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NUMB3RS: What’s the deal with 4-Digit Domains (NNNN)?

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People often ask me for my opinion on numerical domains, and in particular 4-digit dot coms (1234.com) and 4-digit dot nets (1234.net). Since number domains do not trade as frequently as letter domains, there is often uncertainty about their market value. Western webmasters/domain resellers rarely encounter websites developed on numerical domains, and question how easy such domain names are to monetize. Do these names get traffic? Can they make you money in the short term or long term or both? Here is my story, and hopefully it will answer some questions on what is happening now and where this segment of the domain market might be headed.

I have become a collector/investor of numerical domains. It started over a year ago when I noticed that a handful of 4-digit dot com domains (a.k.a NNNN.com domains) were selling for high prices in auctions for expired names. It was puzzling why some of these NNNN.com domains were available to register for the basic reg fee while others were commanding prices over $100. I asked around, but most people did not have any answers. In fact, a large majority thought these types of domains had very little value - reg fee at best. That is when I began to do my research. I began to track what prices these names were selling for in the open market, who was doing the buying, and how many NNNN.com domains remained unregistered. Based on the upward trend of such names, I concluded that it was worthwhile to register as many of these as possible for $8 and lower. It wasn’t long before all 10,000 possible NNNN.com combinations were registered. My attention then shifted to the expired name marketplace. At first it was possible to catch these names as they dropped using inexpensive services like Enom’s Club Drop. As NNNN.com domains deleted, most of them could be secured for $10 (+ registration fee). This lasted for a few weeks before the competition picked up and the names began heading to auctions. It was at this time that prices rose into the $30-$60 range, with some of them selling for over $100. A few high profile public auctions took place last year with the names going for $300+ each.

At this point I began to dig deeper into these types of names. There were many questions and very few answers. Early research showed that number combinations beginning with the numeral 0 (e.g., 0136.com, 0591.com) were the least desired, followed by numbers that contained the numeral 4. Apparently, “4" has negative meanings in various non-Western cultures. For example, in Ancient Hebrew and Chaldean philosophies, the number 4 is associated with mortality and death. Also, the Chinese people try to avoid the number 4 because it sounds the same as death in Cantonese. The numbers most in demand by domain owners were those with repeating numbers, those representing special historical dates, and those with numbers 3, 6, and 8. Again, this preference for certain numbers over others seems to be rooted in ancient numerology - where cultures believe that the universe is based on mathematical principles. As a result, numbers have great significance in people’s daily lives. In China lucky phone numbers such as 133-3333-3333 or 8888-8888 were reported as sold for more than $200,000 each. There are many other possible meanings for numbers. They represent dates, product numbers, physical addresses, phone abbreviations (think SMS) and they even substitute for words in mobile business services (see http://worddial.com).

Today, demand for NNNN.com domains is still strong. Just this morning, 8582.com sold for $180 at Enom. But what is really making the story of number domains interesting is the recent surge in interest of 4 digit dot net domains (a.k.a NNNN.net domains). Just a month or two ago, you could find many of these available to register. The demand was low and so were the prices. That has changed in a hurry. Now all NNNN.net domains are registered. As they expire, they are being caught by dropcatchers and auctioned off to the highest bidder. More auction results from today:

4623.NET $60
1383.NET $60
9915.NET $60
7818.NET $55
4080.NET $100

Yesterday I ran a check to see how many 4 digit domains were available in the .INFO and .ORG extensions. Since I knew all .COM and .NET versions were taken, I thought it might be interesting to see how popular they were in other TLDs. Here is what I found:

Number of Domains available to Register (as of 7/3/05)
Code:
	      [b].COM	.NET	.INFO	.ORG[/b]
0000 - 0999	0	0	27	538
1000 - 1999	0	0	0	0
2000 - 2999	0	0	0	0
3000 - 3999	0	0	6	2
4000 - 4999	0	0	736	0
5000 - 5999	0	0	582	2
6000 - 6999	0	0	480	0
7000 - 7999	0	0	426	565
8000 - 8999	0	0	594	821
[u]9000 - 9999	0	0	448	861[/u]
TOTALS   	0	0	3299	2789


The results seem to indicate that someone is systematically acquiring these domains, one decile at a time. Some quick scans of the whois database revealed that this might indeed be happening. Does anyone remember Duke’s article entitled The Great Three-Letter .Info/.Biz Buyout: Elequa Alters the New Extension Landscape ? History might be repeating itself. Elequa publicly discussed numerical domains earlier this year in a February 23rd interview on DomainMasters radio. In the interview, Elequa talked about many topics, but in particular he gave some unique insight into why pure number domains have significance to the Arabic speaking world. If you would like to hear that interview, you can find it archived at Monikers website: Domain Masters: Online Radio Talk Show Archives.

