STATE OF THE NEW G'S

[Internet.Domains]

The current STATE OF THE NEW G'S is good!...or is it?

After nearly 3 years into the introduction of New G's there remains:
* Very low 'End User' usage
* Very little aftermarket activity
* Declining inquiries
* Inconsistent registry changes affecting drops, renewals and pricing
* Little to none public awareness

In conclusion, the current STATE OF THE NEW G'S is not good.

(Disclaimer: I am a proponent and investor of New G's, but I tend to have a REALIST view of things)

 

[deez007]

I only have issues with gibberish and nonsensical arguments.

No, you just have issues.... period.

 

[Bram C.]

Tell you what Deez, this "fighting" contributes to nothing. Let's just agree to disagree and leave it at that.

 

[168]

Because I live in Europe, and I am in a good position to observe the European market(s).
Local extensions are dominant and often preferred to .com (but .com is OK too).

Please understand that I am not a 'commie' with blinders on, I invest in ccTLDs too.


Just talk to real people, for example relatives, clients, coworkers. Show them some magazines where you see advertising for new extensions. Ask simple, neutral questions like:

• What do you think ? Are they cool or not ?
  
• Would you use one for your next business venture ?
  
• What if we used one for our next campaign ?
• etc

What I have observed so far is not downright hostility but indifference.
Some TLDs sure are silly, when I told a colleague that .lol is a real extension - he lolled. What he must be thinking is that those strings are funny but not for serious projects.


Domain hacks are not mainstream at all. More like gadgets. There are few well-know sites on domain hacks, and the most prominent ones have migrated to better names.
To clarify, when I talk about ccTLDs, I mean used in their natural markets, not as domains hacks


I've read this many times on NP. The young generation is supposedly going to drive the gTLD revolution.
How is that going to happen ? The popular sites that the young use today are all on .com or ccTLDs.
IMO it's wishful thinking, and not going to happen by magic.
If you have kids, ask them what they think.

To sum up in once sentence it could go like this:
"OK, new TLDs are not gaining much ground today, but there's hope so let's keep moving the goalposts and hope it will be alright".
Instead, the question I would be asking is why they aren't getting a warmer reception today and what would it take to change the situation.

I think the argument is flawed to some extent. Because pricing isn't the single issue, TLDs are more than mere technical identifiers, they are brands. End users pay for brand recognition. Just like they will pay for shiny offices on Main Street, even though they could get equally functional offices on Slum Alley for a fraction of the price (you guess it: some potential customers are reluctant to go shopping on Slum Alley).

Nonetheless, many domains have been registered in new extensions for pennies.
I think that it's not business lost to domainers, because end users buying regfee domains had no intention to pay a premium anyway.
People always have options available if they want to avoid domainers. The supply of domain names is virtually infinite. Quality is scarce but it's relative too. Plenty of viable domains can still be found even in .com (and ccTLDs).
End user demand is always overestimated.

The same worn out arguments.
I respect your observations of your local market. That's where we diverge. The local market is nowhere near indicative of the Global market.
commies is in reference to admirable unyielding support in favor of a specific mindset vs evolution.
In my world it's rude and unprofessional to attend a conversation you have no interest in beyond a negative view. If you would like to start your own threads and publish facts in favor of your position that would be great!
Real people? LOL
Sorry, most of my time is spent in Silicon Valley, working with defense contractors, life sciences, tech companies, retail, health care, and start ups. In my spare time I have immersed myself in New Gen advanced studies competitions, non-profit board positions, product creation and life long studies of other cultures.
Just 2 weeks ago while talking with my personal banker she mentioned looking for a domain for their side business. She said they gave up "because everything they wanted was gone" After we talked about all of the new extensions available they now have the domain they wanted in a New "G".
A few years ago after talking with one of my clients, they decided to get their own extension. A long time conservative giant.

