Dynadot

NUMB3RS: What’s the deal with 4-Digit Domains (NNNN)?

Spaceship Spaceship
Watch
People often ask me for my opinion on numerical domains, and in particular 4-digit dot coms (1234.com) and 4-digit dot nets (1234.net). Since number domains do not trade as frequently as letter domains, there is often uncertainty about their market value. Western webmasters/domain resellers rarely encounter websites developed on numerical domains, and question how easy such domain names are to monetize. Do these names get traffic? Can they make you money in the short term or long term or both? Here is my story, and hopefully it will answer some questions on what is happening now and where this segment of the domain market might be headed.

I have become a collector/investor of numerical domains. It started over a year ago when I noticed that a handful of 4-digit dot com domains (a.k.a NNNN.com domains) were selling for high prices in auctions for expired names. It was puzzling why some of these NNNN.com domains were available to register for the basic reg fee while others were commanding prices over $100. I asked around, but most people did not have any answers. In fact, a large majority thought these types of domains had very little value - reg fee at best. That is when I began to do my research. I began to track what prices these names were selling for in the open market, who was doing the buying, and how many NNNN.com domains remained unregistered. Based on the upward trend of such names, I concluded that it was worthwhile to register as many of these as possible for $8 and lower. It wasn’t long before all 10,000 possible NNNN.com combinations were registered. My attention then shifted to the expired name marketplace. At first it was possible to catch these names as they dropped using inexpensive services like Enom’s Club Drop. As NNNN.com domains deleted, most of them could be secured for $10 (+ registration fee). This lasted for a few weeks before the competition picked up and the names began heading to auctions. It was at this time that prices rose into the $30-$60 range, with some of them selling for over $100. A few high profile public auctions took place last year with the names going for $300+ each.

At this point I began to dig deeper into these types of names. There were many questions and very few answers. Early research showed that number combinations beginning with the numeral 0 (e.g., 0136.com, 0591.com) were the least desired, followed by numbers that contained the numeral 4. Apparently, “4" has negative meanings in various non-Western cultures. For example, in Ancient Hebrew and Chaldean philosophies, the number 4 is associated with mortality and death. Also, the Chinese people try to avoid the number 4 because it sounds the same as death in Cantonese. The numbers most in demand by domain owners were those with repeating numbers, those representing special historical dates, and those with numbers 3, 6, and 8. Again, this preference for certain numbers over others seems to be rooted in ancient numerology - where cultures believe that the universe is based on mathematical principles. As a result, numbers have great significance in people’s daily lives. In China lucky phone numbers such as 133-3333-3333 or 8888-8888 were reported as sold for more than $200,000 each. There are many other possible meanings for numbers. They represent dates, product numbers, physical addresses, phone abbreviations (think SMS) and they even substitute for words in mobile business services (see http://worddial.com).

Today, demand for NNNN.com domains is still strong. Just this morning, 8582.com sold for $180 at Enom. But what is really making the story of number domains interesting is the recent surge in interest of 4 digit dot net domains (a.k.a NNNN.net domains). Just a month or two ago, you could find many of these available to register. The demand was low and so were the prices. That has changed in a hurry. Now all NNNN.net domains are registered. As they expire, they are being caught by dropcatchers and auctioned off to the highest bidder. More auction results from today:

4623.NET $60
1383.NET $60
9915.NET $60
7818.NET $55
4080.NET $100

Yesterday I ran a check to see how many 4 digit domains were available in the .INFO and .ORG extensions. Since I knew all .COM and .NET versions were taken, I thought it might be interesting to see how popular they were in other TLDs. Here is what I found:

Number of Domains available to Register (as of 7/3/05)
Code:
	      [b].COM	.NET	.INFO	.ORG[/b]
0000 - 0999	0	0	27	538
1000 - 1999	0	0	0	0
2000 - 2999	0	0	0	0
3000 - 3999	0	0	6	2
4000 - 4999	0	0	736	0
5000 - 5999	0	0	582	2
6000 - 6999	0	0	480	0
7000 - 7999	0	0	426	565
8000 - 8999	0	0	594	821
[u]9000 - 9999	0	0	448	861[/u]
TOTALS   	0	0	3299	2789


The results seem to indicate that someone is systematically acquiring these domains, one decile at a time. Some quick scans of the whois database revealed that this might indeed be happening. Does anyone remember Duke’s article entitled The Great Three-Letter .Info/.Biz Buyout: Elequa Alters the New Extension Landscape ? History might be repeating itself. Elequa publicly discussed numerical domains earlier this year in a February 23rd interview on DomainMasters radio. In the interview, Elequa talked about many topics, but in particular he gave some unique insight into why pure number domains have significance to the Arabic speaking world. If you would like to hear that interview, you can find it archived at Monikers website: Domain Masters: Online Radio Talk Show Archives.