So here we are today. We find that NNNN.nets are picking up steam in the marketplace. We know that NNNN.coms are still hot, and some of them are hitting new highs (last week 0753.com sold for $3,433 and 0572.com sold $2,450). We see that NNNN.infos and NNNN.orgs are being slowly absorbed into strong hands. To me, there is little to indicate that the value of these domains will go anywhere but up. They are scarce - only 10,000 four-digit combinations exist per each extension. They are often preferred by cultures who do not use the Western alphabet. As an owner of 4 digit domains, I notice that some names receive very high numbers of foreign type-in traffic. Experts predict millions and millions of new internet users will emerge from non-Western areas in the next several years. The long term potential for these names looks promising, from an investment point of view. But what about the short term? If domain owners want to hold on to their digit domains, can they make money from them?

When I first started to acquire these domains, I did not believe they would be easy to monetize. I tried parking them at various places like Sedo and DomainHop. Eventually, I moved them around to other PPC programs like DomainSponsor and Fabulous. It became clear that most of these programs were not well-suited for these domains. Most of them do not pay for Asian traffic. One program even contacted me directly to know that the type of traffic I was sending through my numerical domains was not the type they were looking to send their advertisers. They asked me to remove the domains. Next, I decided to give Google Adsense a try. I developed a few nice, simple pages and displayed some ads - and sure enough I got a few clicks. But total earnings were not much more than I got through parking with PPC companies. But since I now owned hundreds and hundreds of these domains, developing & hosting & tracking pages in this manner seemed not worth my time and effort. I was about to give up until I found GoldKey. Miraculously, GoldKey offers a solution for numerical domain owners. Some of my pure number domains that made nothing at other programs, were suddenly making several dollars per day (each). For those of you that own number domains that are not making you much money, consider giving these guys a try. Goldkey has an affiliate program, so if you are interested PM me. I can show you screenshots comparing the results for the same domains at various PPC programs as well as provide you my referral code. ;)

To be honest, not all of my digit domains receive traffic and generate click revenue. The majority of them are profitable, but some of them get no visitors at all. Rarely in the domain business is anything guaranteed - and making money off these domains is no different. To summarize: 4 digit domains are being accumulated in the major TLDs. All the .COM and .NET versions have been registered and as demand continues to be stronger than the supply, these names are consistently rising in price. You can make steady income parking these domains, as you wait for the next tidal wave of internet users to come online. As mobile and internet technology advances, who knows what new applications & systems will be developed that may increase the value of these domains. If you’re looking for an investment with a nice potential return - and limited downside, you could do worse than picking up some NNNN domains. As a reseller, you can decide to trade if these if you desire, but I doubt you will be able to flip these overnight for sizable profits. IMHO, the best course of action is to acquire them and be patient, picking up income along the way. You might be able to offset registration renewals with the parking revenue you earn.

Good luck.
 
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I bought my first NNNN :)

It's 8700.org

Thanks,
Pratik
 
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equity78 said:
Prosper with 8 88 888 88888... Chinese is probably one of the very few languages where several different words meaning different things can have identical pronunciation...

Feng Shui and Chinese Numerology... The Chinese have always had a deep interest in numerology. For them, numbers are not only for calculations, they have a magical quality of their own, in the sense that they can affect human life and destiny in some way. In Feng Shui, nature is also considered magical and since nature can be expressed through numbers, Feng Shui and numerology are closely related...
Thank you for sharing those two articles, equity78. Much to learn from both of them. :blink:

RADiSTAR said:
44,740 names in the last count.
Theo, I appreciate the new count. Keep us updated.

pratiknaik said:
I bought my first NNNN :) ...It's 8700.org...
Nice pickup.