The New Gens are frikin awesome. They blow the doors off all of the generations before them. Big mistake if you think you know
how they "should" proceed. Unlike Steve Jobs, they don't need acid to see beyond

I suppose when I talk about the New "G"s in my neighborhood it would reasonable to assume I get a very different response.
Ground Zero. Nice perk. Copious amounts of people from all over the world. No shortage of diverse opinions.
Slum Alley in my neighborhood produces a significant amount of new products and companies. We embrace any available space !

Momentum is building. I've seen it enough times to trust it. Timing is another factor. Near perfect time in the business cycle short of economic or political intervention. The state of New "G"s are doing just fine. No way are they going away. No way will they fade into the shadows of the legacies or country codes. They will coexist side by side. Some day "domainers" will too.

I do make every effort to back my positions so others can confirm rather than assume what they read is fact
I would greatly appreciate facts to back comments like these.
"the most prominent ones have migrated to better names."
Such broad statements without examples are just opinions suggesting fact.
talking about .lol - more absurd examples. Who wouldn't LOL at that?
Using "serious projects" - are those the only projects that count ?
It would be great if you would stop using the absurd like .LOL to "brand" an entire sector and legitimize blanket statements
You shy away from some of the more "serious" New "G" standouts. Maybe it's too early. I understand.
Lots of people won't articulate until the obvious presents. Nothing wrong with that.
In the mean time I would greatly appreciate facts that everyone can confirm and come to their own conclusions.,
Cheers

 

[deez007]

Tell you what Deez, this "fighting" contributes to nothing. Let's just agree to disagree and leave it at that.

HAAHA dude.... please read my reply like earlier on this thread to sooo many people.. thats what I have been singing the whole time... it is what it is, some like nGTLDs and some dont like nGTLD's and each have their own merits

 

[Bram C.]

HAAHA dude.... please read my reply like earlier on this thread to sooo many people.. thats what I have been singing the whole time... it is what it is, some like nGTLDs and some dont like nGTLD's and each have their own merits

Honestly haven't seen you say that. Well I definitely agree with you on that.
So there you go, something we agree on.

 

[dordomai]

The same worn out arguments.
I respect your observations of your local market. That's where we diverge. The local market is nowhere near indicative of the Global market.
commies is in reference to admirable unyielding support in favor of a specific mindset vs evolution.
In my world it's rude and unprofessional to attend a conversation you have no interest in beyond a negative view. If you would like to start your own threads and publish facts in favor of your position that would be great!
Real people? LOL
Sorry, most of my time is spent in Silicon Valley, working with defense contractors, life sciences, tech companies, retail, health care, and start ups. In my spare time I have immersed myself in New Gen advanced studies competitions, non-profit board positions, product creation and life long studies of other cultures.
Just 2 weeks ago while talking with my personal banker she mentioned looking for a domain for their side business. She said they gave up "because everything they wanted was gone" After we talked about all of the new extensions available they now have the domain they wanted in a New "G".
A few years ago after talking with one of my clients, they decided to get their own extension. A long time conservative giant.

The New Gens are frikin awesome. They blow the doors off all of the generations before them. Big mistake if you think you know
how they "should" proceed. Unlike Steve Jobs, they don't need acid to see beyond

I suppose when I talk about the New "G"s in my neighborhood it would reasonable to assume I get a very different response.
Ground Zero. Nice perk. Copious amounts of people from all over the world. No shortage of diverse opinions.
Slum Alley in my neighborhood produces a significant amount of new products and companies. We embrace any available space !

Momentum is building. I've seen it enough times to trust it. Timing is another factor. Near perfect time in the business cycle short of economic or political intervention. The state of New "G"s are doing just fine. No way are they going away. No way will they fade into the shadows of the legacies or country codes. They will coexist side by side. Some day "domainers" will too.

