The "I hate gTLD's" thread

[McDuke]

Tired of annoying web extensions?

Wish it was a .com only world?

Feeling negative, cynical, grumpy, or you just want to join the fun?

Well here is the place for you.

The I Hate gTLD's Thread​

 

[forge]

A huge chunk of registries' revenue is coming from domainers who aren't thinking things through.

It's very easy to get caught up in the hype. Domainer blogs have been obsessed with these new extensions for some time, and the propaganda has been pretty high pitched in 2014.

But that hype is just for domainers. Outside domainer circles, the status quo is pretty much as it ever was. Few businesses care about these new TLDs. They have businesses to run, and they mosstly aren't interested in buying domains period. When a few of them do buy domains, they continue to favor the established extensions they and their audiences use on a daily basis -- as the sales charts show.

Even if consumer behavior begins to shift in 2015 or later, it won't be enough to salvage most domainers' expenses. The public doesn't have the same ravenous appetite for buying domains that domainers have. End user purchases are slow ... too slow to make most of these nTLD domains -- even the good ones -- profitable investments.

I do not hate this post.

Love will prevail. Except in the case of new "instantly old" stinkweed bottom-level dom-mange detritus.

 

[DU]

It's just nuts what people are paying for these so called premium Donuts registrations. I looked up a few .training domains just to see but one was almost $300 and the other $500. I looked today and the $300 one is gone. I might have snapped it up for $30 but not even close to $300.

Do these people even think that they'll have to pay that or more next year? And possibly that the extension won't even be around next year and you might lose your entire investment. Yikes!

There are some names that make sense for some end users. A lot of the names I looked at were in fact taken by what appear to be end users.

A nice keyword.solutions is actually a decent alternative at $22 for a company called keywordsolutions given that the latter are either developed or parked where domains are significantly MORE than $500.

I looked at a .solutions for a while before I realized that I had the .com and wondered what I was doing. It's very easy to succumb to the fake pressure that the existence of these names brings. :imho:

 

[scandiman]

It's just nuts what people are paying for these so called premium Donuts registrations. I looked up a few .training domains just to see but one was almost $300 and the other $500. I looked today and the $300 one is gone. I might have snapped it up for $30 but not even close to $300.

Do these people even think that they'll have to pay that or more next year? And possibly that the extension won't even be around next year and you might lose your entire investment. Yikes!

Yea, I'm sitting out these landrushes to see what floats to the top later. Any future higher acquisition costs will be more than offset by the money saved by not buying duds today.

 

[jmcc]

There were 185 new gTLDs on Irish webhoster DNSes this morning. There were over 330K other gTLD domains on these hosters. This pattern is being repeated across many countries. .BERLIN may overtake .GURU in the next week. Daily growth on some new gTLDs is in the hundreds of domains not thousands. Some are not even breaking a hundred a day.

Regards...jmcc

 

[garptrader]

I recall in 2007 I was with my wife (then girlfriend) on a speedboat tour which boarded from downtown Miami and rode around some of the neighboring islands. From the boat I could count fifteen high-rise construction cranes building condos in downtown Miami. That was the height of the real estate bubble and a few years later real estate prices in Miami had plummeted about 50%.

What percentage of one and two-word domains in .COM, .Net are held by investors? Who knows? But seriously, research several commerce-related keywords and see how many .COM, .Net, etc domains for that keyword are held by investors. Now if those domains have not sold to end users, how is offering 500 additional options going to create end user demand for the new ones at prices where an investor can afford to investors hundreds or thousands and still make a decent return?

 

[mjnels]

I recall in 2007 I was with my wife (then girlfriend) on a speedboat tour which boarded from downtown Miami and rode around some of the neighboring islands. From the boat I could count fifteen high-rise construction cranes building condos in downtown Miami. That was the height of the real estate bubble and a few years later real estate prices in Miami had plummeted about 50%.

What percentage of one and two-word domains in .COM, .Net are held by investors? Who knows? But seriously, research several commerce-related keywords and see how many .COM, .Net, etc domains for that keyword are held by investors. Now if those domains have not sold to end users, how is offering 500 additional options going to create end user demand for the new ones at prices where an investor can afford to investors hundreds or thousands and still make a decent return?

as a domain investor, you probably cant.

thats why registries are the new domainers - they cut out the traditional domainer. thats where a lot of the attitude of people on this forum comes from... being pissed they cant register these for $8 and that the registry is charging $300/year..

so people compile lists and go HA! look! this registry only sold 2,000 registrations... hardy har har how pathetic. its only pathetic because the money isnt going in their pocket. like donuts.co registry for example... even selling 2 domains per TLD at the early access $12,500 price knocks out like what, 1/8th of their application fee of 185k! for 2 domains they get close to 25k! then take all the ones people register at $1,200, $700, $300 and even $150... it adds up pretty quick.

but as a domainer theres WAY WAY too many combinations to snatch up even if you were able to grab the super duper premium at $8/year... with this many combinations the hope of flipping them seems slim to me.

but people laughing at TLD's with "only" 5,000 registrations... ummm, duh. not sure what people expected with a bajillion niche extensions... it makes sense. a lot of these extensions wernt meant to have 500,000 registrations. its time to throw away the old calculator and enter the new realm of unknown.

