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NUMB3RS: What’s the deal with 4-Digit Domains (NNNN)?

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People often ask me for my opinion on numerical domains, and in particular 4-digit dot coms (1234.com) and 4-digit dot nets (1234.net). Since number domains do not trade as frequently as letter domains, there is often uncertainty about their market value. Western webmasters/domain resellers rarely encounter websites developed on numerical domains, and question how easy such domain names are to monetize. Do these names get traffic? Can they make you money in the short term or long term or both? Here is my story, and hopefully it will answer some questions on what is happening now and where this segment of the domain market might be headed.

I have become a collector/investor of numerical domains. It started over a year ago when I noticed that a handful of 4-digit dot com domains (a.k.a NNNN.com domains) were selling for high prices in auctions for expired names. It was puzzling why some of these NNNN.com domains were available to register for the basic reg fee while others were commanding prices over $100. I asked around, but most people did not have any answers. In fact, a large majority thought these types of domains had very little value - reg fee at best. That is when I began to do my research. I began to track what prices these names were selling for in the open market, who was doing the buying, and how many NNNN.com domains remained unregistered. Based on the upward trend of such names, I concluded that it was worthwhile to register as many of these as possible for $8 and lower. It wasn’t long before all 10,000 possible NNNN.com combinations were registered. My attention then shifted to the expired name marketplace. At first it was possible to catch these names as they dropped using inexpensive services like Enom’s Club Drop. As NNNN.com domains deleted, most of them could be secured for $10 (+ registration fee). This lasted for a few weeks before the competition picked up and the names began heading to auctions. It was at this time that prices rose into the $30-$60 range, with some of them selling for over $100. A few high profile public auctions took place last year with the names going for $300+ each.

At this point I began to dig deeper into these types of names. There were many questions and very few answers. Early research showed that number combinations beginning with the numeral 0 (e.g., 0136.com, 0591.com) were the least desired, followed by numbers that contained the numeral 4. Apparently, “4" has negative meanings in various non-Western cultures. For example, in Ancient Hebrew and Chaldean philosophies, the number 4 is associated with mortality and death. Also, the Chinese people try to avoid the number 4 because it sounds the same as death in Cantonese. The numbers most in demand by domain owners were those with repeating numbers, those representing special historical dates, and those with numbers 3, 6, and 8. Again, this preference for certain numbers over others seems to be rooted in ancient numerology - where cultures believe that the universe is based on mathematical principles. As a result, numbers have great significance in people’s daily lives. In China lucky phone numbers such as 133-3333-3333 or 8888-8888 were reported as sold for more than $200,000 each. There are many other possible meanings for numbers. They represent dates, product numbers, physical addresses, phone abbreviations (think SMS) and they even substitute for words in mobile business services (see http://worddial.com).

Today, demand for NNNN.com domains is still strong. Just this morning, 8582.com sold for $180 at Enom. But what is really making the story of number domains interesting is the recent surge in interest of 4 digit dot net domains (a.k.a NNNN.net domains). Just a month or two ago, you could find many of these available to register. The demand was low and so were the prices. That has changed in a hurry. Now all NNNN.net domains are registered. As they expire, they are being caught by dropcatchers and auctioned off to the highest bidder. More auction results from today:

4623.NET $60
1383.NET $60
9915.NET $60
7818.NET $55
4080.NET $100

Yesterday I ran a check to see how many 4 digit domains were available in the .INFO and .ORG extensions. Since I knew all .COM and .NET versions were taken, I thought it might be interesting to see how popular they were in other TLDs. Here is what I found:

Number of Domains available to Register (as of 7/3/05)
Code:
	      [b].COM	.NET	.INFO	.ORG[/b]
0000 - 0999	0	0	27	538
1000 - 1999	0	0	0	0
2000 - 2999	0	0	0	0
3000 - 3999	0	0	6	2
4000 - 4999	0	0	736	0
5000 - 5999	0	0	582	2
6000 - 6999	0	0	480	0
7000 - 7999	0	0	426	565
8000 - 8999	0	0	594	821
[u]9000 - 9999	0	0	448	861[/u]
TOTALS   	0	0	3299	2789


