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For the benefit and edification of all who will ponder the move, I chose to make this public.

Most of you know me, as I've been here since perhaps the 2nd year of NP's existence. I've been a moderator/section leader for quite some time, too. I have over 100 positive TR's and am one of the few who have Achieved Greatness. And for good measure, I'll add that I moderate eleven forums here. I am a writer by trade (I am the editor of the in-hiatus namepros.com newsletter) but, as a favor to Rachel James (aka NPQueen), I joined the NP team. Those were such great days. NP was doing outstanding & people came here daily to learn the tricks of the trade and sell a domain or two. I still converse with her and her husband, Ron (aka RJ) at times. The staff here was tremendous. Michelle and Wendy were powerhouses. RJ kept things in order. And, let’s face it, everyone loved seeing the Queen in the chatroom. Things were great.

But just like every shattered dream, nothing ever lasts forever.

Things started falling apart here no long ago. All told, Ron sold NP, his baby, to someone who was going to make NP better. Yeah, traffic was decreasing a bit, among other things, and the most practical way to keep NP alive was to sell it to an entity that could stop the bleeding. I do not blame RJ for selling. He did what was best for the site. And I will not criticize Matt, the buyer of NP. Yet I do find myself questioning & here I am today, typing this out as a way to not answer these questions but to cut loose the burden of having to question them in the first place.

We all have our hopes and dreams. One of my hopes was that Matt would pump life into this site, reinvigorating NP from the inside-out. Sadly, all that had been achieved was the descent and deterioration of all that Ron had made. The worst part? We were warned but ignored it completely.

Well, nearly everyone did, anyway. I was the lone exception. Who was the prophet who first brought the issue to light? Wendy.

Ya see, as communities such as NP grow ever so big, the prospect of keeping order is a requirement. Without order, you’ll have anarchy (or something as pointlessly worthless as GFY). NP was kind of the anti-GFY: This is a moderated community and the mods here actually TRY to help ppl. But yes, moderation is needed for the grand scheme of things to float. That cannot be debated. A person is smart; people are retarded, panicky, and self-destructive. People cannot self-moderate. That’s where mods (or police, in the physical world) come in. And yes, all forms of law enforcement are hated. The issue at hand here is not the prospect of moderation.

It’s over-moderation.

Let me ask a question: What constitutes as over-moderation? Surely, penalizing people for every little thing is bad. Sometimes, a reminder to the offender that he/she was in the wrong can solve the problem. Crucifying EVEYONE isn’t the way to go. By doing so, you would, in essence, be over-modding.

But is ALL moderating “over-modding”? I once had this to say about the departed Wendy:

“I do have to side with Wendy. She and I have spoken throughout the years & I see her points. She was a good moderator/authority figure. But that draws the ire of the public. No one likes breaking a rule & being punished for it. All of us mods go through with it: If we ignore something bad, the bad guy in the situation would get away with it & wouldn't have anything bad to say. BUT the moment he's caught with his hand in the cookie jar, there'll be a long rant by the bad guy, chastising the mod for what ultimately boils down to the bad guy getting an infraction. We are 'police' here @ NP. And when ppl do bad, they'll always have criticisms. Wendy's done a lot over the years, more than most of us had. And that being true, she's had the most criticism of us all.

I'm not saying Wendy being removed was a good or bad thing. I'm only saying here that Wendy was given a bad rep from users who've been disciplined by her & it snowballed into her image being shot up pretty badly. We've all gone through it. We've all made at least 1 enemy doing our job. Wendy, sadly, made a lotta enemies. It wasn't from the quality of her work. It was the fact that she DID her work and did it well. The good guys like her. The bad guys hate her.”