 

[forge]

as a domain investor, you probably cant.

thats why registries are the new domainers - they cut out the traditional domainer. thats where a lot of the attitude of people on this forum comes from... being pissed they cant register these for $8 and that the registry is charging $300/year..

so people compile lists and go HA! look! this registry only sold 2,000 registrations... hardy har har how pathetic. its only pathetic because the money isnt going in their pocket. like donuts.co registry for example... even selling 2 domains per TLD knocks out like what, 1/8th of their application fee of 185k! for 2 domains they get close to 25k! then take all the ones people register at $1,200, $700, $300 and even $150... it adds up pretty quick.

but as a domainer theres WAY WAY too many combinations to snatch up even if you were able to grab the super duper premium at $8/year... with this many combinations the hope of flipping them seems slim to me.

but people laughing at TLD's with "only" 5,000 registrations... ummm, duh. not sure what people expected with a bajillion niche extensions... it makes sense. a lot of these extensions wernt meant to have 500,000 registrations. its time to throw away the old calculator and enter the new realm of unknown.

I can honestly say I cannot understand the fascination that seems to be currently attached to these new extensions. The endless and redundant discussions about their purported merits (or not) have already become tiresome. Today I scanned the gTLD forum and found myself shocked to see .MENU, yes I'd seen it before but I'd already forgotten its existence. Similarly, so many of these are forgettable. They are far too niche. Others will refute this of course. Sometimes I resist change. But with this massive influx I don't see change, I don't even see innovation. Who cares what I see or what I think. Way back when I lost my shirt with .cc domains, because I was stupid. I'm still stupid, but I also see history being repeated, and a whole lot of folks are going to lose their shirts. Big time. Innovation be damned.

 

[mjnels]

I can honestly say I cannot understand the fascination that seems to be currently attached to these new extensions. The endless and redundant discussions about their purported merits (or not) have already become tiresome. Today I scanned the gTLD forum and found myself shocked to see .MENU, yes I'd seen it before but I'd already forgotten its existence. Similarly, so many of these are forgettable. They are far too niche. Others will refute this of course. Sometimes I resist change. But with this massive influx I don't see change, I don't even see innovation. Who cares what I see or what I think. Way back when I lost my shirt with .cc domains, because I was stupid. I'm still stupid, but I also see history being repeated, and a whole lot of folks are going to lose their shirts. Big time. Innovation be damned.

because this is a domain forum.. im not sure why you wouldn't understand the fascination. this sort of thing has never happened before on such a large scale.. not even 1/100th of anything like this has happened before in such a short period of time. just because a person admits its interesting doesnt mean you gotta "invest" in them..

a year ago people here were pretending nobody would be talking about it. i even remember JB Lions saying something like "nobody cares about this, you're the only one who keeps bringing it up" as if it was just going to fade away. :lol:

its going to continue to be talked about and people will pretend they have it all figured out... saying "history will repeat itself."

not really. this aint just .mobi or .cc... yes domainers will lose money but the big dogs were saying stuff like 99% will die on the vine. :lol:

hilarious... you know whats dead on the vine? people that have had the same .com .net .org domains in their signature for the last 10 years that arnt developed websites. just sitting there, rotting..

 

[JB Lions]

because this is a domain forum.. im not sure why you wouldn't understand the fascination. this sort of thing has never happened before on such a large scale.. not even 1/100th of anything like this has happened before in such a short period of time. just because a person admits its interesting doesnt mean you gotta "invest" in them..

a year ago people here were pretending nobody would be talking about it. i even remember JB Lions saying something like "nobody cares about this, you're the only one who keeps bringing it up" as if it was just going to fade away. :lol:

its going to continue to be talked about and people will pretend they have it all figured out... saying "history will repeat itself."

not really. this aint just .mobi or .cc... yes domainers will lose money but the big dogs were saying stuff like 99% will die on the vine. :lol:

hilarious... you know whats dead on the vine? people that have had the same .com .net .org domains in their signature for the last 10 years that arnt developed websites. just sitting there, rotting..

I'm saying the real world doesn't care about it. Doesn't seem like you do either based on your whopping 0 purchases. But, but, but., it's never been done before

 

[mjnels]

I'm saying the real world doesn't care about it. Doesn't seem like you do either based on your whopping 0 purchases. But, but, but., it's never been done before

so i have to buy these TLD's to continue to have a viewpoint on them.. oh OK man.

nah, you were referring to people on this forum. at the time nobody was really talking about it and you made reference to that saying i was the only one talking about it acting like its just gonna fade away when they came out.

