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For the benefit and edification of all who will ponder the move, I chose to make this public.

Most of you know me, as I've been here since perhaps the 2nd year of NP's existence. I've been a moderator/section leader for quite some time, too. I have over 100 positive TR's and am one of the few who have Achieved Greatness. And for good measure, I'll add that I moderate eleven forums here. I am a writer by trade (I am the editor of the in-hiatus namepros.com newsletter) but, as a favor to Rachel James (aka NPQueen), I joined the NP team. Those were such great days. NP was doing outstanding & people came here daily to learn the tricks of the trade and sell a domain or two. I still converse with her and her husband, Ron (aka RJ) at times. The staff here was tremendous. Michelle and Wendy were powerhouses. RJ kept things in order. And, let’s face it, everyone loved seeing the Queen in the chatroom. Things were great.

But just like every shattered dream, nothing ever lasts forever.

Things started falling apart here no long ago. All told, Ron sold NP, his baby, to someone who was going to make NP better. Yeah, traffic was decreasing a bit, among other things, and the most practical way to keep NP alive was to sell it to an entity that could stop the bleeding. I do not blame RJ for selling. He did what was best for the site. And I will not criticize Matt, the buyer of NP. Yet I do find myself questioning & here I am today, typing this out as a way to not answer these questions but to cut loose the burden of having to question them in the first place.

We all have our hopes and dreams. One of my hopes was that Matt would pump life into this site, reinvigorating NP from the inside-out. Sadly, all that had been achieved was the descent and deterioration of all that Ron had made. The worst part? We were warned but ignored it completely.

Well, nearly everyone did, anyway. I was the lone exception. Who was the prophet who first brought the issue to light? Wendy.

Ya see, as communities such as NP grow ever so big, the prospect of keeping order is a requirement. Without order, you’ll have anarchy (or something as pointlessly worthless as GFY). NP was kind of the anti-GFY: This is a moderated community and the mods here actually TRY to help ppl. But yes, moderation is needed for the grand scheme of things to float. That cannot be debated. A person is smart; people are retarded, panicky, and self-destructive. People cannot self-moderate. That’s where mods (or police, in the physical world) come in. And yes, all forms of law enforcement are hated. The issue at hand here is not the prospect of moderation.

It’s over-moderation.

Let me ask a question: What constitutes as over-moderation? Surely, penalizing people for every little thing is bad. Sometimes, a reminder to the offender that he/she was in the wrong can solve the problem. Crucifying EVEYONE isn’t the way to go. By doing so, you would, in essence, be over-modding.

But is ALL moderating “over-modding”? I once had this to say about the departed Wendy:

“I do have to side with Wendy. She and I have spoken throughout the years & I see her points. She was a good moderator/authority figure. But that draws the ire of the public. No one likes breaking a rule & being punished for it. All of us mods go through with it: If we ignore something bad, the bad guy in the situation would get away with it & wouldn't have anything bad to say. BUT the moment he's caught with his hand in the cookie jar, there'll be a long rant by the bad guy, chastising the mod for what ultimately boils down to the bad guy getting an infraction. We are 'police' here @ NP. And when ppl do bad, they'll always have criticisms. Wendy's done a lot over the years, more than most of us had. And that being true, she's had the most criticism of us all.

I'm not saying Wendy being removed was a good or bad thing. I'm only saying here that Wendy was given a bad rep from users who've been disciplined by her & it snowballed into her image being shot up pretty badly. We've all gone through it. We've all made at least 1 enemy doing our job. Wendy, sadly, made a lotta enemies. It wasn't from the quality of her work. It was the fact that she DID her work and did it well. The good guys like her. The bad guys hate her.”