Yes, poor mis_chiff stepped away. Upon her departure, I considered doing the same, as all she spoke of really made sense. I tried, instead, to ignore matters & rather than leaving, I took up a few more forums, to help out NP. I tried to dismiss the regression, pretending that everything was going to work out in the end. A few weeks later and things are now even worse. Not only is Wendy gone but a lot of the class and style had left with her. Yes, the bad guys won: She was driven out by the naysayers and spammers and rule-breakers. Wendy is gone. And today, on May 20, 2012, my name shall be added along with hers.

Effective immediately, I resign from all staff positions here at namepros.com.

Ironically, Eric told me that management believed that I was “under stress” & removed me from several forums, to collect myself. He sent me this message awhile after I made this decision to step down from everything. It isn’t stress that had gotten to me: It’s that people suddenly have gotten otherwise blind or oblivious to the rules. Again, I am an exception. Sure, I’m not perfect. Who is? We all make mistakes. But since Matt took over, NP had only gotten worse--and I’m afraid it’ll never return to its glory. Hell, I’m thinking NP might fall completely at this rate. And this destruction is from mismanagement, not mods.

Nowadays, people can cuss a storm, be impolite, and provoke argument & we mods are powerless to stop it. Today alone, I had an issue. There was a post made that contained very belligerent language & provoked a lotta bad thoughts. Had RJ been here, that post would have stayed deleted. See, Eric saw the post & refused to delete it, opting to edit a few small things. I received a complaint & saw no reason to keep such a poor post, thus I deleted it. Eric then UN-DELETED it, telling me a load of rigmarole about free speech and whatnot. (He tried to justify things by telling me I called the poster retarded, thus what comes around, goes around; I in no way called the poster retarded but merely stated that he was acting retarded) IT BROKE A LONGSTANDING NP RULE! It was impolite, offensive, belligerent, and was posted in the hopes of causing turmoil. From the NP rules:

“Posts critical of NamePros policies, staff or moderation activity (such as post edits or deletions) will likely be removed, as well as posts attempting to stir unwelcome drama (such as "I'm Leaving" type posts). If you have problems with a moderator or feel you have not been treated fairly, please contact a NamePros Administrator through the private forum we have provided.”

This exact thread might be considered as “critical” though it is merely for constructive thought (there is much worse to be read in the “Suggestions” thread). Eric, I ask that you not delete this thread or edit it in any way. If others have opinions, they should voice them, as that is the intention of this thread, other than my announcement. It may help management prevent the bleeding further.

But yes, the post I removed was against ToS & I removed it. It was then re-added by a staff member who wanted to appease users. I’ve discussed it above and I’ll say it like this: We should NOT bend to the will of rule-breakers simply to keep them happy. I don’t. But many others here do. A month back, I deleted a thread with good reason & was beseeched to re-add it simply because the poster whined and cried about it & wanted it returned. I only re-added it to prevent further bad-taste in everyone’s mouth. I suppose I contradicted myself: I did succumb before. But I will not again, ever.

I’m done. I am tired of other people telling me how to do my job. And I did my job pretty damn well. But others wanted me to regress, to make the bad guys happy. No. Forget it. During the first few months I’ve been a mod, there was an incident where a remorse-seller gave me grief over a $600 deal. He had 100% no right to the name (he refused a refund a billion times) but I caved--to protect the sanctity of NP’s image. That was when Ron and Rachel were here. I liked them. I still do. And I respect the hell outta them. They did all they could to make NP a better community. I became a mod out of respect and loyalty to them. This new management is tearing at the gears that have kept NP running all these years. In April, NP lost a team leader. In May, NP had lost a section leader. I’m afraid to wonder what’ll come up missing next month.

Nevermore shall I moderate at this forum. Wendy was right. Namepros.com is going soft & will more than likely become a haven for chaos here in the near future. I’ll probably still be here, in one fashion or another, to watch it crumble down. When it does, I’ll sleep better at night knowing that there is no blood on my hands. This wasn’t my doing. I wish NP the very best, truly. I still love this site. But if I cannot do my job the way it’s supposed to be done, then I simply won’t do it, at all.
 