I do make every effort to back my positions so others can confirm rather than assume what they read is fact
I would greatly appreciate facts to back comments like these.
"the most prominent ones have migrated to better names."
Such broad statements without examples are just opinions suggesting fact.
talking about .lol - more absurd examples. Who wouldn't LOL at that?
Using "serious projects" - are those the only projects that count ?
It would be great if you would stop using the absurd like .LOL to "brand" an entire sector and legitimize blanket statements
You shy away from some of the more "serious" New "G" standouts. Maybe it's too early. I understand.
Lots of people won't articulate until the obvious presents. Nothing wrong with that.
In the mean time I would greatly appreciate facts that everyone can confirm and come to their own conclusions.,
Cheers

i guess that we will need to wait for some years to see the outcome...

My guess is that they will not be popular within the next 3 years. Then 5-6 years after launch they will be considered unpopular and will be mostly shunned since they never took off. No one wants to build on a failed extension.

Businesses will continue to build on successful extensions and avoid the ones that did not succeed in the marketplace.

Either they succeed within the next few years or never. That is my guess. At the moment it appears that there is very little momentum and I don't think that will change soon,

 

[mad409]

If we were at a bar I'd still by you all a round of drinks... Agree, or disagree...

Either they succeed within the next few years or never. That is my guess.,

That's my plan... Now let me buy you a drink...

 

[168]

By your logic ride.horse should be comparable to ride.com and car.racing to car.com. They are all one word domains right? lol



It's funny how most new gTLD lovers always use the example of the keyword after the dot and say you need to look at the domain as a whole to understand its value. But when they compare it with a .com they conveniently ignore what is after the dot . You can't have both A .com on the other hand is (and always has been) valued on what's left of the dot. You keep saying gTLDs are so different to .com yet whenever it's convenient to you you say they should be compared to .com the exact same way lol

Nah. Sorry you just don't get the comparisons.
your examples explain why our comparisons are so far apart.
No dis intended but ride.horse and car.racing isn't even close to ride.com or car.com
The comparison I would use is ridehorse.com and carracing.com Of course you knew that.
Cheers

 

[Bram C.]

ride.horse and car.racing isn't even close to ride.com or car.com
The comparison I would use is ridehorse.com and carracing.com Of course you knew that.
Cheers

Second gTLd post I agree with today. I'm on a roll

 

[168]

i guess that we will need to wait for some years to see the outcome...

My guess is that they will not be popular within the next 3 years. Then 5-6 years after launch they will be considered unpopular and will be mostly shunned since they never took off. No one wants to build on a failed extension.

Businesses will continue to build on successful extensions and avoid the ones that did not succeed in the marketplace.

Either they succeed within the next few years or never. That is my guess. At the moment it appears that there is very little momentum and I don't think that will change soon,

WHOT ? !!
"Businesses will continue to build on successful extensions and avoid the ones that did not succeed in the marketplace".
Are you saying some will succeed ? SCORE!
One thing we all agree on is lots will fail, but the ones that don't YAHOOOOO
Thanks Dordormai !

 

[Bram C.]

If we were at a bar I'd still by you all a round of drinks... Agree, or disagree...


That's my plan... Now let me buy you a drink...

I'd like my Martini shaken, not stirred.

 

[168]

the nGTLDs will not become popular fast enough because people don't respond well to them.

OK Last time,
Both you and Kate argue New "G"s aren't doing well because end users don't know about them.
Now, you claim "people don't respond well to them"
Now, Kate claims " they don't like them" "wouldn't use them for "serious projects"
Which is it?

 

[168]

from 2015

reddit.com/r/talesfromcallcenters/comments/344dkb/what_web_browser_are_you_using_i_dont_know_what



What is a nGTLD??? Dot What? Business.global.com ???

Good luck advertising any of these new URLs...

OH, now i get it.
One example from a call center.
Thanks

 

[168]

I think I read that thread, didn't find anything conclusive.

We will be sure to cc you as more factual information is reported. We like facts.
Cheers

 

[slader23]

Regardless of whatever's been said here between us, I still highly respect both @Kate , @dordomai and @Bram C. 's opinions. Apart from NGTLD's I think your all very knowledgable experts in your respective niches.