:)
 
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I have a 4 letter .com but no numbers as yet :|
 
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Showing Fri 07/01/05 12:00:00 AM EDT to Fri 07/22/05 12:00:00 AM EDT
Visitors Clicks CTR EPC RPM Earnings

2005-07-10 Sun 15
2005-07-11 Mon 33
2005-07-12 Tue 44
2005-07-13 Wed 39
2005-07-14 Thu 72
2005-07-15 Fri 39
2005-07-16 Sat 57
2005-07-17 Sun 34
2005-07-18 Mon 80
2005-07-19 Tue 78
2005-07-20 Wed 83
2005-07-21 Thu 90
Total 664 2 0.3 0.02 0.07 0.05
Average 31.6 0.0 0.00


i wanted to share the states for the last 10 days on my nnnn.coms
i have 25 of them all pointing to dns of goldkey as you see every day the
page views are getting higher and higher......
i have made a whopping 5 cents but as the saying goes knowlegde is true wealth.

now my question is to paxton what optimization have you done through golkeys interface to your nnnn.com
to get a higher click through, now the ones i have were just ones that i hand regged about 16 months ago........so im interested in trying to get back at least the 5.99 that i paid for them as the accrue strength in the domain world

and my second question is ??/ does anyone have success in nnn.info and nnn.biz domains in the parking field i actually have quite a few for some projects but have it on hold due to time restaint so would like to try to park them in the mean time...???? please share your info if you have any on this subject
 
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harpo said:
...now my question is to paxton what optimization have you done through golkeys interface to your nnnn.com
to get a higher click through, now the ones i have were just ones that i hand regged about 16 months ago........so im interested in trying to get back at least the 5.99 that i paid for them as the accrue strength in the domain world...
Hi Harpo. I have done no manual optimization. One of the things I like about GK is the DomainMatch tool. This will pick the best keywords for your names. For NNNN's, it's difficult to pick keywords because most of the visitors are type-in surfers from non-Western countries. You can always manually examine the clicks for each domain and see exactly what ads your surfers are clicking on, and submit an optimization request based on these results.

Like I said previously, not all of my NNNN domains get traffic and/or clicks. And, unfortunately, Goldkey has experienced some growing pains this past week. Their system has been down off and on for the past few days, but the good news is they have corrected the problem and are compensating domain owners by paying an additional 15% revenue to all partners for the entire month of July. That is one of the best reimbursements I have ever seen from a publisher program.

:D
 
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Anyone notice the high number of 5 number dot com's dropping in the next few days?
 
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44,453 nnnnn.com available domains as of today.
 
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Seems people are talking about numbers a lot this is the best thread for the topic.
 
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Thanks for the great article!
 
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Some excellent information in this thread. Kudos to Pax and Equity in particular.

I have followed the likes of Worddial for several years. I saw the potential in their generic portals and hopped on the bandwagon and started registering domains that I thought would have future potential.

In earlier posts I outlined my thoughts in support of numeric domains as a viable alternative to accessing web sites on cellular phones and other WAP enabled devices. Some of the key reasons why a company might want to offer their customers and more importantly, their potential customers, the ability to access their web sites via the worlds “third screen” (TV being the first screen, the computer monitor being the second) are:

There are over 1.5 billion cell phones in use around the world, 330 million in China alone. When you look at some of the worldwide Internet user and population statistics identified earlier in this thread, and the number of cell phones in use, it provides a pretty robust outlook for Internet access via cell phone.

Sales of new cell phones are expected to reach 1 billion units ANNUALLY by 2010 (That is only 5 short years away)

Many people, especially in developing countries, will only ever access the Internet by using their cell phones.

Numeric domains are wireless carrier agnostic. That means that you don’t necessarily have be a Vodafone customer or a Sprint/Nextel customer or a Verizon customer to access the content of your mobile web site.

Numeric domains are browser agnostic so it doesn’t matter what browser is pre-installed on your cell phone, you can access the mobile web sites.

Numeric domains are language agnostic. The numbers and the corresponding letters of the alphabet on a cell phone are the same on a Motorola phone in the USA, a Nokia phone in Sweden, A Samsung phone in Korea etc.

Using numeric domains allows you to reduce the number of keystrokes required to access a mobile web site, thereby reducing the potential for input error, which often leads to user frustration.

When accessing mobile web sites, what do you find easier? Typing www DOT mobile DOT mysite DOT com or 697483. com? (mysite numerically). Most cell phone browsers pre-populate the http:// or the www portion of the URL.