Yes, poor mis_chiff stepped away. Upon her departure, I considered doing the same, as all she spoke of really made sense. I tried, instead, to ignore matters & rather than leaving, I took up a few more forums, to help out NP. I tried to dismiss the regression, pretending that everything was going to work out in the end. A few weeks later and things are now even worse. Not only is Wendy gone but a lot of the class and style had left with her. Yes, the bad guys won: She was driven out by the naysayers and spammers and rule-breakers. Wendy is gone. And today, on May 20, 2012, my name shall be added along with hers.

Effective immediately, I resign from all staff positions here at namepros.com.

Ironically, Eric told me that management believed that I was “under stress” & removed me from several forums, to collect myself. He sent me this message awhile after I made this decision to step down from everything. It isn’t stress that had gotten to me: It’s that people suddenly have gotten otherwise blind or oblivious to the rules. Again, I am an exception. Sure, I’m not perfect. Who is? We all make mistakes. But since Matt took over, NP had only gotten worse--and I’m afraid it’ll never return to its glory. Hell, I’m thinking NP might fall completely at this rate. And this destruction is from mismanagement, not mods.

Nowadays, people can cuss a storm, be impolite, and provoke argument & we mods are powerless to stop it. Today alone, I had an issue. There was a post made that contained very belligerent language & provoked a lotta bad thoughts. Had RJ been here, that post would have stayed deleted. See, Eric saw the post & refused to delete it, opting to edit a few small things. I received a complaint & saw no reason to keep such a poor post, thus I deleted it. Eric then UN-DELETED it, telling me a load of rigmarole about free speech and whatnot. (He tried to justify things by telling me I called the poster retarded, thus what comes around, goes around; I in no way called the poster retarded but merely stated that he was acting retarded) IT BROKE A LONGSTANDING NP RULE! It was impolite, offensive, belligerent, and was posted in the hopes of causing turmoil. From the NP rules:

“Posts critical of NamePros policies, staff or moderation activity (such as post edits or deletions) will likely be removed, as well as posts attempting to stir unwelcome drama (such as "I'm Leaving" type posts). If you have problems with a moderator or feel you have not been treated fairly, please contact a NamePros Administrator through the private forum we have provided.”

This exact thread might be considered as “critical” though it is merely for constructive thought (there is much worse to be read in the “Suggestions” thread). Eric, I ask that you not delete this thread or edit it in any way. If others have opinions, they should voice them, as that is the intention of this thread, other than my announcement. It may help management prevent the bleeding further.

But yes, the post I removed was against ToS & I removed it. It was then re-added by a staff member who wanted to appease users. I’ve discussed it above and I’ll say it like this: We should NOT bend to the will of rule-breakers simply to keep them happy. I don’t. But many others here do. A month back, I deleted a thread with good reason & was beseeched to re-add it simply because the poster whined and cried about it & wanted it returned. I only re-added it to prevent further bad-taste in everyone’s mouth. I suppose I contradicted myself: I did succumb before. But I will not again, ever.

I’m done. I am tired of other people telling me how to do my job. And I did my job pretty damn well. But others wanted me to regress, to make the bad guys happy. No. Forget it. During the first few months I’ve been a mod, there was an incident where a remorse-seller gave me grief over a $600 deal. He had 100% no right to the name (he refused a refund a billion times) but I caved--to protect the sanctity of NP’s image. That was when Ron and Rachel were here. I liked them. I still do. And I respect the hell outta them. They did all they could to make NP a better community. I became a mod out of respect and loyalty to them. This new management is tearing at the gears that have kept NP running all these years. In April, NP lost a team leader. In May, NP had lost a section leader. I’m afraid to wonder what’ll come up missing next month.

Nevermore shall I moderate at this forum. Wendy was right. Namepros.com is going soft & will more than likely become a haven for chaos here in the near future. I’ll probably still be here, in one fashion or another, to watch it crumble down. When it does, I’ll sleep better at night knowing that there is no blood on my hands. This wasn’t my doing. I wish NP the very best, truly. I still love this site. But if I cannot do my job the way it’s supposed to be done, then I simply won’t do it, at all.
 