So here we are today. We find that NNNN.nets are picking up steam in the marketplace. We know that NNNN.coms are still hot, and some of them are hitting new highs (last week 0753.com sold for $3,433 and 0572.com sold $2,450). We see that NNNN.infos and NNNN.orgs are being slowly absorbed into strong hands. To me, there is little to indicate that the value of these domains will go anywhere but up. They are scarce - only 10,000 four-digit combinations exist per each extension. They are often preferred by cultures who do not use the Western alphabet. As an owner of 4 digit domains, I notice that some names receive very high numbers of foreign type-in traffic. Experts predict millions and millions of new internet users will emerge from non-Western areas in the next several years. The long term potential for these names looks promising, from an investment point of view. But what about the short term? If domain owners want to hold on to their digit domains, can they make money from them?

When I first started to acquire these domains, I did not believe they would be easy to monetize. I tried parking them at various places like Sedo and DomainHop. Eventually, I moved them around to other PPC programs like DomainSponsor and Fabulous. It became clear that most of these programs were not well-suited for these domains. Most of them do not pay for Asian traffic. One program even contacted me directly to know that the type of traffic I was sending through my numerical domains was not the type they were looking to send their advertisers. They asked me to remove the domains. Next, I decided to give Google Adsense a try. I developed a few nice, simple pages and displayed some ads - and sure enough I got a few clicks. But total earnings were not much more than I got through parking with PPC companies. But since I now owned hundreds and hundreds of these domains, developing & hosting & tracking pages in this manner seemed not worth my time and effort. I was about to give up until I found GoldKey. Miraculously, GoldKey offers a solution for numerical domain owners. Some of my pure number domains that made nothing at other programs, were suddenly making several dollars per day (each). For those of you that own number domains that are not making you much money, consider giving these guys a try. Goldkey has an affiliate program, so if you are interested PM me. I can show you screenshots comparing the results for the same domains at various PPC programs as well as provide you my referral code. ;)

To be honest, not all of my digit domains receive traffic and generate click revenue. The majority of them are profitable, but some of them get no visitors at all. Rarely in the domain business is anything guaranteed - and making money off these domains is no different. To summarize: 4 digit domains are being accumulated in the major TLDs. All the .COM and .NET versions have been registered and as demand continues to be stronger than the supply, these names are consistently rising in price. You can make steady income parking these domains, as you wait for the next tidal wave of internet users to come online. As mobile and internet technology advances, who knows what new applications & systems will be developed that may increase the value of these domains. If you’re looking for an investment with a nice potential return - and limited downside, you could do worse than picking up some NNNN domains. As a reseller, you can decide to trade if these if you desire, but I doubt you will be able to flip these overnight for sizable profits. IMHO, the best course of action is to acquire them and be patient, picking up income along the way. You might be able to offset registration renewals with the parking revenue you earn.

Good luck.
 
26
•••
The views expressed on this page by users and staff are their own, not those of NamePros.
Trying my own experiment in the ####.net realm: Finally auctioning one ;) to a US audience ;)
Any updates from paxton, btw?
Haven't seen any on the big board at dnjournal.com , but have seen the traffic from the non-asian sources finally starting to pick up a touch. For what felt like the longest time, I was stuck with expired chinese/japanese traffic that was almost impossible to monetize, but am getting better results now.
Some ####.org's still avail, although the list is shrinking year over year, and the list is getting harder to check as the bulk whois servers restrict searches.
-Allan :gl:
 
0
•••
0
•••
numb3r.net is mine.kekkeke
 
0
•••
IAmAllanShore said:
Trying my own experiment in the ####.net realm: Finally auctioning one ;) to a US audience ;)
Any updates from paxton, btw?
Haven't seen any on the big board at dnjournal.com , but have seen the traffic from the non-asian sources finally starting to pick up a touch. For what felt like the longest time, I was stuck with expired chinese/japanese traffic that was almost impossible to monetize, but am getting better results now.
Some ####.org's still avail, although the list is shrinking year over year, and the list is getting harder to check as the bulk whois servers restrict searches.
-Allan :gl:
Allan,

I am glad to see you are getting some better results. My results are still hit and miss - some days are great while others are not so good. I am updating this thread each month with sales data I can find on NNNN.com domains. Currently, our general variety NNNN.net domains are being traded not too much higher than reg fee.