The results seem to indicate that someone is systematically acquiring these domains, one decile at a time. Some quick scans of the whois database revealed that this might indeed be happening. Does anyone remember Duke’s article entitled The Great Three-Letter .Info/.Biz Buyout: Elequa Alters the New Extension Landscape ? History might be repeating itself. Elequa publicly discussed numerical domains earlier this year in a February 23rd interview on DomainMasters radio. In the interview, Elequa talked about many topics, but in particular he gave some unique insight into why pure number domains have significance to the Arabic speaking world. If you would like to hear that interview, you can find it archived at Monikers website: Domain Masters: Online Radio Talk Show Archives.

So here we are today. We find that NNNN.nets are picking up steam in the marketplace. We know that NNNN.coms are still hot, and some of them are hitting new highs (last week 0753.com sold for $3,433 and 0572.com sold $2,450). We see that NNNN.infos and NNNN.orgs are being slowly absorbed into strong hands. To me, there is little to indicate that the value of these domains will go anywhere but up. They are scarce - only 10,000 four-digit combinations exist per each extension. They are often preferred by cultures who do not use the Western alphabet. As an owner of 4 digit domains, I notice that some names receive very high numbers of foreign type-in traffic. Experts predict millions and millions of new internet users will emerge from non-Western areas in the next several years. The long term potential for these names looks promising, from an investment point of view. But what about the short term? If domain owners want to hold on to their digit domains, can they make money from them?

When I first started to acquire these domains, I did not believe they would be easy to monetize. I tried parking them at various places like Sedo and DomainHop. Eventually, I moved them around to other PPC programs like DomainSponsor and Fabulous. It became clear that most of these programs were not well-suited for these domains. Most of them do not pay for Asian traffic. One program even contacted me directly to know that the type of traffic I was sending through my numerical domains was not the type they were looking to send their advertisers. They asked me to remove the domains. Next, I decided to give Google Adsense a try. I developed a few nice, simple pages and displayed some ads - and sure enough I got a few clicks. But total earnings were not much more than I got through parking with PPC companies. But since I now owned hundreds and hundreds of these domains, developing & hosting & tracking pages in this manner seemed not worth my time and effort. I was about to give up until I found GoldKey. Miraculously, GoldKey offers a solution for numerical domain owners. Some of my pure number domains that made nothing at other programs, were suddenly making several dollars per day (each). For those of you that own number domains that are not making you much money, consider giving these guys a try. Goldkey has an affiliate program, so if you are interested PM me. I can show you screenshots comparing the results for the same domains at various PPC programs as well as provide you my referral code. ;)

To be honest, not all of my digit domains receive traffic and generate click revenue. The majority of them are profitable, but some of them get no visitors at all. Rarely in the domain business is anything guaranteed - and making money off these domains is no different. To summarize: 4 digit domains are being accumulated in the major TLDs. All the .COM and .NET versions have been registered and as demand continues to be stronger than the supply, these names are consistently rising in price. You can make steady income parking these domains, as you wait for the next tidal wave of internet users to come online. As mobile and internet technology advances, who knows what new applications & systems will be developed that may increase the value of these domains. If you’re looking for an investment with a nice potential return - and limited downside, you could do worse than picking up some NNNN domains. As a reseller, you can decide to trade if these if you desire, but I doubt you will be able to flip these overnight for sizable profits. IMHO, the best course of action is to acquire them and be patient, picking up income along the way. You might be able to offset registration renewals with the parking revenue you earn.

Good luck.
 
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The thread that started it all now a decade old, wow.
 
