The "I hate gTLD's" thread

[McDuke]

Tired of annoying web extensions?

Wish it was a .com only world?

Feeling negative, cynical, grumpy, or you just want to join the fun?

Well here is the place for you.

The I Hate gTLD's Thread​

 

[JB Lions]

ohhhh hey look this TLD only has 2,000 registrations.. so what? what does any of this mean for a domainer? that you should look for the ones with highest reg counts and "invest" in that one?

Yes, there's truth in that, it's what you don't get. It's been gone over many times.

Higher reg numbers mean more chance for development, actual usage, more chance the public becomes familiar with it. Now does that help increase or decrease the value? Which are the most valuable today? Do they have low or high reg numbers compared to the ones that aren't so valuable? Not sure why this is hard for some people to grasp.

For domainers, these are horrible investments not only because of low demand, evidenced by numbers but the fact that if end users want second rate extensions, they don't need your second rate extension, they have many more second rate extension options.

mj, how many have you "invested" in so far?

Oh I agree these are not going anywhere and to look at registration numbers right now is too early.

It's not too early. You see some literally in single digits some days, tattoo had like 2 and something like 6. Do you think those numbers are somehow going to increase? knowing:

good keywords are available early, not later

the numbers for new releases tend to be higher in the beginning, not later.

.mobi, .me, .co etc. The most regs happen early. So if they're not selling good now, they're not going to sell good later.

 

[mjnels]

Yes, there's truth in that, it's what you don't get. It's been gone over many times.

Higher reg numbers mean more chance for development, actual usage, more chance the public becomes familiar with it. Now does that help increase or decrease the value? Which are the most valuable today? Do they have low or high reg numbers compared to the ones that aren't so valuable? Not sure why this is hard for some people to grasp.

highest reg numbers do NOT mean more chance for development. you're pulling that out of thin air.

how valuable is .mobi with over 1,000,000 registrations? its in the top 10 most registered TLD's and it means absolutely nothing. so there goes that theory...

IF the public is going to become familiar with gTLD it will probably be as a whole... it will be becoming comfortable with something.something as DU pointed out earlier.

mj, how many have you "invested" in so far?

zero.

i have some "gTLD" from before "new gTLD" came out like .travel and .pro but i havnt bought any from this batch of new gTLD's because with how flooded it is i think prices will get cheaper.

i think they're a bad investment for domainers - especially right now during the hype stage so im staying away.

 

[JB Lions]

highest reg numbers do NOT mean more chance for development. you're pulling that out of thin air.

Of course it does. It's like you failed basic math.

If there were 100 ping pong balls and 1 of them was worth 1 million dollars, the other 99 worth nothing.

Person A - could pick 90 balls

Person B - could pick 10 balls

Which person has the better chance? I can't believe we're discussing this.

how valuable is .mobi with over 1,000,000 registrations? its in the top 10 most registered TLD's and it means absolutely nothing. so there goes that theory...

.mobi was never meant to be anybody's main site. It was the only one out at the time, had the spotlight all to itself. The numbers are now dropping.

zero.

Figured as much. A pro new-gtld guy with 0 regs. The truth lies in where you put your money at. You know there are actually newbies on this forum saying the same nonsense you've been posting? Keep up the good work, keep em occupied.

 

[mjnels]

Of course it does. It's like you failed basic math.

If there were 100 ping pong balls and 1 of them was worth 1 million dollars, the other 99 worth nothing.

Person A - could pick 90 balls

Person B - could pick 10 balls

Which person has the better chance? I can't believe we're discussing this.

that doesnt make any sense and fails to take into consideration the # that is registered by domainers.

if there are 1,000,000 registrations... lets take .mobi for example... and 990,000 of them are held by domainers - how in the world does that give them "a better chance for development"

it doesnt. simple reg numbers dont mean anything for a "better chance of development" nothing!

 

[JB Lions]

that doesnt make any sense and fails to take into consideration the # that is registered by domainers.

if there are 1,000,000 registrations... lets take .mobi for example... and 990,000 of them are held by domainers - how in the world does that give them "a better chance for development"

it doesnt. simple reg numbers dont mean anything for a "better chance of development" nothing!

I literally just went over that in my last post, even put it in bold for you.

And I've learned basic math doesn't make sense to you, odds escape you.

 

[mjnels]

I literally just went over that in my last post, even put it in bold for you.

you can "go over" as much as you like but you're still wrong.

registration numbers do not offer a "better chance for development." period. its completely separate things. you're trying to connect stuff that isnt connected. domainers holding 90% of a registry doesnt offer a "better chance for development"

Figured as much. A pro new-gtld guy with 0 regs. The truth lies in where you put your money at. You know there are actually newbies on this forum saying the same nonsense you've been posting? Keep up the good work, keep em occupied.

right, and if i had registered some you would have some other bitter response.

you're impossible to have a conversation with.

