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NUMB3RS: What’s the deal with 4-Digit Domains (NNNN)?

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People often ask me for my opinion on numerical domains, and in particular 4-digit dot coms (1234.com) and 4-digit dot nets (1234.net). Since number domains do not trade as frequently as letter domains, there is often uncertainty about their market value. Western webmasters/domain resellers rarely encounter websites developed on numerical domains, and question how easy such domain names are to monetize. Do these names get traffic? Can they make you money in the short term or long term or both? Here is my story, and hopefully it will answer some questions on what is happening now and where this segment of the domain market might be headed.

I have become a collector/investor of numerical domains. It started over a year ago when I noticed that a handful of 4-digit dot com domains (a.k.a NNNN.com domains) were selling for high prices in auctions for expired names. It was puzzling why some of these NNNN.com domains were available to register for the basic reg fee while others were commanding prices over $100. I asked around, but most people did not have any answers. In fact, a large majority thought these types of domains had very little value - reg fee at best. That is when I began to do my research. I began to track what prices these names were selling for in the open market, who was doing the buying, and how many NNNN.com domains remained unregistered. Based on the upward trend of such names, I concluded that it was worthwhile to register as many of these as possible for $8 and lower. It wasn’t long before all 10,000 possible NNNN.com combinations were registered. My attention then shifted to the expired name marketplace. At first it was possible to catch these names as they dropped using inexpensive services like Enom’s Club Drop. As NNNN.com domains deleted, most of them could be secured for $10 (+ registration fee). This lasted for a few weeks before the competition picked up and the names began heading to auctions. It was at this time that prices rose into the $30-$60 range, with some of them selling for over $100. A few high profile public auctions took place last year with the names going for $300+ each.

At this point I began to dig deeper into these types of names. There were many questions and very few answers. Early research showed that number combinations beginning with the numeral 0 (e.g., 0136.com, 0591.com) were the least desired, followed by numbers that contained the numeral 4. Apparently, “4" has negative meanings in various non-Western cultures. For example, in Ancient Hebrew and Chaldean philosophies, the number 4 is associated with mortality and death. Also, the Chinese people try to avoid the number 4 because it sounds the same as death in Cantonese. The numbers most in demand by domain owners were those with repeating numbers, those representing special historical dates, and those with numbers 3, 6, and 8. Again, this preference for certain numbers over others seems to be rooted in ancient numerology - where cultures believe that the universe is based on mathematical principles. As a result, numbers have great significance in people’s daily lives. In China lucky phone numbers such as 133-3333-3333 or 8888-8888 were reported as sold for more than $200,000 each. There are many other possible meanings for numbers. They represent dates, product numbers, physical addresses, phone abbreviations (think SMS) and they even substitute for words in mobile business services (see http://worddial.com).

Today, demand for NNNN.com domains is still strong. Just this morning, 8582.com sold for $180 at Enom. But what is really making the story of number domains interesting is the recent surge in interest of 4 digit dot net domains (a.k.a NNNN.net domains). Just a month or two ago, you could find many of these available to register. The demand was low and so were the prices. That has changed in a hurry. Now all NNNN.net domains are registered. As they expire, they are being caught by dropcatchers and auctioned off to the highest bidder. More auction results from today:

4623.NET $60
1383.NET $60
9915.NET $60
7818.NET $55
4080.NET $100

Yesterday I ran a check to see how many 4 digit domains were available in the .INFO and .ORG extensions. Since I knew all .COM and .NET versions were taken, I thought it might be interesting to see how popular they were in other TLDs. Here is what I found:

Number of Domains available to Register (as of 7/3/05)
Code:
	      [b].COM	.NET	.INFO	.ORG[/b]
0000 - 0999	0	0	27	538
1000 - 1999	0	0	0	0
2000 - 2999	0	0	0	0
3000 - 3999	0	0	6	2
4000 - 4999	0	0	736	0
5000 - 5999	0	0	582	2
6000 - 6999	0	0	480	0
7000 - 7999	0	0	426	565
8000 - 8999	0	0	594	821
[u]9000 - 9999	0	0	448	861[/u]
TOTALS   	0	0	3299	2789