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AfternicAfternic
No, post count is post count, it's a real number. What's low quality and "excellent", now that is subjective.

The other stuff you're talking about is more suggestions, thread for that elsewhere.
 
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No, post count is post count, it's a real number. What's low quality and "excellent", now that is subjective.

True, but at the same time, it is clearly obvious what a low quality and high quality post is.

The other stuff you're talking about is more suggestions, thread for that elsewhere.

Apologies, misread what you said - I will rephrase.

Why would you want to base yourself against a competitor that is struggling? That's like saying that your site is doing great because your competitor is not doing as well, without taking into account any other variables.

DN Forum has always been a very different type of site and community to NamePros - so it's a loose comparison anyway.
 
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True, but at the same time, it is clearly obvious what a low quality and high quality post is.



Apologies, misread what you said - I will rephrase.

Why would you want to base yourself against a competitor that is struggling? That's like saying that your site is doing great because your competitor is not doing as well, without taking into account any other variables.

DN Forum has always been a very different type of site and community to NamePros - so it's a loose comparison anyway.

Do DNF is struggling? There is a thread over there talking about the lower participation, so they might be. I think they're both good forums. Either way you want to compare it, against others in the same space or the past.

Archangel posted this in his first post:

"Things started falling apart here no long ago. All told, Ron sold NP, his baby, to someone who was going to make NP better. Yeah, traffic was decreasing a bit, among other things, and the most practical way to keep NP alive was to sell it to an entity that could stop the bleeding."

That doesn't sound good, that was happening under previous owner/past mods. Now we've have some changes and the post count/participation hasn't fallen off. I know some past mods/members might have thought/wanted that to happen but it's not reality. Most people are here to do exactly what the tagline says, buy, sell, discuss domain names. This other stuff most people don't care about, just a few vocal ones. Mods/members come and go, part of forum life. Normal stuff.
 
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Love Wendy (missy)! Always been more than fair when I'm involved.

As for other mods, rules, politics, etc...it's not rocket science. Take the fair, honest approach and things will be just fine. The forum will grow organically and the quality members will prosper. As we're learning in the states, less governing is the popular choice. No need to stir the pot too much!

Matt and a few quality mods should steer the ship in the right direction while we, the deckhands, lay the ground work for a smooth ride. KISS...Keep It Simple Stupid :imho:
 
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In a way, I really wish I spoke to Matt earlier. Really, I have a lot of good ideas. I was going to talk with him about a lot of things but I’ve been excessively busy. I’d still like to contribute when I can. Maybe I’ll write a few things once we get the email prob fix (to those reading this: We’ve had issues with IPs blocking us since the 1st newsletter. That’s why there hadn’t been one in awhile).

As mentioned before, it's sad to See Archangel (Randy) go, but I do understand that if one just doesn't feel the fit is right for them anymore, they need to do what's best for them. With that said, Randy will be missed and was an asset to NamePros. He single handedly maintained the Adult section for years.

@ Sabre
As Randy mentioned already, he feels we are listening to the opinions of what the members want too much. There's suggestion threads all over NamePros where staff have gone back & forth with members about their ideas & we even tried implementing many of them. We are always open minded to any and all ideas & suggestions, actively engaging each and every one of you when we can about your ideas.

And on the subject of crunching numbers, we've done that to publicly a bit. Even as I speak comparing NamePros to DNF shows that NamePros has had way more Threads, Posts, Members, & maintains the same Active Member numbers. Checking alexa can also show that NamePros is on a slow but steady Growth rate while DnForums numbers are a little sporadic. Naturally I'm just using DNF as a quick example, I like DNF to just as much as the next person and think they have been doing a wonderful job. There's no animosity at all, it's just friendly number comparisons that assist in showing that namePros isn't falling into an abyss of no return like some may think.