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Thanks, all. These explanations make sense, especially for 18NN and 19NN domains. Certainly for important historical dates, such as 1776 (U.S. significance), 1492, or 1066. Or the fearsome 1040 as tax season in the U.S. comes to a close (LOL).

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BTW, I don't own any of the above numbers.

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I was delighted to be able to purchase 1066 recently!

The dot com that is!
 
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...NNNN.org domains... Are they still all taken?

I just ran a quick scan. Approximately 93% of all NNNN.org domains show as taken. Out of the 10,000 possible combinations - only 667 show as available to register.

They are:

0093.org
0096.org
0129.org
0134.org
0136.org
0161.org
0167.org
0187.org
0192.org
0240.org
0244.org
0254.org
0257.org
0261.org
0270.org
0273.org
0327.org
0348.org
0362.org
0383.org
0384.org
0390.org
0441.org
0446.org
0447.org
0448.org
0481.org
0489.org
0493.org
0494.org
0496.org
0497.org
0498.org
0612.org
0624.org
0627.org
0630.org
0636.org
0637.org
0641.org
0642.org
0645.org
0646.org
0647.org
0651.org
0653.org
0664.org
0683.org
0684.org
0687.org
0694.org
0748.org
0782.org
0819.org
0846.org
0865.org
0922.org
0942.org
0950.org
0956.org
0959.org
0962.org
2607.org
3409.org
4628.org
6429.org
7248.org
7355.org
7358.org
7371.org
7382.org
7387.org
7396.org
7403.org
7408.org
7413.org
7418.org
7423.org
7424.org
7428.org
7431.org
7435.org
7436.org
7437.org
7438.org
7451.org
7453.org
7461.org
7462.org
7463.org
7467.org
7468.org
7472.org
7484.org
7485.org
7489.org
7493.org
7494.org
7496.org
7498.org
7503.org
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7516.org
7519.org
7523.org
7526.org
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7529.org
7534.org
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7541.org
7546.org
7548.org
7553.org
7561.org
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7563.org
7574.org
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7595.org
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7612.org
7621.org
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7641.org
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7657.org
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7664.org
7681.org
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7706.org
7736.org
7738.org
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7740.org
7742.org
7745.org
7752.org
7754.org
7763.org
7769.org
7786.org
7790.org
7803.org
7809.org
7814.org
7816.org
7823.org
7824.org
7836.org
7853.org
7860.org
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7864.org
7881.org
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7912.org
7914.org
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7951.org
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7962.org
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8032.org
8034.org
8045.org
8047.org
8048.org
8049.org
8054.org
8059.org
8069.org
8074.org
8075.org
8076.org
8093.org
8134.org
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8151.org
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8212.org
8217.org
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8310.org
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8346.org
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8356.org
8371.org
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8392.org
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8402.org
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8407.org
8413.org
8414.org
8415.org
8417.org
8420.org
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8425.org
8427.org
8428.org
8431.org
8434.org
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8460.org
8461.org
8463.org
8467.org
8468.org
8470.org
8471.org
8473.org
8475.org
8476.org
8478.org
8479.org
8489.org
8504.org
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8516.org
8523.org
8524.org
8527.org
8534.org
8536.org
8539.org
8541.org
8542.org
8547.org
8571.org
8573.org
8574.org
8579.org
8584.org
8587.org
8592.org
8594.org
8604.org
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8627.org
8633.org
8634.org
8641.org
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8657.org
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8672.org
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8675.org
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8712.org
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8736.org
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8751.org
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8762.org
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8771.org
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8834.org
8874.org
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8912.org
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8917.org
8921.org
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8927.org
8934.org
8935.org
8941.org
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8945.org
8946.org
8947.org
8954.org
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8962.org
8973.org
8974.org
8975.org
8984.org
8985.org
8997.org
9012.org
9017.org
9032.org
9034.org
9041.org
9042.org
9047.org
9049.org
9057.org
9062.org
9063.org
9065.org
9067.org
9073.org
9074.org
9078.org
9082.org
9084.org
9102.org
9104.org
9121.org
9131.org
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9134.org
9137.org
9140.org
9141.org
9142.org
9143.org
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9153.org
9154.org
9157.org
9165.org
9167.org
9184.org
9187.org
9202.org
9206.org
9208.org
9214.org
9224.org
9239.org
9241.org
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9253.org
9269.org
9271.org
9274.org
9276.org
9283.org
9284.org
9285.org
9286.org
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9302.org
9304.org
9305.org
9312.org
9317.org
9318.org
9326.org
9340.org
9341.org
9342.org
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9346.org
9347.org
9348.org
9351.org
9352.org
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9357.org
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9359.org
9361.org
9364.org
9367.org
9374.org
9375.org
9376.org
9378.org
9379.org
9382.org
9384.org
9387.org
9395.org
9401.org
9407.org
9408.org
9414.org
9416.org
9417.org
9426.org
9429.org
9435.org
9436.org
9438.org
9441.org
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9460.org
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9465.org
9466.org
9468.org
9469.org
9470.org
9471.org
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9480.org
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9490.org
9501.org
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9515.org
9522.org
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9525.org
9529.org
9532.org
9534.org
9536.org
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9540.org
9541.org
9546.org
9548.org
9560.org
9562.org
9564.org
9570.org
9572.org
9584.org
9594.org
9601.org
9603.org
9605.org
9611.org
9620.org
9621.org
9624.org
9627.org
9628.org
9632.org
9635.org
9640.org
9641.org
9643.org
9644.org
9647.org
9648.org
9649.org
9671.org
9672.org
9680.org
9682.org
9684.org
9701.org
9702.org
9706.org
9710.org
9713.org
9719.org
9720.org
9723.org
9724.org
9725.org
9726.org
9734.org
9736.org
9739.org
9740.org
9741.org
9743.org
9744.org
9745.org
9746.org
9748.org
9750.org
9751.org
9752.org
9754.org
9764.org
9772.org
9782.org
9783.org
9790.org
9795.org
9803.org
9807.org
9812.org
9814.org
9818.org
9824.org
9826.org
9827.org
9829.org
9830.org
9834.org
9837.org
9842.org
9845.org
9846.org
9847.org
9850.org
9852.org
9853.org
9854.org
9859.org
9860.org
9864.org
9865.org
9903.org
9907.org
9914.org
9934.org
9943.org
9947.org
9948.org
9954.org
9972.org