Numeric domains are also device agnostic so it doesn’t matter if you are accessing the mobile web site with a cell phone, a Smart phone or a PDA in all of their various models.

And finally, numeric domains are extremely versatile. There are finite numbers of numeric domains available. Their versatility lies in the fact that you can assign any possible alphabetical equivalent using the combination of letters associated with the number on the cell phone dial pad.

Take 739.com for example. The number 7 on your dial pad could represent any one of the 4 letters P, Q, R or S. The number 3 could represent any one of the 3 letters D, E or F. The same goes for the number 9 which could represent a W, X, Y or Z … your choice.

So in this example 739.com could, among several other choices, represent the word PEW, or it could equally represent the word SEX. And being the crack Domainers that you are, you’d obviously go with ….

The technology that makes this happen is improving daily but don't be alarmed if you run into a few glitches.

Again, most cell phone browsers pre-populate some of the URL, but this is what you should be typing in before pressing “go to”, “send” or “get link”.

Here are a few examples to test out on your cell phone or PDA to see how it works.

REPEAT: ON your cell phone. Give them a try.

http://3776.com

http://62824.com

http://94554455.com

Cheers :talk:
 
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onspec,

Excellent information. Thank you for sharing.

:great:
 
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paxton said:
onspec,

Excellent information. Thank you for sharing.

:great:

Thanks Pax. This area is getting strong attention from the gamers as they look to put action games and puzzles on cell.

Any other reported sales of numeric domains?
 
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Just to let the public know. No more NN000.com or NN0000.com in the wild. This will drive up the price IMO (greatly).
 
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I keep foillowing and hoping... I did reg 6 number domains based on the word dial format including 8253688 (TAKEOUT) even though it's a bit longer than I wanted, I think the potential could be great.
 
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westblock said:
I keep foillowing and hoping... I did reg 6 number domains based on the word dial format including 8253688 (TAKEOUT) even though it's a bit longer than I wanted, I think the potential could be great.

The length is not bad at all. Remember, we are all familiar with inputting 1-800-xxx-yyyy numbers into our phones. The problem will be finding the right application. Most "takeout" is associated with food. However there are thousands of fast food restos all around the world.

You'll find that a huge number of 5 digit numeric domains are owned by ULTSearch (Marchex).

Mobile TV seems to be coming on strong, especially with porn. It's inevitable.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/17/technology/17porn.html

http://www.moconews.net/?p=3540

On your cell enter 53662.com for an example.

I recently regged 25477.com (clips) and 746787.com (shorts). We'll see.
 
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onspec said:
Most "takeout" is associated with food. However there are thousands of fast food restos all around the world.
Exactly - Thought being a type of portal or directory for takeout food & resturants. Seems like a pretty good fit, but we'll see...
 
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I think this is a great thread, learned a few new things myself. It covered everything pretty well, I don't think I can add much more solid theories. But I still would like to add or to speculate the following (I am only half joking, but I could be right):

1. human prefers concise expression. The chinese does not have any finite character-based system such as the English 26-base character set, thus the decimal base-10 number system would be a good one to play with.

2. The smallerest (thus rare) complete set of number is the binary number. I bet the binary numbers (the base-2 numbers, total of 16 of them in nnnn.com) can demands a good money. Another often used number in engineering is hex number (based-16 numbers), these are numbers represented by 0-9 and A-F. I bet on average, the letter-number mixed domain name which is a hex number sells more than a non-hex numbers (non-hex numbers include letter G-Z).

3. the americans want to be lawyers rather than engineers, thus they prefer letter-domain rather than number-domains :hehe:
 
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I dont thinik that 4 digit domains are worth much because there is so many possible combinations,
 
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Steven12 said:
I dont thinik that 4 digit domains are worth much because there is so many possible combinations,

Funny how all the .com and .net NNNN's are registered. There are only 10,000 combinations per TLD. (0000-9999).
 
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thanks for the list ill also look in to that and paste what i find
 
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Great post!!

I guess the 3971.net I just bought for $13 was a deal...
I like the number domains... I'll have to do some more checking on the .org's.

Thanks for the info!
 
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Forget about the .ORGs - there is no way to check them in a brute-force manner. PIR only allows 4 checks per minute. That's 41 hours to check all 10000 combinations.
 
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