 

[forge]

because this is a domain forum.. im not sure why you wouldn't understand the fascination. this sort of thing has never happened before on such a large scale.. not even 1/100th of anything like this has happened before in such a short period of time. just because a person admits its interesting doesnt mean you gotta "invest" in them..

a year ago people here were pretending nobody would be talking about it. i even remember JB Lions saying something like "nobody cares about this, you're the only one who keeps bringing it up" as if it was just going to fade away. :lol:

its going to continue to be talked about and people will pretend they have it all figured out... saying "history will repeat itself."

not really. this aint just .mobi or .cc... yes domainers will lose money but the big dogs were saying stuff like 99% will die on the vine. :lol:

hilarious... you know whats dead on the vine? people that have had the same .com .net .org domains in their signature for the last 10 years that arnt developed websites. just sitting there, rotting..

Well it does seem to be the same relatively few people talking about them.

True?

 

[JB Lions]

so i have to buy these TLD's to continue to have a viewpoint on them.. oh OK man.

nah, you were referring to people on this forum. at the time nobody was really talking about it and you made reference to that saying i was the only one talking about it acting like its just gonna fade away when they came out.

It's the ole, putting your money where your mouth is. Most others who believe in them, back it up with actual purchases. And I never said people on this forum wouldn't talk about them, that doesn't make sense. Do you have a link to the thread where I said that? Every new extension gets talked about.

Clarify your viewpoint, because you seem to be bouncing around on it. Some threads you say they're not a good investment for domainers, other threads you act like they're the second coming. So only for end users? Or what exactly.

 

[mjnels]

It's the ole, putting your money where your mouth is. Most others who believe in them, back it up with actual purchases. And I never said people on this forum wouldn't talk about them, that doesn't make sense. Do you have a link to the thread where I said that? Every new extension get's talked about.

dude, for the last time, pay attention to what im saying: i think gTLD as a whole will catch on and be used often in the future. im not saying it will be profitable for domainers.

its harder for domainers to pick "winners" with a bajillion word combinations available - now believing that: why would i register some?

its because you picture everyone on one side of the line or another. you picture "pro gTLD" people and "anti gTLD" people... these arnt sports teams.. this isnt politics.. this isnt a religion. you dont have to pick an extreme side.

you hear things like "this has never been done before" and you respond like a 12 year old... "well you better buy some then hardy har har har" :wave:

 

[JB Lions]

dude, for the last time, pay attention to what im saying: i think gTLD as a whole will catch on and be used often in the future. im not saying it will be profitable for domainers.

its harder for domainers to pick "winners" with a bajillion word combinations available - now believing that: why would i register some?

its because you picture everyone on one side of the line or another. you picture "pro gTLD" people and "anti gTLD" people... these arnt sports teams.. this isnt politics.. this isnt a religion. you dont have to pick an extreme side.

you hear things like "this has never been done before" and you respond like a 12 year old... "well you better buy some then hardy har har har" :wave:

Got it, you're basically saying domainers should stay away just like you're doing.

 

[forge]

dude, for the last time, pay attention to what im saying: i think gTLD as a whole will catch on and be used often in the future. im not saying it will be profitable for domainers.

its harder for domainers to pick "winners" with a bajillion word combinations available - now believing that: why would i register some?

its because you picture everyone on one side of the line or another. you picture "pro gTLD" people and "anti gTLD" people... these arnt sports teams.. this isnt politics.. this isnt a religion. you dont have to pick an extreme side.

you hear things like "this has never been done before" and you respond like a 12 year old... "well you better buy some then hardy har har har" :wave:

Did you ever stop to think that maybe YOU'RE the one here who might need a time out and maybe a little seed money for a .MATURE

 

[mjnels]

Did you ever stop to think that maybe YOU'RE the one here who might need a time out and maybe a little seed money for a .MATURE

hi there.. nearly all your posts are confusing.

 

[DU]

Did you ever stop to think that maybe YOU'RE the one here who might need a time out and maybe a little seed money for a .MATURE

I thought the last post was quite cogent. Just because something isn't a good investment doesn't mean that the idea is dead on arrival.

Some people get too invested in their beliefs making reasonable discussion impossible, It's quite possible for there to be a sea change in the internet without the domainers being the driver.

These things are just names. The idea that one name is and will forever remain superior is simply not going to hold. Once upon a time people ran around the US with names like Gertrude, Nellie, and Eleanor. They used to dressed their boys in dresses:

. Even until recently nice girls didn't get tattoos:

 

[DnEbook]

slow down folks ……you have the rest of your life to hate all these new fandaggled gtld's

 

[McDuke]

slow down folks ……you have the rest of your life to hate all these new fandaggled gtld's

yup everyone is suffering from asymmetric insight :D

There is no right, no wrong, just actions that time will either reward or make a domainer feel like they have a fork stuck in their eye.

 

[McDuke]

People are still allowed to hate gTLD's though.