 

[eurorealtor]

In 2016 couple of my new GTLDs got offers @ mid $x,xxx & low $xx,xxx over DNS.
I believe Brokers @ DNS have decent skills, but still both Buyers backed up. Most likely found .com instead. May be, because both domains have "premium" renewals ($160/year & $80/year).

 

[slader23]

In 2016 couple of my new GTLDs got offers @ mid $x,xxx & low $xx,xxx over DNS.
I believe Brokers @ DNS have decent skills, but still both Buyers backed up. Most likely found .com instead. May be, because both domains have "premium" renewals ($160/year & $80/year).

Yea premium renewals can be a killer to any ngtld sale. However there are still massive deals and innefficiences going on that people aren't waking up to.

For example, I just got a killer emd SUITSFOR.MEN until 2023 and paid like $6, because it was a dropped premium that wasn't picked up again by the registry. I'm going to max it out for another 4 years and let it sit and appreciate, all for slightly under $10. We're in the Wild West right now for NGTLDs, All you gotta do is stay bold and keep vigilant my friend.

 

[garptrader]

I was walking through downtown West Palm and noticed a website development / online marketing office. Their domain is....

Naked.Digital

If that domain or the .Com equivalent were in auction a couple years ago how much would you have bid on the domain? This is the same thing we have seen with .TV and .CO - startups may use them but they are reluctant to pay an investor a premium for an aftermarket domain. So domainers get stuck paying renewals for years waiting for the market to mature. Years later you get tired of wasting money. End users will find something available for regular fee.

 

[HotKey]

I was walking through downtown West Palm and noticed a website development / online marketing office. Their domain is....

Naked.Digital

If that domain or the .Com equivalent were in auction a couple years ago how much would you have bid on the domain? This is the same thing we have seen with .TV and .CO - startups may use them but they are reluctant to pay an investor a premium for an aftermarket domain. So domainers get stuck paying renewals for years waiting for the market to mature. Years later you get tired of wasting money. End users will find something available for regular fee.

Solid food for thought, thanks.
Currently there is no map for the new namescape. Unless you're willing to put shovel to dirt and sweat it out a bit, it's easier to just stay away.
The new G's offer so many naming solutions, that it's way more difficult for domainers to anticipate what to invest in. And exactly, why pay a premium when you now have the choice to not.

 

[Kate]

the nGTLDs will not become popular fast enough because people don't respond well to them. If they don't make it within a few years, maybe 5 they will be considered failed and never gain any meaningful traction.

we are already 3 years into the program, if something doesn't happen soon, it will never happen IMO.

I completely agree. Time is running out fast, and momentum is not going to last forever.
New extensions are already old news.

I am myself surprised that corporations that have applied for their own extensions have not been bolder and more assertive. 20 corpTLDs have already been abandoned.
Look at Barclays for example. They are depicted as a success story. They have switched to home.barclays, and indeed all the links on their site point to the new extension, with one exception. Look at the screenshot below.

I wonder why.
Their migration took place 18 months ago if I'm correct. But they are still relying on their .co.uk for the most critical section of their website. This is confusing, what's the point of moving your site to your own string if your are going to maintain a legacy presence alongside. It's useless fragmentation and suggests lack of confidence in your branding strategy.

I don't think new extensions will ever be mainstream. There isn't enough critical mass. Don't let the figures fool you, they are hugely inflated and don't translate to widespread quality development or consumer awareness.
After all .tk is the biggest ccTLD by the numbers.

And even if big corporations like Barclays Google etc start using their strings prominently, it doesn't mean that the smaller, ordinary companies will want to switch to alt extensions. What I mean is, even big companies leading by example will in fact produce limited impact. Business owners will think: "OK Google use their own TLD, so what - I don't have my own anyway. It doesn't change a thing for me".