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"You're just pissed because of being dealt with by a mod OVER A YEAR AGO. Come on, move on already."

No, I'm not mad about that, that's old news. You started this thread, not me. Seems like you and Wendy are the ones still not over it, that's why she's got you doing this. And the example you gave, just backs up the problem. I linked to a thread on Gizmodo talking about 3d in a thread about 3d domains and got flagged for spamming. And then you wonder why things were falling apart, traffic decreasing, bleeding.


Impressive work.

You've managed to ignore every good point someone has made in this thread and focus on only the points you feel you can justify.

:rolleyes:
 
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Impressive work.

You've managed to ignore every good point someone has made in this thread and focus on only the points you feel you can justify.

:rolleyes:

Go ahead and list the good points you think I missed. Make sure they're "quality"

Oh, wait, I forgot about this nonsense:

"But you being pissy over you being a bad member long ago is really getting old."

So again, demonstrating the problem with a couple of now retired mods, who define a bad member as:

1. what I mentioned above. Linking to an article on 3d at gizmodo. The horror, how could I do such a thing.

2. linking out the Social.com auction

3. I said a coupon didn't work in the GoDaddy coupon thread

4. somebody asking for advice on one of their .me domains in the .ME thread, deleted, my reply deleted. That's why that thread exists in the first place.

5. somebody brought up one of my domains in a thread that was for sale somewhere, I replied that was mine, all deleted

That was stuff deleted/flagged. That's what some past mods thought were bad members, when it was actually a bad mod/mod not knowing the rules issue.
 
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I'll simply ignore JB as he has nothing new to add to the pot (maybe I don't either, JB. But to each his own).

Let's try this out: If you were all mods, what would you do? How would you moderate? Would you do anything differently?
 
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The entirety of defaultuser's post.

http://www.namepros.com/4318540-post35.html

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The fact you disregarded a previous post on an incorrect premise - and then chose not to respond when I justified what I was saying.

http://www.namepros.com/4318538-post34.html

Yours wasn't worth getting in a long discussion about member vs. individual.

Default wrote a book again, I replied to some of it.

I'll simply ignore JB as he has nothing new to add to the pot (maybe I don't either, JB. But to each his own).

Let's try this out: If you were all mods, what would you do? How would you moderate? Would you do anything differently?

That's been gone over already. But here's how it felt like. I just got the Blues Brothers on bluray a couple of weeks ago. The moderation reminded me of when Jake and Elwood visited the nun. They stepped a little out of line, got cracked with a ruler. Way too uptight, zapping people for every little thing. I mentioned a coupon didn't work, whoopty doo. If one person mentions it doesn't work, it might be just them/on their end. A second one confirms it. Just go visit an old thread, anywhere on this forum and scroll. Now that we can see the deletes, it's even more eye opening.
 
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Let's try this out: If you were all mods, what would you do? How would you moderate? Would you do anything differently?

I would make Fonzie "Sit on it"

:lol:
 
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Okay. That's understood. But what I'm curious about: You're saying that there is no problems here. At least, hat's how I perceive it. Precisely, where are you getting this? I wanna turn the tables around and ask you: Rather than me proving things are bad, can you prove that things are better than they were, say, a year ago? I'm really curious.

Yours wasn't worth getting in a long discussion about member vs. individual.

Default wrote a book again, I replied to some of it.
 
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Yours wasn't worth getting in a long discussion about member vs. individual.

That was the locus of the whole discussion. I say forum = community, you say forum = vessel for domain selling. I wasn't looking to get in to a long discussion about individual vs member as linguists and sociologists have already concluded that one for us.

Again, you missed the point.

Default wrote a book again, I replied to some of it.

I don't see a reply of note - but let's not get into the argument about subjectivity again. :gl:
 
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"Rather than me proving things are bad, can you prove that things are better than they were, say, a year ago? I'm really curious."