@ DefaultUser
The video thread is for::: Humor, Entertainment, tutorials, Testimonials, and other NamePros related things that might stimulate laughter, curiosity, and viral controversy. Which so far seems to be slowly taking effect as more & more people mention it everywhere. Not everyone will agree with all the videos listed there, but you have to admit, some of them are quite funny. As for the bikini Fan, Godaddys done way more controversial videos than that one. Just keep in mind, she wasn't forced or exploited to make that video, she wanted to do it. :)

@ Everyone:
If you have suggestions, please feel free to use the info & suggestions forums. We are always open to new and innovative ideas. Not all ideas can be used, but we do try to test run a few when we can.

Eric Lyon

Yes, what I said is the way it is. You are not a mod. I don’t think you’ve ever been one here. That said, you don’t know ANYTHING that happens behind the curtain. You’d be best to not argue, as you’ll likely never see the “winning” the bad guys do.

Alexa doesn’t matter anyway. Sorry if you think it does.

Things are even worse, bad guys won etc.?

Couple things, minus the over dramatics. Today is a typical day on a forum. People buying domains. People selling domains. People talking about domains. Can somebody link to a thread where the bad guys have taken over? Also, this is the most active mainstream domain forum. That doesn't sound so horrible.

"Namepros.com is going soft & will more than likely become a haven for chaos here in the near future."

If that means lightening up, that's good. The activity hasn't slowed down. And "haven for chaos" that's the ole fear marketing nonsense. Like I said before, good forums tend to self moderate. There isn't any chaos anywhere. Like I said, back it up, link to this chaos.

It was an honor and privilege to serve you guys these years. ppl like you are the reason it was so enjoyable!

You said it Firefly.

I hate to see people who have made this forum like Randy and Wendy, Feel the need to drop out of the legacy that has been built, I could go on and on.

Thanks for everything you have done through the years Randy.
 
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"That said, you don’t know ANYTHING that happens behind the curtain. You’d be best to not argue, as you’ll likely never see the “winning” the bad guys do."

Like I said, I'm here to buy, sell, discuss domain names, don't care what happens behind the curtains. If you're going to keep posting about bad guys, well we're talking about a forum. Where is the link? I don't see it on the forum. You'd be best not to argue what you can't back up.
 
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That doesn't sound good, that was happening under previous owner/past mods. Now we've have some changes and the post count/participation hasn't fallen off.

I wouldn't say it's stabilised. There's a number of sections of this forum that are basically unused these days (beyond the odd spammy, low quality post/thread)

I know some past members might have thought/wanted that to happen but it's not reality.

I would imagine the vast majority of past members thought things would dramatically improve with some solid investment and strategic improvements.

Most people are hear to do exactly what the tagline says, buy, sell, discuss domain names. This other stuff most people don't care about, just a few vocal ones. Mods/members come and go, part of forum life. Normal stuff.

1) The better members seem to mostly be going.
2) Fair enough if that's all you view NamePros as - a vessel for domain sales - enjoy.
3) Agreed, the people that did care about the community have been slowly drifting away.
 
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Double A,

I love how backwards you got your comments..... lol :)
 
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I wouldn't say it's stabilised. There's a number of sections of this forum that are basically unused these days (beyond the odd spammy, low quality post/thread)



I would imagine the vast majority of past members thought things would dramatically improve with some solid investment and strategic improvements.



1) The better members seem to mostly be going.
2) Fair enough if that's all you view NamePros as - a vessel for domain sales - enjoy.
3) Agreed, the people that did care about the community have been slowly drifting away.

Again, members make the forum, provided there is an atmosphere to do so. So if you do care, and you're still here, then you can make this forum how you want. You don't think there is "quality" then click the New Thread button and provide it.
 
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Again, members make the forum, provided there is an atmosphere to do so.

There isn't.

So if you do care, and you're still here, then you can make this forum how you want.

No, the members make the forum, as you stated above. You can't do this individually.

You don't think there is "quality" then click the New Thread button and provide it.