The results seem to indicate that someone is systematically acquiring these domains, one decile at a time. Some quick scans of the whois database revealed that this might indeed be happening. Does anyone remember Duke’s article entitled The Great Three-Letter .Info/.Biz Buyout: Elequa Alters the New Extension Landscape ? History might be repeating itself. Elequa publicly discussed numerical domains earlier this year in a February 23rd interview on DomainMasters radio. In the interview, Elequa talked about many topics, but in particular he gave some unique insight into why pure number domains have significance to the Arabic speaking world. If you would like to hear that interview, you can find it archived at Monikers website: Domain Masters: Online Radio Talk Show Archives.

So here we are today. We find that NNNN.nets are picking up steam in the marketplace. We know that NNNN.coms are still hot, and some of them are hitting new highs (last week 0753.com sold for $3,433 and 0572.com sold $2,450). We see that NNNN.infos and NNNN.orgs are being slowly absorbed into strong hands. To me, there is little to indicate that the value of these domains will go anywhere but up. They are scarce - only 10,000 four-digit combinations exist per each extension. They are often preferred by cultures who do not use the Western alphabet. As an owner of 4 digit domains, I notice that some names receive very high numbers of foreign type-in traffic. Experts predict millions and millions of new internet users will emerge from non-Western areas in the next several years. The long term potential for these names looks promising, from an investment point of view. But what about the short term? If domain owners want to hold on to their digit domains, can they make money from them?

When I first started to acquire these domains, I did not believe they would be easy to monetize. I tried parking them at various places like Sedo and DomainHop. Eventually, I moved them around to other PPC programs like DomainSponsor and Fabulous. It became clear that most of these programs were not well-suited for these domains. Most of them do not pay for Asian traffic. One program even contacted me directly to know that the type of traffic I was sending through my numerical domains was not the type they were looking to send their advertisers. They asked me to remove the domains. Next, I decided to give Google Adsense a try. I developed a few nice, simple pages and displayed some ads - and sure enough I got a few clicks. But total earnings were not much more than I got through parking with PPC companies. But since I now owned hundreds and hundreds of these domains, developing & hosting & tracking pages in this manner seemed not worth my time and effort. I was about to give up until I found GoldKey. Miraculously, GoldKey offers a solution for numerical domain owners. Some of my pure number domains that made nothing at other programs, were suddenly making several dollars per day (each). For those of you that own number domains that are not making you much money, consider giving these guys a try. Goldkey has an affiliate program, so if you are interested PM me. I can show you screenshots comparing the results for the same domains at various PPC programs as well as provide you my referral code. ;)

To be honest, not all of my digit domains receive traffic and generate click revenue. The majority of them are profitable, but some of them get no visitors at all. Rarely in the domain business is anything guaranteed - and making money off these domains is no different. To summarize: 4 digit domains are being accumulated in the major TLDs. All the .COM and .NET versions have been registered and as demand continues to be stronger than the supply, these names are consistently rising in price. You can make steady income parking these domains, as you wait for the next tidal wave of internet users to come online. As mobile and internet technology advances, who knows what new applications & systems will be developed that may increase the value of these domains. If you’re looking for an investment with a nice potential return - and limited downside, you could do worse than picking up some NNNN domains. As a reseller, you can decide to trade if these if you desire, but I doubt you will be able to flip these overnight for sizable profits. IMHO, the best course of action is to acquire them and be patient, picking up income along the way. You might be able to offset registration renewals with the parking revenue you earn.

Good luck.
 
