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I was told by one of Latona's people that was recruiting for that conference, that they would not be taking any .tv domains for the cctld auction, because they're not typical cctlds.

Funny, I just looked at the auction list and noticed at least a dozen .tv domains listed.

Nothing like being fed a load of crap, especially while someone looks you in the eye and lies!! I open the auction list and expected to not see any .tv's, but instead saw many!!

This is a small community, let's be people of our word!! If you don't like my domains or others that are submitted, fine just say so, don't tell me one thing and blatantly do the other.

Like I wouldn't notice, and at this point, if anyone hands me a Rick Latona business card, I know that they will tell you one thing and do the other!!

Anyone else as frustrated with this as me? Maybe I just woke up on the wrong side of the bed and this was my way of unleashing my anger. It just doesn't seem right.
 
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Why would they say that ... because there are several ".TV" domain names presently listed (and they are, still, a ccTLD) (as highlighted in another active thread here in this space), IMHO. :|

-Jeff B-)
 
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I said this before, and it bears repeating.

Rick LaTona is more than likely a nice guy but he is first and foremost a businessman and he behaves as such. If he doesn't like the extension, or feels threatened by its potential, in particular this media-rich one, it's more than likely he will attempt to deceive anyone related to it and sully its name anyway he can. What we have to remember is he is a competitor, not necessarily an associate, and we can't always depend on a competitor to be honest with us.

We also have to remember that

One Monkey Don't Stop No Show.

He and others may try to derail the extension(futilely, I might add) but he ain't gonna stop it. Slow it down but not for long either. Not him, at any rate. He will join the fray once he throws enough money away and cash in on the extension(if he hasn't already prepared for it). He still seems to be of a 20th century .com(et al) mindset and will soon enough find himself in the 21st century and witness the changes that are evolving around him.

The problem of many .com-ish people is that their minds appear to be as parked as most of their .com domains. And that is a losing proposition in and of itself.

Nothing personal, of course, but let's be clear about this. The sun rises and falls on Rick LaTona only for Rick LaTona, no one else. Once that is understood, you can focus and proceed with your own agenda.

At any rate, I wish him and all domainers good luck and fortune as this is a great enterprise to be in and technology assists our growth.
 
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I agree, he's a competitor and a businessman, as well as, an associate. It seems like most successful domain owners are USUALLY open and honest with others, and giving their thoughts.

I'm not saying that it was done maliciously, but it sure rubbed me the wrong way!! I'm kind of over it, but thought this was a great way to help .tv and sell a couple of mine.
 
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It seems like most successful domain owners are USUALLY open and honest with others, and giving their thoughts.

Yep and some people hate people who are open and honest (and successful).
 
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Yep and some people hate people who are open and honest (and successful).

Those are the ones that generally walk around frowning and thinking how they can 'one up' others!!

There is plenty of room for all to succeed in this industry. Even though I've only been around 18 months, I'll tell anyone what I can, to give them advice. I'm always happy and willing to share my limited knowledge, and I appreciate all the folks that gave me honest tips and encouragement.
 
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He still seems to be of a 20th century .com(et al) mindset and will soon enough find himself in the 21st century and witness the changes that are evolving around him.

The problem of many .com-ish people is that their minds appear to be as parked as most of their .com domains. And that is a losing proposition in and of itself.


Would you be referring to the same Rick Latona who has a large collection of cctld including idn.cctld :?
 
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Would you be referring to the same Rick Latona who has a large collection of cctld including idn.cctld :?

Would that be the one and same Rick LaTona who treats the .tv extension like a red-headed step-child? I dunno. I only called 'em as I saw 'em.

As I said, as a competitor and business type, he sure seems and has been hostile to this particular extension for "no apparent reason". From here it sure seems he has a hidden agenda regarding .tv.
 
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Would that be the one and same Rick LaTona who treats the .tv extension like a red-headed step-child? I dunno. I only called 'em as I saw 'em.

As I said, as a competitor and business type, he sure seems and has been hostile to this particular extension for "no apparent reason". From here it sure seems he has a hidden agenda regarding .tv.

I see he has a few overpriced .tv in his auction and runs a forum that includes .tv - not sure what you are getting at in respect of his hostility.

What happened, Rick tread on your toes:?
 
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He and others may try to derail the extension(futilely, I might add) but he ain't gonna stop it. Slow it down but not for long either. Not him, at any rate. He will join the fray once he throws enough money away and cash in on the extension(if he hasn't already prepared for it). He still seems to be of a 20th century .com(et al) mindset and will soon enough find himself in the 21st century and witness the changes that are evolving around him.