 

[JB Lions]

I'm not wrong, .mobi wasn't meant to to be used for somebody's main site.

And this domainers and 90%, as if domainers don't get into everything.

Again, I get it, you don't get basic math. So if .web gets a few million, .tattoo with a couple of thousand regs. me saying .web has a better chance of development and getting out into the public, you would actually argue against it.

 

[Ms Domainer]

Uber Cybersquatter in the New gTLDs

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Fasten your seat belts, it's gonna be a bumpy ride.

The Domains reports on a squatter, fresh out of California, who regged some obvious TMs in .email:

http://www.thedomains.com/2014/03/2...s-up-espn-pepsi-starbucks-chevrolet-nfl-more/​

I posted this in the "hater" thread because this seems to be the ugly underbelly of the new gTLDs.

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[scandiman]

I think that's the problem with the back and forth, some of the stuff MJ is saying is not wrong, but its not what people here are interested in, the purpose for discussion here about domain names is how to make money as domain investor/ developer, what will be good for the registry is an important conversation, but not in 100 threads.

Someone who has a kiosk in their local shopping mall cares about the traffic and can they make money each month, someone telling them don't worry the company that owns the mall, they are doing great, cashflow is through the roof does not help pay their bills. If the mall operator were in trouble that would be a concern, because the kiosk owner may have to find a new place if the mall closed, but shy of that on a day to day basis their focus is can they sell their product at their kiosk. its a micro concern, not a macro.

So it just seems you are really a tld hobbyist, you don't make a living or even a decent part time income buying and selling domains, you just like to discuss the naming system changing with people who are making or trying to make an income with domain names. There is nothing wrong with conversation but I would say we just have new threads develop every few days saying the same thing.

So the net is changing by offering more choice, ok, everything is changing, most people are concerned in their business or career how to earn a living based on those changes, how to increase profit and reduce risk, not just have a philosophical conversation.


Scandiman to answer your question, ICANN has put in place the EBERO program

An important innovation of the New gTLD Program, the establishment of emergency back-end registry operators, or EBEROs, mitigates risks to the stability and security of the Domain Name System in the event a new TLD operator fails.

Emergency back-end registry operators are temporarily activated if a TLD registry operator is at risk of failing to sustain the five critical registry functions. These functions are:

DNS resolution for registered domain names
Operation of Shared Registration System
Operation of Whois service
Registry data escrow deposits
Maintenance of a properly signed zone in accordance with DNSSEC requirements

EBEROs are limited in the services they can provide. For example, EBEROs will not provide any additional services that a TLD operator may have offered its customers, such as web hosting or network analytics.

The currently contracted organizations met stringent technical requirements and demonstrated years of experience in operating domain name services, registration data directory services and extensible provisioning protocol services.

http://www.icann.org/en/resources/registries/ebero

I have also been told there are plenty of Vulture funds sitting on the sidelines, people who did not apply for an extension but let's say not that I am wishing them failure, but Dot Luxury coming out $799 to register and renewals $799, All registries had to put up 3 years working capital so after that they cannot make money, and want out, Another registry like Donuts could come in and pick it up and if more than one wants it, there would possibly be an auction to the highest bidder.

Thanks for the info, very helpful

 

[urlurl]

The last thing I want to do as a developer is to market the stupid extension as much as the name of the company.

"Go with dot com and you can go no wrong"
-David P-

 

[scandiman]

The last thing I want to do as a developer is to market the stupid extension as much as the name of the company.

"Go with dot com and you can go no wrong"
-David P-

For Joe the plumber that makes perfect sense, but for an online business the entire URL can be the brand especially when dealing with 'keyword.newtld'. But 'brandable.newtld' isn't something I would build on.

 

[forge]

TOP SECRET ICANN GTLD GENERATOR -- EXPOSED!!

 

[DnEbook]

TOP SECRET ICANN GTLD GENERATOR -- EXPOSED!!

seems you have found a home in this thread
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Me i am looking forwards to .music

 

[McDuke]

http://lifehacker.com/5982622/why-youre-so-afraid-of-change-and-what-you-can-do-about-it

"Change freaks us out—probably even more than public speaking, but it's the sort of amorphous issue that we don't think about because it manifests itself subtly in so many ways. Whether a relationship starts or ends, you're moving, you've got a new job, or you've lost someone you love, change—whether it's good or bad—causes stress. Here's how it works and how to handle it without losing your mind. "

"Because new information bothers our brains, we tend to find friends and form groups that reinforce our beliefs—whether they're correct or not. When many people agree, it's easy to discount the opinions of others in the face of undeniable logic. This occurs because of a phenomenon known as the illusion of asymmetric insight. David McRaney, writer of the blog and book about self-delusion You Are Not So Smart, explains"