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onspec said:
...Any other reported sales of numeric domains?
Here is the recent data I have for NNNN domains at dropcatchers:

Code:
[b][u]Domain	        Auction Close	Dropcatcher	Closing Price[/b][/u]
5637.com	09/24/05	Club Drop	$80
3023.com	09/20/05	Club Drop	$160
5475.com	09/15/05	SnapNames	$160
5694.com	09/12/05	SnapNames	$104
6569.com	09/10/05	SnapNames	$122
6055.com	09/03/05	Pool	        $100
8780.com	09/02/05	SnapNames	$172
2281.com	09/01/05	Pool	        $70
3336.net	08/28/05	SnapNames	$60
3537.com	08/28/05	SnapNames	$96
9907.com	08/28/05	SnapNames	$67
2509.com	08/24/05	SnapNames	$61
9507.com	08/17/05	SnapNames	$88
6100.net	08/15/05	SnapNames	$61
5682.com	08/14/05	SnapNames	$61
7257.com	08/14/05	SnapNames	$101
4512.com	08/04/05	SnapNames	$60
0189.com	08/03/05	SnapNames	$99
5454.com	08/03/05	SnapNames	$535
0247.com	08/03/05	SnapNames	$100
3433.net	07/28/05	SnapNames	$60
9548.com	07/27/05	SnapNames	$95
1042.net	07/26/05	SnapNames	$60
5565.net	07/25/05	SnapNames	$60
9659.com	07/24/05	SnapNames	$127
6805.com	07/23/05	SnapNames	$107
0670.com	07/22/05	SnapNames	$105
7886.com	07/20/05	SnapNames	$131
2880.com	07/18/05	SnapNames	$182
9259.com	07/16/05	SnapNames	$90
1640.net	07/11/05	Pool	        $109
2737.com	07/11/05	SnapNames	$116
9223.com	07/10/05	SnapNames	$104
2474.com	07/07/05	SnapNames	$190
0169.com	07/05/05	SnapNames	$90
1391.com	07/05/05	SnapNames	$160
Unfortunately, I am unable to retrieve most of the past sales at Pool and Club Drop due to limitations in their historical search functions. I can tell you that NNNN.coms continue to be hot and NNNN.nets have seen a drop off in interest. On some days the nets can be caught for $15 at Enom (+ reg fee) without going to reverse auction.

Also on the radar: NNNNN.coms. These 5-digit domains are receiving huge interest as they drop, routinely going for mid to high $XXX. But that's for another thread. :]
 
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I've seen a slight increase of 4 # .net's, although still no sales (As I am holding out, not looking for a quick return).
Unique visits to 4 # .net's are also up.
-Allan
 
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IAmAllanShore said:
Unique visits to 4 # .net's are also up.
-Allan

I agree -- I'm already at $10 plus for September on a few of mine.
 
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Any idea how many NNNN .org are left out there? Any thoughts as to when they might all be consumed? Thanks.
 
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Any idea how many NNNN .org are left out there? Any thoughts as to when they might all be consumed? Thanks.
i just bought:

8884.org
7776.org
7774.org
9444.org
8444.org
7444.org
 
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nnnn+

Any recent sales info on 4, 5 or 6 n sales? Please post. Thanks.
 
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It doesn't give a specific amount, but according to enom's drop service the three below closed anywhere from $670 to $13,900. If anyone else has some recent data, I'd be interested in it also. Thx in advance

Bids range from 670 pts. to 13900 pts.

10308.COM
10313.COM
9936.COM
 
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Marchex owns something like 77,0000 NNNNN .coms and .nets - they are going after all populated zip codes. I think they have about 44,000 .coms and the rest .nets. So I would keep that in mind when judging the demand for NNNNN names ... it's not like tons of people are investing in them, it's just Marchex buying them up. The only reason other people are regging them is in hopes of getting a later offer from Marchex LOL.
 
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If the final bids for the 10308 and 10313 were north of 10k, it could be because those are very useful zip codes that may have ended up in Marchex' stable.
 
