't have protein"? An overwhelming majority of the protein you eat (from meat or otherwise) during the day is excess and gets excreted. You don't need a lot of protein. Unless you're a body builder, in which case, it's better to get vegan protein because it doesn't contain cholesterol and loads of unsaturated fats. (PS the only male US weightlifter at the Olympics was vegan... but where does he get his protein?? smh) Vitamin B12 is not inherent to beef. It comes from bacteria and is easily synthesized. And yes, contrary to meat eating beliefs, certain non-animal sources carry B12. And again, you don't need much of it. And Zinc. Come on. Spinach, bro. And again... how much Zinc do you think you need?

And the US Govt definitely DOES NOT make sure animals are put down in the most humane way possible. Watch some "humane" slaughterhouse videos. Meat is a massive cash crop. Why would they regulate one of the most powerful food lobbies? They wouldn't. (The US government also does everything within its power to make sure drugs don't exist.... but they do.)

Simply put, if we are the true "evolved" species, we should be able to figure out how to survive in the most "evolved" methods possible. That involves making as little impact as possible to an already fragile ecosystem. Which we can do. If we stop being greedy about "yummy tasting food".

But yeah, you can eat meat. You're totally allowed to. But it would be nice if you understood why you were eating meat. It'd be nice if people could examine their own greed. Self-awareness is a good thing and something us "evolved" beings should exercise once in a while.

PS... we are not on top of the food chain. Go try and kill a deer with your bare hands. Then try and eat it raw. First question: How easy was that? Second question: How do you feel? I'm willing to bet: Not easy; Not good.
 
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my body/mind combination is 100%

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...it just tastes good. Had a nice 13 oz ribeye today.

"it just tastes good"

said the fat lady eating another piece of that delicious cream pie
 
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Already went over it. It tastes good, I like to eat meat, just like other people who eat meat. See other reasons in my first post. That's not changing. Dying is usually not pretty. Whether it's the way we get our meat, or getting torn to shreds. It's a losing battle you're trying to fight, and I get it, it's for the love of animals, but losing battle nonetheless. Meat eaters don't care.

"Meat eaters don't care."
you mean: you don't care


"It tastes good,"
that is a very poor argument


"Dying is usually not pretty. "
its not about dying or killing
it about living


it's about that an animal deserves a good life
if you plan to eat it


and here the story starts to become really ugly
-but of course you don't care-
 
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I respect vegan's decisions, but it would be lovely if they respected our decisions too. What I don't like is that a small part of the vegan group is actively forcing their opinions in the face of meat eaters.

I see an overlap with religious extremists. A lot of religious people are very respectable, have noble thoughts and respect other's opinions. However, a small group who cannot accept another opinion can ruin the percention of the total group.
 
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What I don't like is that a small part of the vegan group is actively forcing their opinions in the face of meat eaters... However, a small group who cannot accept another opinion can ruin the percention of the total group.

I hope you never run into more severe problems

treat the animals in a human way before you kill them
 
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I hope you never run into more severe problems

treat the animals in a human way before you kill them

I don't really get your reply. I don't state this as a problem. I simply just don't like it. I treat both animals and humans the way I would like to be treated. However, I like to eat meat, so I do eat meat.
 
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Matter of taste, I guess

Animals are not products. They are living creatures. They have intelligence and sentience. If you ever ate a human and thought it tasted good, would you actively kill more humans to satisfy that taste?

I respect vegan's decisions, but it would be lovely if they respected our decisions too. What I don't like is that a small part of the vegan group is actively forcing their opinions in the face of meat eaters.

I see an overlap with religious extremists. A lot of religious people are very respectable, have noble thoughts and respect other's opinions. However, a small group who cannot accept another opinion can ruin the percention of the total group.

Vegan's respect your decisions too. It's true. The "preachy vegan" is usually a response to the "preachy meat eater". You're also going to get a distorted message via the internet where things like intonation, sarcasms, and subtleties are not apparent.

Secondly, there are some radical fallacies here. First and foremost is the idea that because your ideas are challenged means that the person(s) challenging them is somehow "wrong". If you truly accepted the opinions of others, as you claim, you'd also accept their opinions on how to actively pursue their chosen opinion.

Next, just replace "vegan" with "non-murder" and your sentence reads like this : "I respect non-murderer's decisions, but it would be lovely if they respected our decisions too. What I don't like is that a small part of the non-murder group is actively forcing their opinions in the face of murderes." Sound ridiculous? (Note: I'm not trying to say you're a murderer, I'm just using a less socially acceptable example to point out the logical fallacy with an extendable analogy.)

Finally, your ability to "not accept the opinion" of a "small group who cannot accept another opinion" is a large part of the irony here.

We aren't talking about whether or not eating one thing is wrong; we're talking about willingly taking the life of another being for our own self-interest... ie greed.

But as you say:
I treat both animals and humans the way I would like to be treated. However, I like to eat meat, so I do eat meat.

I'm going to assume you don't allow someone to enslave, torture, and murder another human on your behalf for the sake of your own cannibalistic exploits. Just an assumption though... unless you're a psychopath.
 
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Animals are not products. They are living creatures. They have intelligence and sentience. If you ever ate a human and thought it tasted good, would you actively kill more humans to satisfy that taste?
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We, humans, kill other humans even without eating their bodies. If you're part of "golden milliard" it's probably because your grandgrandparents were more successful in killing and conquering other humans.
 
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I dont eat meat a lot and when I eat I eat what my religion permits me to eat and it has to be prepared in a certain way. There is no point in saying vegans are better or anything.
 
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We, humans, kill other humans even without eating their bodies. If you're part of "golden milliard" it's probably because your grandgrandparents were more successful in killing and conquering other humans.

That's way missing the point. There's no question that humans kill other humans. But does that make it OK? Is it OK simply because it happens? Do you as a moral person feel OK and/or compelled to kill another person just because they have something that you want (in our case, a satisfying taste)?
 
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