It is a nice conspiracy theory but that is all it is, if a domainer felt an extension had potential they'd be buying it rather than feeling "threatened" by it.

The irony is he has a whole lot of .tv's in the auction. If there is no .tv's he is somehow trying to hold the extension down but if he lists some, some ...wow....this guy really must dislike .tv! What exactly do people want to see?

The problem of many .com-ish people is that their minds appear to be as parked as most of their .com domains. And that is a losing proposition in and of itself.

I think the problem is most of them are focused on the bottom line. Most have no interest in .tv yet the .tv people go around as though their disinterest is a personal insult, from the post above you can see this is a "problem", get over it!

Nothing personal.....

lol
 
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Yet the fact remains, Snoop, that you(or at least your thinking) seem to be late 20th century and you appear to be slipping out of sync with the changes taking place in and around the internet. In essence you may have that "parked" mentality that is becoming less profitable than it once was.

LOL, You seem to be still watching black and white television while HDTV has arrived and is no longer on the horizon. I trust that you have a digital converter so you will not be surprised on June 12, 2009.

At any rate, there is nothing personal as I do not take offense nor do I mean any offense. I like jousting and ribbing and if you(or anyone else) can't take or understand the humor or satire meant in good-nature, I will not aggravate you and will leave you alone. A lot of people like yourself suffer from this type of tunnel-vision when it comes to the "church of .com".

I just see the smoke and mirrors you present every single time you attempt to degrade a valid extension and see it as backward 20th century thinking. But hey, we need people like you to stay just the way you are!

Thanks for you reply, Snooperdoo, and enjoy the day and week.
 
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I can not accept your .tv names to the auction, but I can list the .tv names being verisign or enom associate in my auction.



It seems like that to me, but who knows, may be rick can come to this thread and put some light on this issue?
 
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Yet the fact remains, Snoop, that you(or at least your thinking) seem to be late 20th century and you appear to be slipping out of sync with the changes taking place in and around the internet. In essence you may have that "parked" mentality that is becoming less profitable than it once was.

LOL, You seem to be still watching black and white television while HDTV has arrived and is no longer on the horizon. I trust that you have a digital converter so you will not be surprised on June 12, 2009.

At any rate, there is nothing personal as I do not take offense nor do I mean any offense. I like jousting and ribbing and if you(or anyone else) can't take or understand the humor or satire meant in good-nature, I will not aggravate you and will leave you alone. A lot of people like yourself suffer from this type of tunnel-vision when it comes to the "church of .com".

I just see the smoke and mirrors you present every single time you attempt to degrade a valid extension and see it as backward 20th century thinking. But hey, we need people like you to stay just the way you are!

Thanks for you reply, Snooperdoo, and enjoy the day and week.

Yep the the parking industry is crumbling right now and I have never denied it. It is far less profitable than it once was.

In truth though the type in .com investors that you mock have done far far better than those who chose to invest in .tv names. I still know of not one person who has gotten rich from these names, the "best care scenarios", are people who claim to make a living from it. This is after 13 years of .tv speculation.
 
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I see he has a few overpriced .tv in his auction and runs a forum that includes .tv - not sure what you are getting at in respect of his hostility.

What happened, Rick tread on your toes:?

I just wonder if these names were overpriced by design to guarantee failure.

Rick is a successful businessman and I respect him for that.

Any reservations or questions that I may have regarding his reluctance of treating this particular extension fairly does not mean I dislike the person. We are in a great country with a system that gives all of us opportunity to succeed as well as the the freedom to question actions that we may or may not understand.

No, Rick did not "step on my toes". I just see him as a regular guy, not the towering figure on the pedestal that you seem to place him on. He is prone, like all of us, to make mistakes as well as brilliant moves.

I just think that his history has shown an aberration in his pattern when it comes to the .tv extension and do think there is a hidden agenda behind it.

...and in that there is nothing personal in my comments.

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Yep the the parking industry is crumbling right now and I have never denied it. It is far less profitable than it once was.

In truth though the type in .com investors that you mock have done far far better than those who chose to invest in .tv names. I still know of not one person who has gotten rich from these names, the "best care scenarios", are people who claim to make a living from it. This is after 13 years of .tv speculation.

I hate the term mocking, and it sure looks like I have done exactly that.