 

[JB Lions]

http://lifehacker.com/5982622/why-youre-so-afraid-of-change-and-what-you-can-do-about-it

"Change freaks us out—probably even more than public speaking, but it's the sort of amorphous issue that we don't think about because it manifests itself subtly in so many ways. Whether a relationship starts or ends, you're moving, you've got a new job, or you've lost someone you love, change—whether it's good or bad—causes stress. Here's how it works and how to handle it without losing your mind. "

"Because new information bothers our brains, we tend to find friends and form groups that reinforce our beliefs—whether they're correct or not. When many people agree, it's easy to discount the opinions of others in the face of undeniable logic. This occurs because of a phenomenon known as the illusion of asymmetric insight. David McRaney, writer of the blog and book about self-delusion You Are Not So Smart, explains"

http://www.investopedia.com/terms/f/foolsgold.asp

"Investopedia explains 'Fool's Gold'

During historical periods of gold rushes, many less-than-knowledgeable miners would frequently believe that they hit the mother lode upon finding a cache of fool's gold. Unfortunately, unlike the real thing, fool's gold is relatively worthless."

 

[pchip]

It's just nuts what people are paying for these so called premium Donuts registrations. I looked up a few .training domains just to see but one was almost $300 and the other $500. I looked today and the $300 one is gone. I might have snapped it up for $30 but not even close to $300.

Do these people even think that they'll have to pay that or more next year? And possibly that the extension won't even be around next year and you might lose your entire investment. Yikes!

 

[Jasonn]

It's just nuts what people are paying for these so called premium Donuts registrations. I looked up a few .training domains just to see but one was almost $300 and the other $500. I looked today and the $300 one is gone. I might have snapped it up for $30 but not even close to $300.

Do these people even think that they'll have to pay that or more next year? And possibly that the extension won't even be around next year and you might lose your entire investment. Yikes!

yeah these new registries are greedy. i've checked out a number of these domains, most of the ones i actually "liked" were reserved and some premium but then i look at the .com's that match them and they aren't developed, haven't sold and are usually owned by domainers....if they haven't been able to sell what change do these domains have to sell? paying 240 a year for a single renewal will result simply in many people not being able to afford to renew them. these domains should really be 10 bucks with nothing held back as reserved.

 

[McDuke]

It's just nuts what people are paying for these so called premium Donuts registrations. I looked up a few .training domains just to see but one was almost $300 and the other $500. I looked today and the $300 one is gone. I might have snapped it up for $30 but not even close to $300.

Do these people even think that they'll have to pay that or more next year? And possibly that the extension won't even be around next year and you might lose your entire investment. Yikes!

From what i see most decent names are pre reg'd at 200-500$ or if they go to auction from the basic pre reg fee they are won at 100-300$ + the initial pre reg fee.

of course there are a few beauties that are available for hand reg in the first couple weeks but they don't last long.

 

[garptrader]

Let's not forget what the median sales price of a non-.COM is at SEDO - around $500 or so - less after commission - less after years of renewals. Imagine if your upfront cost is a few hundred and renewals are a whole lot more than .COM renewals, how do you make money? What if you don't sell 100% of these domains and have to drop some? The average portfolio turnover in the industry is 1-2%. The math just doesn't work on these new TLDs unless there is a phenomenal change in end user demand for aftermarket domains. If so, anyone holding decent domains in existing extensions should still do OK - so why take risks that seem to only favor the registrars?

 

[ImageAuthors]

Let's not forget what the median sales price of a non-.COM is at SEDO - around $500 or so - less after commission - less after years of renewals. Imagine if your upfront cost is a few hundred and renewals are a whole lot more than .COM renewals, how do you make money? What if you don't sell 100% of these domains and have to drop some? The average portfolio turnover in the industry is 1-2%. The math just doesn't work on these new TLDs unless there is a phenomenal change in end user demand for aftermarket domains. If so, anyone holding decent domains in existing extensions should still do OK - so why take risks that seem to only favor the registrars?

A huge chunk of registries' revenue is coming from domainers who aren't thinking things through.

It's very easy to get caught up in the hype. Domainer blogs have been obsessed with these new extensions for some time, and the propaganda has been pretty high pitched in 2014.

But that hype is just for domainers. Outside domainer circles, the status quo is pretty much as it ever was. Few businesses care about these new TLDs. They have businesses to run, and they mosstly aren't interested in buying domains period. When a few of them do buy domains, they continue to favor the established extensions they and their audiences use on a daily basis -- as the sales charts show.

Even if consumer behavior begins to shift in 2015 or later, it won't be enough to salvage most domainers' expenses. The public doesn't have the same ravenous appetite for buying domains that domainers have. End user purchases are slow ... too slow to make most of these nTLD domains -- even the good ones -- profitable investments.