I haven't been zapped in a long time for doing nothing wrong. So I imagine, others aren't either. New members aren't getting flagged as a spammer for following the rules. If you look at the examples I gave above, and that was just for me. Imagine all the other members that got nonsense zaps as well. Why do you think there were so many complaints? So, to me, it feels a little more loose around here. Of course you still handle spammers and such, but you don't crack the ruler on minor league stuff. And again, a mod should know the rules, I figure that was pretty basic.

"I wasn't looking to get in to a long discussion about individual vs member as linguists and sociologists have already concluded that one for us."

Well, in a nutshell, a member doesn't have 1 definition. It could be more just social, some people are here for strictly business, some for everything. There is no right or wrong to that.
 
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If you were all mods, what would you do?

If I was a mod/admin for a second...I surely would remove the tags to this thread..
(update..Found the "F" bomb , kinda childish in a debate/discussion. Thanks whoever removed it)
 
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"I wasn't looking to get in to a long discussion about individual vs member as linguists and sociologists have already concluded that one for us."

Well, in a nutshell, a member doesn't have 1 definition. It could be more just social, some people are here for strictly business, some for everything. There is no right or wrong to that.

A member is an individual with an identity - agreed. The issue lies with how those members interact. If they are all here to conduct business, the forum not looking has a community in the conventional sense, but instead has a business membership. That would mean that Namepros would be no different from a number of other domain marketplace sites currently on the internet.

The people leaving are those who help address this balance and create a community that helps to nurture new blood and gives them the domaining 'bug'. So, if you don't address this issue, you'll eventually see the forum fall in on itself as the community as we know it will cease to be sustainable.

That is why people are concerned about this forum.
 
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"That is why people are concerned about this forum."

If you were truly concerned, then you should be happy this forum is friendlier to new members now, loosened up the collar a bit. This forum still has good members and new people get into this business everyday.
 
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That was the locus of the whole discussion. I say forum = community, you say forum = vessel for domain selling. I wasn't looking to get in to a long discussion about individual vs member as linguists and sociologists have already concluded that one for us.

Again, you missed the point.



I don't see a reply of note - but let's not get into the argument about subjectivity again. :gl:

Very well said. And a point well made.

This place used to be a place for "Friends" to talk domains, share ideas and come together to help one another. And yes n00bs, we made money.

But our sole reasoning for being here wasn't just to make money.

I still know who my family is around here, Tom you have always been a great mentor to all.

Perhaps one day the "Family" will come back together and make some thing special happen.

The thing that really offends me in this thread, Taking shots at Randy "JBLION", Very disrespectfully, Randy has been a huge contributor here for many years.
 
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That's great, but that goes both ways.
 
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I won't look into the issue between you and Wendy. I know both your sides to it. You do make good points. But again, you really wouldn't know exactly how the moderation is unless you were a mod. A load happens everyday. You do hear the disgruntled person here and there but I've only see a rare person or 2 shoot their mouth off publicly after intervention. So take the occurrences you've seen and multiply it by a few hundred. That'd tell ou how many issues there really are ere daily.

I haven't been zapped in a long time for doing nothing wrong. So I imagine, others aren't either. New members aren't getting flagged as a spammer for following the rules. If you look at the examples I gave above, and that was just for me. Imagine all the other members that got nonsense zaps as well. Why do you think there were so many complaints? So, to me, it feels a little more loose around here. Of course you still handle spammers and such, but you don't crack the ruler on minor league stuff. And again, a mod should know the rules, I figure that was pretty basic.
 
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I won't look into the issue between you and Wendy. I know both your sides to it. You do make good points. But again, you really wouldn't know exactly how the moderation is unless you were a mod. A load happens everyday. You do hear the disgruntled person here and there but I've only see a rare person or 2 shoot their mouth off publicly after intervention. So take the occurrences you've seen and multiply it by a few hundred. That'd tell ou how many issues there really are ere daily.

Check your PM in minute.
 