I do, occasionally. They rarely get replies - and that suprises me because of how truly awesome the threads are. But seriously, discussion is basically dead outside of the DN Discussion and a couple of other sections nowadays.
 
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No, post count is post count, it's a real number. What's low quality and "excellent", now that is subjective.

The other stuff you're talking about is more suggestions, thread for that elsewhere.

What are post counts if you remove:

Four Letter Word

AND

the 11,000 posts that are people counting up and down in increments of ONE. Seriously. This is FAR and AWAY the most popular thread here.

P.S. stop signing your posts 'Eric Lyon' - it cries pretentious & impersonal. I understand we are on a 'business' forum but that's not what this forum was ever about. Just :imho:.. of course.

I agree.

Yours.

Default User.
 
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What are post counts if you remove:

Four Letter Word

AND

the 11,000 posts that are people counting up and down in increments of ONE. Seriously. This is FAR and AWAY the most popular thread here.



I agree.

Yours.

Default User.

Why are you still here then? Plus, those aren't exactly new threads.

I swear, I think people complain more than than they talk about domaining. Again, you can click the New Thread button as well, anybody can. And a vBulletin® license is out there for anybody.

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There isn't.



No, the members make the forum, as you stated above. You can't do this individually.



I do, occasionally. They rarely get replies - and that suprises me because of how truly awesome the threads are. But seriously, discussion is basically dead outside of the DN Discussion and a couple of other sections nowadays.

"No, the members make the forum, as you stated above. You can't do this individually."

That doesn't even make sense :) Individuals are members, that's what comprises a forum.
 
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the 11,000 posts that are people counting up and down in increments of ONE. Seriously. This is FAR and AWAY the most popular thread here.

11,001.

Oh, what? Not the right thread, you say? Oops!

Why are you still here then?

I swear, I think people complain more than than they talk about domaining. Again, you can click the New Thread button as well, anybody can. And a vBulletin® license is out there for anybody.

You're completely missing the point.

"No, the members make the forum, as you stated above. You can't do this individually."

That doesn't even make sense :) Individuals are members, that's what comprises a forum.

A member is only a member if they are part of a community or common cause. An individual can stand alone without being a member. As an individual you will struggle to achieve anything within a community, but with the support of other members, you have a much better chance of enforcing change.

This is a common online and offline theme - just read any literature on social bonding or networking. :)
 
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Why are you still here then?
Because:

Survivor Thread
Cleveland Thread
Ron Paul Thread
Pissed off Penguin

The occasional interesting thread.
The occasional genuine question.

To see what bullshit Fonzie comes up with next.

The random craziness that happens here that amuses me occasionally.

To see what cloud, wallet, space, solar names people are registering because I'm curious.

The hope that LiquidCherry has changed his avatar.

Because I like hanging out with Briguy, Johname, Wendy, and a few others. I have a forum crush on Kate (j/k). Because it's nice to know Equity, NLP, Keith, Namenut, Twomoon (and others) are still around.

I don't do business here generally, I don't do domain buying and selling here. That's why a forum owner has a challenge. The goals of members are not the same. I like the odd appraisal request when it isn't "IGotsAShitsNames.biz"


And...

to see if the members or mods are winning the counting thread! (not really)

Finally.

What does my questioning post count have to do with "Why I am still here"?

You seem to think everything is hunky dory. I see a lot of the people that I used look for no longer posting. So when looking at post count - let's look beyond the counting thread.

Anything else you want to know? :hearts:

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Plus, those aren't exactly new threads.
But most updated/active

I swear, I think people complain more than than they talk about domaining.
Said he who complained about Wendy and deleted posts and over modding than any single other member that I can think of :)

Done here anyway. This is the drama that unfolds with talk of leaving and why that was listed as something we shouldn't do (though I do it a lot, lol)

Congrats Randy - Best Wishes in Using Your Free Time more Effectively. Wendy recommends playing Bingo.
 