As for available NNNN per extension, all COM/NET continue to be taken and unavailable to register. The last time I updated available NNNN domains was on 1/8/06 when there were 5,162 available NNNN.info and only 2,607 available NNNN.org domains. Here's a chart with updated figures:

Number of Domains available to Register (as of pre-drop on 3/25/06)
Code:
	               [b]               .COM	.NET	.INFO	.ORG[/b]
0000 - 0999	0	0	625	479
1000 - 1999	0	0	142	0
2000 - 2999	0	0	128	3
3000 - 3999	0	0	127	2
4000 - 4999	0	0	798	6
5000 - 5999	0	0	881	5
6000 - 6999	0	0	609	6
7000 - 7999	0	0	441	524
8000 - 8999	0	0	845	739
[u]9000 - 9999	0	0	937	778[/u]
TOTALS   	0	0	5,533	2,542
 
0
•••
hmm anybody have th e NNNN.org /info /net list?
may register some n keep themsince its soon to be gone
anyone kind enuf to send to me?i give np n add rep
 
0
•••
Hi all....

I've been reading all the posts about 4 digit domains and decided to pick one up. It is 5683.info
5683=LOVE when punching the numbers in on a phone. Googled 5683 and it did get results for LOVE. What do you all think? Thanks
 
0
•••
0
•••
has nnnn.us any value?

like 8844 or 2233 or 5599 first 2 no same also last 2 no same
 
0
•••
jaikini said:
has nnnn.us any value?
I just ran a quick and dirty scan on available NNNN.us domains. As of today (before the drop) there were 8,226 available to register:
Code:
	               [b]               .US[/b]
0000 - 0999	934
1000 - 1999	659
2000 - 2999	880
3000 - 3999	942
4000 - 4999	964
5000 - 5999	948
6000 - 6999	963
7000 - 7999	955
8000 - 8999	0 (Reserved)
[u]9000 - 9999	971[/u]
TOTALS   	8,226
Over 82% of the possible 10,000 NNNN.us domain combinations are available to register, which is a very large number. Especially when you consider the registry reserves all of the numbers in the 8000-8999 range.

Based on this data, I would say most NNNN.us have a very low value. The top number combinations would be those ending in "00" (ex. 2500.us), those of historical dates (ex. 1986.us), or those with nice patterns (ex. 1234.us, 7777.us).
 
0
•••
I forgot to update this with March sales data. Here are the sales I was able track in March 2006 for 4-digit dot com (NNNN.com) domains at dropcatchers:

Code:
[b][u]Domain	        Auction Close	Dropcatcher	Closing Price[/b][/u]
1838.com	03/03/06	SnapNames	$366
6015.com	03/03/06	SnapNames	$80
8075.com	03/03/06	SnapNames	$164
3906.com	03/04/06	Club Drop	$100
5336.com	03/06/06	Club Drop	$150
3813.com	03/06/06	SnapNames	$170
5283.com	03/07/06	SnapNames	$131
4181.com	03/08/06	TDNAM	        $95
3067.com	03/08/06	TDNAM	        $76
7598.com	03/12/06	SnapNames	$150
6219.com	03/12/06	SnapNames	$115
3768.com	03/13/06	Club Drop	$180
9202.com	03/13/06	Club Drop	$150
0249.com	03/15/06	Club Drop	$40
4397.com	03/15/06	Pool	        $80
9529.com	03/16/06	SnapNames	$64
3979.com	03/17/06	Club Drop	$170
7561.com	03/25/06	Club Drop	$110
3544.com	03/26/06	Pool	        $110
We continue to see less and less NNNN.com names expire. You can see from the list that a few buyers got some nice bargain buys last month. I may have missed a couple auctions for March, so if you have any other sales to add, please let me know.

:)
 
0
•••
Due to travel and other personal issues, I was unable to keep up with tracking all NNNN.com sales. :(

Nevertheless, four digit domains remain Hot Hot Hot! Prices keep rising, and more and more people are noticing this segment of the market. Here are a few recent sales:

Code:
[b][u]Domain	        Auction Close	Dropcatcher	Closing Price[/b][/u]
9672.com	08/21/06	SnapNames	$210
9620.com	08/27/06	Pool	        $320
4689.com	08/28/06	SnapNames	$230
8147.com	08/28/06	SnapNames	$173
5079.com	08/28/06	Club Drop	$210
5212.com	08/31/06	SnapNames	$290
I probably still won't be able to track these as closely as in the past, so I encourage everyone to share and post NNNN closing prices as they come across them. That would be great if we could get a group effort to share sales data in this thread, both public and private.