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"That is why people are concerned about this forum."

If you were truly concerned, then you should be happy this forum is friendlier to new members now, loosened up the collar a bit. This forum still has good members and new people get into this business everyday.

Compared to a couple of years back, this forum is in no way friendlier towards new members than it was.

You had members actively talking in the introduction threads, moving to to the Newbies section and Break Room and then on to other areas of the forum.

Nowadays, a large majority of new visitors don't both joining - and when they do it's nearly always for 1 thread or a couple of posts and off they go on.

I don't really see how this would make me happy.

I totally agree that this forum still has some excellent members and I still talk and conduct business with a number of old members who have left in recent months and years. Unfortunately, the numbers of these individuals who have the ability to motivate, inform and inspire are dwindling.
 
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I wasn't going to stoop to your level but you are so engaging and full of shit, I just had to.

Again - another thread in NP off topic
Randy's resignation, let him have that
with hiws OWN opinions and comments
YOU get to have them...
- suck it up and start a thread of your very own where it should be.


Yes, I did complain about a mod, constantly breaking/not knowing the rules, who knows how many people they chased away. And do you really think they would remove a mod from 1 person complaining?

ahahahahaha you are so full of yourself it must be hard to get through doorways

I resigned, remember!
and since I wasn't the one linking to a 3d adult magazine, I guess I did know the rules eh...

"You're just pissed because of being dealt with by a mod OVER A YEAR AGO. Come on, move on already."

No, I'm not mad about that, that's old news. You started this thread, not me. Seems like you and Wendy are the ones still not over it, that's why she's got you doing this.
Not sure where you can ever have time for a
domaining thought if you are constantly
thinking I'm behind things,and not sure why
you would think something like that, it was just a thread deleted, I didn't run over your cat in a plot to make you move out of the neighbourhood.

YOU need to get over it - I did not have Randy do anything
so take the bickering and bullshit somewhere else.

And the example you gave, just backs up the problem. I linked to a thread on Gizmodo talking about 3d in a thread about 3d domains and got flagged for spamming. And then you wonder why things were falling apart, traffic decreasing, bleeding.

Sigh, this is so fucking old - it was a 3d Adult Magazine...right?? and again - 1st post from a newbie...
and all you had to do was ASK BACK THEN!
it's done - a long time ago, get over it and
stop mentioning me like you have a badge on your chest. :wave:


geeez, being a 'regular" member and allowed to voice my opinion does have it's perks!
 
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"and since I wasn't the one linking to a 3d adult magazine, I guess I did know the rules eh..."

It's amazing you'll continue to lie. You said that lie when I brought it up in the mod forum, that I linked to Playboy, because you deleted the thread. When I brought it up, that I still had the reply you sent me, which still had the full post intact, you story changed. Gizmodo is still not an adult magazine Wendy - http://gizmodo.com/
 
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This place used to be a place for "Friends" to talk domains, share ideas and come together to help one another. And yes n00bs, we made money.

But our sole reasoning for being here wasn't just to make money.

I still know who my family is around here, Tom you have always been a great mentor to all.

Thanks for the kind words John.

I seem to remember one of the first threads I read from you, which actually is extremely poignant now.

It just goes to show how important the 'hobby' domainers are to this community.

Though I must say that -db- was a little off in his analysis. I'm just not sure how he got it so very wrong. :blink:

Perhaps one day the "Family" will come back together and make some thing special happen.

Amen to this. It would be great to see some of the old guard around again.

The thing that really offends me in this thread, Taking shots at Randy "JBLION", Very disrespectfully, Randy has been a huge contributor here for many years.

Totally agreed in the respect that Randy deserves a lot of respect for his contribution to this forum (and even more so for his continuing determination to assist where he can)


Again - another thread in NP off topic
Randy's resignation

My apologies Wendy, I believe this may have been partly my fault! Randy did mention that opinions were perfectly acceptable in his eyes. :hearts:
 
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