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To shut you up: I was wrong. You CAN see the bad guys winning. Proof: http://www.namepros.com/756009-somebody-offering-me-5000-need-help-3.html#post4317729

Hey, you wanted a link. You got a link.

"That said, you don’t know ANYTHING that happens behind the curtain. You’d be best to not argue, as you’ll likely never see the “winning” the bad guys do."

Like I said, I'm here to buy, sell, discuss domain names, don't care what happens behind the curtains. If you're going to keep posting about bad guys, well we're talking about a forum. Where is the link? I don't see it on the forum. You'd be best not to argue what you can't back up.
 
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"Things started falling apart here no long ago. All told, Ron sold NP, his baby, to someone who was going to make NP better. Yeah, traffic was decreasing a bit, among other things, and the most practical way to keep NP alive was to sell it to an entity that could stop the bleeding."

Wasn't working, you're just to emotionally attached to see it. Yes, I did complain about a mod, constantly breaking/not knowing the rules, who knows how many people they chased away. And do you really think they would remove a mod from 1 person complaining?

To shut you up: I was wrong. You CAN see the bad guys winning. Proof: http://www.namepros.com/756009-somebody-offering-me-5000-need-help-3.html#post4317729

Hey, you wanted a link. You got a link.

So 1 guy being rude in a thread is bad guys winning/chaos? Forget about all the other threads that exist. Like I said, overly dramatic. The way most forums handle that is give them a warning. If they do it again, temp ban, followed by a permanent one.

And after reading it, I notice - Last edited by Eric_Lyon; Yesterday at 02:04 PM. Reason: edited the name calling to be more polite

Also, posts from other members getting on him. Exactly what I talked about before, good forums have a tendency to self moderate.
 
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Nothing you are saying really means anything. You're just pissed because of being dealt with by a mod OVER A YEAR AGO. Come on, move on already.

And yes, the link I gave shows the bad guys winning: ppl breaking the rules and not getting even a hand-slap. Again, most things are behind the curtains. Ya don't care about what's behind the curtains? More power to you. But you being pissy over you being a bad member long ago is really getting old.

Think you can do better? Become a mod. Ya don't are about the behind-the-scenes stuff? Then stop bickering about these things. You don't care, right?

"Things started falling apart here no long ago. All told, Ron sold NP, his baby, to someone who was going to make NP better. Yeah, traffic was decreasing a bit, among other things, and the most practical way to keep NP alive was to sell it to an entity that could stop the bleeding."

Wasn't working, you're just to emotionally attached to see it. Yes, I did complain about a mod, constantly breaking/not knowing the rules, who knows how many people they chased away. And do you really think they would remove a mod from 1 person complaining?



So 1 guy being rude in a thread is bad guys winning/chaos? Forget about all the other threads that exist. Like I said, overly dramatic. The way most forums handle that is give them a warning. If they do it again, temp ban, followed by a permanent one.

And after reading it, I notice - Last edited by Eric_Lyon; Yesterday at 02:04 PM. Reason: edited the name calling to be more polite

Also, posts from other members, what I talked about, good forums have a tendency to self moderate.
 
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"You're just pissed because of being dealt with by a mod OVER A YEAR AGO. Come on, move on already."

No, I'm not mad about that, that's old news. You started this thread, not me. Seems like you and Wendy are the ones still not over it, that's why she's got you doing this. And the example you gave, just backs up the problem. I linked to a thread on Gizmodo talking about 3d in a thread about 3d domains and got flagged for spamming. And then you wonder why things were falling apart, traffic decreasing, bleeding.
 
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(Oh, the member wasn't even given a warning. The post was simply edited slightly by Eric. And yes, that's 1 thread/post. Want me to send you about 500 more? It could be done but eh, you want it. Look your own damn self lol I spoke of the blind. You're apparently one of them)

(Blind or stupid. Take a pick)
 
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