Paxton

p.s. Did you all see the 2030.org sale in this week's DNjournal.com Sales Report? :tu:
 
Last edited:
0
•••
What would be the value for a nnnn.info , seems info is gaining VALUE.
 
0
•••
achacko said:
What would be the value for a nnnn.info , seems info is gaining VALUE.
I just ran a scan on NNNN.info domains yesterday. There are still 5,148 NNNN.info domains that remain unregistered. So with more than 50% of them still not taken, I can't see the general individual value of these being anything more than reg fee. And with fees for new .info registrations hovering in the $1-$3 range (current promotions) it's pretty easy to see this is probably a better time to accumulate them than it is to try to sell them for profit. :]

Here's the breakdown on the 5,148 remaining NNNN.info domains (as of 8-30):

0000 - 0999: 478
1000 - 1999: 0
2000 - 2999: 71
3000 - 3999: 52
4000 - 4999: 691
5000 - 5999: 800
6000 - 6999: 802
7000 - 7999: 626
8000 - 8999: 790
9000 - 9999: 838
Total: 5,148
 
0
•••
harpo said:
...i wanted to ask you if you have noticed an increase in traffic to your NNNN.com collection i know more and more chinese and asia people are going on the net at remarkable speed..... has your ppc increase over the last 7 months????
care to share that info pax?????
Actually, yes traffic has increased. I continue to tinker with PPC for my numerics, and I have discovered that most of my NNNN's (.net and .com) are doing better parked at dopa.com - which is a parking system for Chinese traffic that is based in China. For those that do not know this, web surfers originating from China and other areas of Asia are often unable to see our PPC landing pages. There is internet filtering going on in this part of the world that blocks access to certain nameservers. So many visitors to my numeric domains were being blocked from reaching my parking pages at Sedo, Goldkey, ND, Fabulous, DS, Trafficz, Klickerz, etc.

After using Dopa.com's service, I now realize that many domains receive a substantial amount of typeins from Asian surfers. I tested a batch of numeric domains (all .net and .com names) at Dopa for the month of August and was pleased with the results. I recommend numerical domain owners try out their service. My hunch is that most numerics would do better using their parking system. I'm not so sure .org, .info, and other extensions would do so well there - but I have not tested them.

My bottom line increase in traffic with this group is approximately 1000% in visitors and 50% revenue. This is comparing the month of August with previous months parked at SedoPro. Averages at Dopa were ¥18.56 (approx $2.33 USD) RPM, with an 8% overall CTR. These are not high ratios, but considering traffic has gone up ten-fold as compared to being parked at othr PPC programs, it works out nicely.

The nice thing about parking with Dopa is that non-Chinese traffic lands at a different PPC page - which I believe is a DomainSponsor page. So it would seem that Dopa has a partner arrangement with them. Also, I was surprised to see how much traffic my NNNN.net domains received. I would have expected my four digit dot coms to receive a lot more traffic than my dot nets. But as it turns out, my top two traffic and revenue earning names for the month were both NNNN.nets -- outperforimg all the NNNN.coms, as well as NNN.coms, NNN.nets and a NN.net that were also in the batch. Overall, of my top five performing domains at Dopa for last month, four of them were NNNN.net domains. Further evidence explaining why all the 4 digit dot nets are regged and unavailable.
 
0
•••
Here is a list of Dropping NNNN.net's and .com's :)

9-1-2006

2078.net
18kt.net Had to point this one out as well. :)

9-2-2006

3125.net
5649.net
7374.net
8695.net


9-3-2006

0

9-4-2006

4105.com *
1678.net
2145.net
4374.net
8806.net

9-5-2006

4630.com *
4219.net

9-6-2006

9848.net
9091.net
4130.net
3614.net
3069.net
1631.net

Here are some that are Available that might be worth giving a try :)

1961.biz
2051.us
2106.info
2108.info
2112.info
2119.info
2125.info
2128.info
2132.info
2158.info
2132.info
2158.info
2163.info
2166.info
2168.info
2172.info
2188.info
2198.info
2199.info

I just picked up the remaining .us from 1931-2049 :)

1931.us
1937.us
1938.us
2036.us
2043.us
2044.us
2045.us
2049.us
 
Last edited:
0
•••
paxton said:
Actually, yes traffic has increased. I continue to tinker with PPC for my numerics, and I have discovered that most of my NNNN's (.net and .com) are doing better parked at dopa.com - which is a parking system for Chinese traffic that is based in China. For those that do not know this, web surfers originating from China and other areas of Asia are often unable to see our PPC landing pages. There is internet filtering going on in this part of the world that blocks access to certain nameservers. So many visitors to my numeric domains were being blocked from reaching my parking pages at Sedo, Goldkey, ND, Fabulous, DS, Trafficz, Klickerz, etc.