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onspec said:
Any recent sales info on 4, 5 or 6 n sales? Please post. Thanks.
I've been a bit lazy in tracking sales, so I missed a few NNNN results. But here is some recent data I have for NNNN domains at dropcatchers:

Code:
[b][u]Domain	        Auction Close	Dropcatcher	Closing Price[/b][/u]
6759.com	12/12/05	Club Drop	$110
9936.com	12/12/05	Club Drop	$1,530
4816.com	12/12/05	Club Drop	$140
7182.com	12/04/05	SnapNames	$210
4203.com	12/03/05	SnapNames	$145
6579.com	12/03/05	SnapNames	$210
6132.com	12/02/05	SnapNames	$138
7314.com	12/01/05	SnapNames	$138
7726.com	11/25/05	SnapNames	$166
0521.com	11/23/05	SnapNames	$190
3826.com	11/23/05	SnapNames	$154
6154.com	11/22/05	SnapNames	$173
3346.com	11/20/05	SnapNames	$106
9658.com	11/20/05	SnapNames	$101
0508.com	11/17/05	SnapNames	$111
3404.com	11/17/05	SnapNames	$85
6442.com	11/17/05	SnapNames	$85
8495.com	11/17/05	SnapNames	$111
9854.com	11/17/05	SnapNames	$85
4021.com	11/16/05	SnapNames	$105
3305.com	11/15/05	SnapNames	$167
0286.com	11/13/05	SnapNames	$101
5197.com	11/13/05	SnapNames	$101
9396.com	11/11/05	SnapNames	$195
0160.com	11/11/05	SnapNames	$101
8926.com	11/09/05	SnapNames	$145
0821.com	11/08/05	SnapNames	$101
3982.com	11/07/05	SnapNames	$101
The notable sale is 9936.com going for $1,530 at Enom's Club Drop. I'm not exactly sure why this domain went for so high, but I have a hunch the winner could have gotten it for a lot less. I remember seeing the domain pre-bid for this amount at Enom, instead of the standard $30 to $60 that most people enter. :|

Even though this is the four digit number thread, I did mention NNNNN.coms previously. Here's some recent sales data that I have collected for these, all at SnapNames:

Code:
[b][u]Domain	        Auction Close	Dropcatcher	Closing Price[/b][/u]
83858.com	11/28/05	SnapNames	$100
14624.com	11/25/05	SnapNames	$365
43701.com	11/25/05	SnapNames	$85
67333.com	11/25/05	SnapNames	$100
95955.com	11/25/05	SnapNames	$160
66538.com	11/24/05	SnapNames	$310
91618.com	11/24/05	SnapNames	$310
08873.com	11/23/05	SnapNames	$310
52066.com	11/23/05	SnapNames	$90
53508.com	11/23/05	SnapNames	$100
95018.com	11/23/05	SnapNames	$160
98288.com	11/23/05	SnapNames	$100
99116.com	11/23/05	SnapNames	$100
67401.com	11/22/05	SnapNames	$525
95126.com	11/21/05	SnapNames	$825
19066.com	11/21/05	SnapNames	$100
95139.com	11/21/05	SnapNames	$160
22932.com	11/20/05	SnapNames	$72
94110.com	11/20/05	SnapNames	$160
66119.com	11/19/05	SnapNames	$270
10156.com	11/19/05	SnapNames	$343
11369.com	11/19/05	SnapNames	$254
38328.com	11/19/05	SnapNames	$80
94170.com	11/19/05	SnapNames	$343
16828.com	11/15/05	SnapNames	$105
32568.com	11/15/05	SnapNames	$105
78721.com	11/15/05	SnapNames	$160
13078.com	11/14/05	SnapNames	$170
92123.com	11/14/05	SnapNames	$260
12777.com	11/14/05	SnapNames	$85
35653.com	11/14/05	SnapNames	$95
60504.com	11/13/05	SnapNames	$360
73111.com	11/13/05	SnapNames	$360
91770.com	11/13/05	SnapNames	$360

:)
 
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Thanks Pax. Would still like to know what the 10308 and 10313 went for.
 
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Thank you paxton for the update.
 