:lala:
 
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Numbers that begin with 1 are the best because they have the most uses. Simple logic shows that this is correct. 13019 has many more google hits than 92837. This isn't true for every lower number, but on average the lower numbers have many many more existing uses/users. BTW, I updated the blog with 4.cn auction results for the last month.
 
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One of the most insightful posts I have ever read on the topic of domains Thanks so much for sharing Paxton.
 
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paxton said:
Number of Domains available to Register (as of 7/3/05)
Code:
	      [b].COM	.NET	.INFO	.ORG[/b]
0000 - 0999	0	0	27	538
1000 - 1999	0	0	0	0
2000 - 2999	0	0	0	0
3000 - 3999	0	0	6	2
4000 - 4999	0	0	736	0
5000 - 5999	0	0	582	2
6000 - 6999	0	0	480	0
7000 - 7999	0	0	426	565
8000 - 8999	0	0	594	821
[u]9000 - 9999	0	0	448	861[/u]
TOTALS   	0	0	3299	2789
A few people have asked me if I have the list of available .org and .info names from the above table. Here it is: Available NNNN info/org as of 7-3-05

Keep in mind this was as of a few days ago, so some of these may have already been registered.

:)
 
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IAmAllanShore said:
Nice article, and now I too may get a laugh at all of those that gave me heck about my 4 # .net's ;)

You paint a very rosy picture of the outlook, and I'd certainly like to see it come to fruition, but only time will tell...
Thanks, Allan.