After using Dopa.com's service, I now realize that many domains receive a substantial amount of typeins from Asian surfers. I tested a batch of numeric domains (all .net and .com names) at Dopa for the month of August and was pleased with the results. I recommend numerical domain owners try out their service. My hunch is that most numerics would do better using their parking system. I'm not so sure .org, .info, and other extensions would do so well there - but I have not tested them.

My bottom line increase in traffic with this group is approximately 1000% in visitors and 50% revenue. This is comparing the month of August with previous months parked at SedoPro. Averages at Dopa were ¥18.56 (approx $2.33 USD) RPM, with an 8% overall CTR. These are not high ratios, but considering traffic has gone up ten-fold as compared to being parked at othr PPC programs, it works out nicely.

The nice thing about parking with Dopa is that non-Chinese traffic lands at a different PPC page - which I believe is a DomainSponsor page. So it would seem that Dopa has a partner arrangement with them. Also, I was surprised to see how much traffic my NNNN.net domains received. I would have expected my four digit dot coms to receive a lot more traffic than my dot nets. But as it turns out, my top two traffic and revenue earning names for the month were both NNNN.nets -- outperforimg all the NNNN.coms, as well as NNN.coms, NNN.nets and a NN.net that were also in the batch. Overall, of my top five performing domains at Dopa for last month, four of them were NNNN.net domains. Further evidence explaining why all the 4 digit dot nets are regged and unavailable.

do you realize this kind of info will fuel the prices of nnnn.com and net domains???? we could be looking at 500 per name by next year,,,
 
0
•••
Hi guys/gals. I'm still unable to keep up with tracking all NNNN.com sales. :(

Here are a few recent sales I managed to record:

Code:
[b][u]Domain	        Auction Close	Dropcatcher	Closing Price[/b][/u]
4311.com	10/29/06	Club Drop	$260
9104.com	10/25/06	SnapNames	$266
7814.com	10/23/06	Club Drop	$210
6119.com	09/18/06	Pool	        $290
Does anyone else have any recent NNNN closing prices they can share?

Paxton
 
0
•••
From Afternic:
0005.com 370 11/01/2006
7841.com 300 11/01/2006
7857.com 300 11/01/2006
 
0
•••
Reviving this extremely insightful thread because I have a few questions:

I own several NNNN.info domains that had been parked at Sedo until I recently moved a few of them to Parked.com. The traffic on one in particular jumped dramatically within a day but, as with Sedo, I'm getting no clicks. All of the traffic originates in China and I know several people have recommended Dopa.com for Asian traffic. Is this still the preferred parking source for NNNN domains? Are there any others worth investigating? Thanks for your advice.

Brad
 
0
•••
paxton said:
Of course it's still early, but I do tend to think that the 5 digit domains will be next in this game of supply and demand.
No, it is not too early. Try to find legitimate and popular zip codes. Nearly impossible.

And to think, just a few years ago the domain "experts" advice for domain investors was to stay away from anything that was not .com, had hyphens, or contained numbers.

Superb effort and research on your part.
 
0
•••
I had to look to be sure...

but I don't have any NNNN.com 's

and now you have me wanting some...

durn you...

LOL...

~DomainBELL (Patricia)
 
0
•••
Still no 4 # .net's available to hand register ( nnnn.net ), but still no mad rush to buy on the end user market nor reseller market (At least not that I'm seeing at the moment).
I know it's been a while since an update - anyone having a different experience than I am?
-Allan :gl:
 
0
•••
anyone feels like updating on NNNN.info's? :)

excellent thread
 
0
•••
as far as i know all NNNN.info are also gone... have not done a thorough scan though :(
 
0
•••
champ_rock said:
as far as i know all NNNN.info are also gone... have not done a thorough scan though :(

No no no...
Plenty left.
Over 100 available in the 1000 to 2000 range alone.

-Allan :gl:
 
0
•••
  • The sidebar remains visible by scrolling at a speed relative to the page’s height.
Back