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IAmAllanShore said:
...Thread bookmarked so I can come back in 6 months and see what happened B-) ...
Well it's been six months since the original post and the roller coaster ride for NNNNs has taken us to 2006. First things first, let's discuss GoldKey. For awhile last summer, they were amazing for domain owners, and in particular numerical domain owners. But the success was fleeting. To summarize what happened, I'll quote from DNjournal.com's recent State of the Industry article:

"Another interesting development was the rise and fall of GoldKey.com, a parking service that attempted Search Engine Optimization (SEO) on a massive scale. While it worked for a couple of months, the two major search engines changed their listing algorithms and sent the millions of automatically generated extra pages packing. GoldKey continues as a significant parking service, but the amount of traffic that they monetize and revenue generated is down sharply from their peak in the early summer. If nothing else, GoldKey showed many domainers the value of Search Engine Optimization when it comes time to develop domains...
For me it's back to basics for parking my numerical domains. I'm having some success with some of them at Trafficz (I just recently started testing them there so my data is limited), but the majority of them are now back with Sedo. Using the advice of fellow NPer rocketfly, I first attempt to set my keywords to "gamble." For some of them, Sedo obliges and the CPC is nice. For the rest, I enter "win" as the keyword - which pays less, but seems to do alright as an alternative. I'll keep moving my digit domains around and if I find a better solution I will share the results.

NNNN.com domains are still going strong in expired name auctions. All of them that delete are still regularly caught at Pool.com, Snapnames.com and Enom.com's Club Drop and enter private auctions. Closing prices remain in the high $XX to low $XXX range, where they have been since last summer.

The NNNN.net domains have seen their popularity spike and has now come back down. Although all possible 10,000 combinations for 4-digit dot net domains are still taken, interest for these names that expire is not as strong as it was in the summer of 2005. A few of them are backordered at Snap and Pool, but most are taken at Club Drop for the minimum $15 bid or hand registered after the drop.

The story with NNNN.info domains is interesting. Due to the large Afilias promotion for free .Info domains and the subsequent registration of around a million domains by Enom (Sipence), everyone expected a large number of .infos to expire without renewal last year. Back on July 7th, there were 3,327 NNNN.info domains available to register. Today, that number has jumped to 5,162. All things considered, this niche has held up well. If other registrars (like Directi, RegisterFly, and DomainState) continue to have low priced new .info registration specials, we may see some more of these being grabbed.

I haven't really followed NNNN.org domains at all. I do know that there are less of these available today to register than there were last summer. Here's a chart with updated figures:

Number of Domains available to Register (as of pre-drop on 1/8/06)
Code:
	               [b]               .COM	.NET	.INFO	.ORG[/b]
0000 - 0999	0	0	642	495
1000 - 1999	0	0	217	0
2000 - 2999	0	0	147	3
3000 - 3999	0	0	136	1
4000 - 4999	0	0	769	5
5000 - 5999	0	0	827	6
6000 - 6999	0	0	583	6
7000 - 7999	0	0	390	537
8000 - 8999	0	0	791	749
[u]9000 - 9999	0	0	660	805[/u]
TOTALS   	0	0	5162	2607
I'll pass along anything new that I find out - when I find it out.

Cheers,

Paxton
 
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Great update with statistics. You remind me of the rush for 3-char .com domains :D
 
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Acroplex said:
Great update with statistics. You remind me of the rush for 3-char .com domains :D
:hehe:

Any update on the number of available 5-digit dot coms (NNNNN.com's) ?
 
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Let me run the script and I will get back to you.
 
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Acroplex. You should note that there are no more NN00 .orgs .nets .infos .coms... :)
 
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Happy New Year Sam. I hope we're still friends :)

On the subject of numbers...what can I say. I don't follow all the permutations any more.

paxton said:
:hehe:

Any update on the number of available 5-digit dot coms (NNNNN.com's) ?

40857 are available.
 
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Acroplex said:
40857 are available.
Thanks for the update on the number of available NNNNN.com domains, Theo.

Also, timmaay has made lists for everyone of available NNNN.org and NNNN.info domains:

available NNNN.org
available NNNN.info

Thanks, timmaay!
 