I agree I do sound a bit optimistic, but this is heavily influenced by actual short-term PPC earnings off NNNN domains. I hope everyone has similar success because I know for a long while I was making only pennies with my number domains. If the long-term value of these turns out to be a disappointment, the ongoing revenue should help to offset the pain.

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Adding the list of available .info's

-Allan :gl:
 
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After many offers, counter bids, auction requests, etc. -- I finally sold my first NNNN.net via www.4.cn today.

¥950 RMB ($142 USD) for 7345.net not including 4.cn's 8% brokerage fee. Not bad for a name I bought here at NP 3 months ago for $18.

The complete deal was finished within 30 minutes of accepting the offer. The buyer paid very fast and 4.cn was quick to verify funds received. I pushed the domain to the buyer's registrar account and the funds were released to my 4.cn account. I requested a payout via paypal which I hope will be completed by 4.cn by the end of the day.
 
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What is the outlook for NNNN.org domains in 2012?

Are they still all taken?

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I would avoid unless 8888/org or some other repeating sequence

Sold out ..........dont know sorry , kinda doubt it ?
 
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Haven't been in this post in a long time, one of the greatest forum threads of all time, anywhere. How have you been Paxton ? you making a lot of Number sales, I think the last I did was the sale to you of 503.info. All those NNNN.com that were available were one great opportunity. I remember regging ones that ended in 99 for infomercials like 29.99. There were plenty more in like 2005 that was a time for those late to domaining to have one niche that still had reg fee profits. Nice to see you still got this thread going.
 
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lower numbers are always more popular for some reason, part numbers, addresses ....etc
 
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I agree with Ms.Domainer the 0 are the least desirable. Starting with 1 I would think would be better because many may use them for years of the past century.
 
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Haven't been in this post in a long time... All those NNNN.com that were available were one great opportunity. ...
Hello, Equity!

It has been awhile, good to see you here. The opportunity with the NNNN .com's was tremendous. I only wish I could have grabbed more and didn't sell as many as I did when they were trading in the mid $XXX range. Although it is hard to fault oneself for taking those kind of profits from reg fee names.

The NNNN.net names haven't appreciated at the same rate, although I've been able to make a few sales here and there that have been very nice. For the most part, I receive offers every week on Sedo in the $60 range. Those are useless when taking into consideration the fees charged, and not worth sending to auction IMHO. Offers are also received from time to time on 4.CN in the $150 USD range. My experience with those offers is that I am usually dealing with people who are not serious about negotiating or buying, although I've made a few sales off those leads.

As evirtual1 posted a few days ago, there aren't many reseller sales on NP or other forums, so I really appreciate rkbdomain's blog updates. Maybe if he has the time, he can report some notable NNNN.net sales here from time to time to keep everyone updated.

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Even better yet!

Very important historical year! Almost every school child has had this date pounded into his/her head.

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I was delighted to be able to purchase 1066 recently!

The dot com that is!
 
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My surname is Hastings so it makes for a very memorable email address!

Also got another major English battle date dot com - 1485!
 
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numeric domains have been an amazing investment vehicle for domainers... I sit back in awe as I watch the reported sales of NNNN.com and NNNNN.com domains nearly 10 years after this thread was posted. Even NNNN.nets are doing great.

Cheers to all numeric domain investors! :D
 
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Excellent Post Paxton, Word Dial seems to Own a bunch of numerical domains over 6500 not just 4 number and I ask you do you think a trend continues if 4 nnn.com taken 5 nnnnn.com becomes desireable. I own a few 7599.com gets good traffic and I have Beyonce and Avril numerically Both get some type ins. REP upgraded Nice Job.
 
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great great research paxton, thankyou so much for sharing, im a believer.

though i thought i was the last to hand reg the last nnnn.com back 16 months ago???

Paul
 
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Fantastic post Paxton :tu:
 
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good post! nice to read! rep upgraded
 
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