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A couple of people have asked me recently to update NNNN.com sales. Here is the recent data I have for 4-digit dot com (NNNN.com) domains at dropcatchers, since the last update in December:

Code:
[b][u]Domain	        Auction Close	Dropcatcher	Closing Price[/b][/u]
7595.com	12/13/05	Club Drop	$110
4522.com	12/16/05	Club Drop	$120
5593.com	12/16/05	SnapNames	$117
3582.com	12/17/05	Club Drop	$120
3372.com	12/22/05	Club Drop	$120
5459.com	12/23/05	Club Drop	$80
6107.com	12/23/05	Club Drop	$100
4255.com	12/23/05	SnapNames	$104
8976.com	12/23/05	Club Drop	$100
6045.com	01/02/06	SnapNames	$60
4907.com	01/03/06	SnapNames	$60
6874.com	01/05/06	SnapNames	$80
0185.com	01/07/06	SnapNames	$185
6191.com	01/08/06	SnapNames	$128
9469.com	01/10/06	Club Drop	$120
2907.com	01/10/06	SnapNames	$154
1386.com	01/11/06	SnapNames	$241
7552.com	01/11/06	SnapNames	$154
5461.com	01/14/06	Club Drop	$150
4013.com	01/14/06	Club Drop	$140
5542.com	01/18/06	SnapNames	$61
6715.com	01/20/06	Club Drop	$110
5805.com	01/22/06	Club Drop	$110
4132.com	01/27/06	SnapNames	$298
4839.com	01/28/06	Club Drop	$100
3769.com	01/31/06	Club Drop	$120+ (ends in 4 hrs.)
It is nice that Enom finally expanded their Auction History reporting. Now I can go back and see all the Club Drop closing prices and not be limited to a finite number of recent auctions.

:)
 
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5542.com $61

BARGAIN deal. wow.
 
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I continue to get requests for recent sales data, so I will try to update this thread once a month with reported sales. Here are the sales I was able track in February 2006 for 4-digit dot com (NNNN.com) domains at dropcatchers:

Code:
[b][u]Domain	        Auction Close	Dropcatcher	Closing Price[/b][/u]
4991.com	02/01/06	Club Drop	$60
0548.com	02/04/06	SnapNames	$313
5968.com	02/04/06	SnapNames	$105
2784.com	02/05/06	Pool	        $80
0050.com	02/06/06	Club Drop	$180
0080.com	02/06/06	Pool	        $420
0040.com	02/06/06	Club Drop	$160
0030.com	02/06/06	SnapNames	$370
6576.com	02/07/06	SnapNames	$115
3895.com	02/07/06	SnapNames	$105
3947.com	02/07/06	SnapNames	$100
5789.com	02/10/06	Club Drop	$120
6783.com	02/12/06	Club Drop	$140
6692.com	02/15/06	SnapNames	$130
9601.com	02/17/06	SnapNames	$61
5570.com	02/19/06	SnapNames	$160
9106.com	02/20/06	Club Drop	$90
7936.com	02/20/06	Club Drop	$120
7706.com	02/20/06	Club Drop	$120
6731.com	02/20/06	SnapNames	$132
9544.com	02/22/06	Pool	        $80
7619.com	02/22/06	Pool	        $80
2778.com	02/23/06	Club Drop	$170
7026.com	02/24/06	SnapNames	$142
9756.com	02/25/06	SnapNames	$175
7736.com	02/27/06	SnapNames	$210
4469.com	02/27/06	SnapNames	$208
6467.com	02/28/06	Club Drop	$140
7397.com	02/28/06	Pool	        $70
Over the last year or two, these domains have been shifting into stronger hands. As a result we are seeing less and less expire, and it is getting easier to track the decreasing number of auction results. I expect the supply will continue to get tighter and tighter going forward.

Notable this past week were a trio of big numerical domain sales. As listed in this week's DNjournal.com sales report 62.com sold for $30,000, 512.com sold for $15,000 and 267.com sold for $14,500.

:)
 
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Paxton Thanks for the update. NNNN prices are definetly going up
 
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Any information on .net? Keep up the great updates!
 
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