Yet the fact remains everything changes and the internet is no exception. The fact that I speculate on the .tv extention is just that, speculation. I do have confidence of its success as branching out to fill a particular niche in this techno-evolution, not replacing .com, as I have posted many times here and elsewhere, but harboring itself in the world of an interactive internet-mobile-hdtv triad.

A bit of creative dreaming, to be sure, but there is room at the inn, so to speak, and creative minds will employ an extension that costs so much less than the .com elephant and is a useful term(tv), having been branded for more than half a century.

Pure speculation, Snoop, like everything else in life. So maybe I shouldn't make statements that seem to mock .commers, after all. They started out as speculators themselves.

Thanks, Snoop.
 
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Yet the fact remains, Snoop, that you(or at least your thinking) seem to be late 20th century and you appear to be slipping out of sync with the changes taking place in and around the internet. In essence you may have that "parked" mentality that is becoming less profitable than it once was.

LOL, You seem to be still watching black and white television while HDTV has arrived and is no longer on the horizon. I trust that you have a digital converter so you will not be surprised on June 12, 2009.
Which changes do you have in mind, and how they do affect .tv ? :talk:
 
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Which changes do you have in mind, and how they do affect .tv ? :talk:

Hmm...the ideas that come to mind do not just apply to .tv but the internet in its entirety. Whatever the extension is will be able to be experienced on the hdtv as well as the internet and mobile. Going digital seems to be preparing this entry into the 21st century.

The way that radio am then fm then satellite; black and white then color tv then vhf, uhf then digital and cable/satellite; hi-fi then stereo; cylinders, vinyl, reel-to-reel, cassette then cd onto mp3 ad infinitum.

Whatever we see as an old reliable standard changes with the times. We change with it sooner or later.

I see channels more than "websites" in many applications as even now we can get hundreds, if not thousands of channels on our hdtv.

This is not going away. And the relative price for a sound useful name that would be prohibitive for an enduser to purchase in its .com incarnation would be pleasantly affordable in .tv. I use .tv as second from other extensions precisely because of the familiarity of the term and where it will also be seen, which is why I like to say channel more than website. But as I have stated prior to this post, it really is an extension with a particular interactive video/audio niche, a branch of this evolution and not a competitor of any of the other extensions per se.

As I said with the ushering in of digital conversion it would appear that a path(or road or highway, for that matter) is being laid for the next techno-evolutionary metamorphosis.

that is just my opion at any rate, and as I had explained to Snoop, nothing more than a speculation that I am seeing as a possible development taking place. Life is a gamble so I'm just having fun with it and seeing where the pieces connect.
 
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No, Rick did not "step on my toes". I just see him as a regular guy, not the towering figure on the pedestal that you seem to place him on. He is prone, like all of us, to make mistakes as well as brilliant moves.

I just think that his history has shown an aberration in his pattern when it comes to the .tv extension and do think there is a hidden agenda behind it.

...and in that there is nothing personal in my comments.
Seems to be some sort of .tv paranoia on your part.

And I fail to see how I picture Rick on a pedestal from my comments, please enlighten me.

And me personally , quite like .tv - mostly IDN but half a dozen ascii. Simply can't find buyers- maybe down to the quality of my portfolio. :blink:
 
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Seems to be some sort of .tv paranoia on your part.

Nah, I ain't paranoid.


And I fail to see how I picture Rick on a pedestal from my comments, please enlighten me.

Probably for the same reason you seem to see paranoia in my statements, I guess.
 
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It would be nice if Rick stopped by the thread to make comment....
 
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I see he has a few overpriced .tv in his auction and runs a forum that includes .tv

We will see what happens. He has set the bar very high with his pricing. He also has a couple of names which are well suited to the extension. The extent of his portfolio in this extension is an unknown factor at this time, lathough his public indications are that it is limited in scope.

There is a lot of speculation about the motives.

There may also be the obvious.

With ownership of a domain name, it is like Highlander, "There can only be one".

By setting the price on the high side, the end user side, he may simply be trying to extract the maximum value for his holdings. If they sell, then he does very well with them, and there is satisfaction in that victory. If they do not sell, he still retains ownership. He is in a position to wait until the market catches up to where he stands. He can evaluate the results and move accordingly.

If his position is limited at this time, this is a low risk high reward proposition.

If his position is hidden and extensive, then it is a much bolder and riskier move. The payoff, if he can establish a high value range is considerable, and will demonstrate that it is time to put more of his cards on the table. However, if all of the offerings are rejected, then it would be a clear setback. If any sell, it is a partial success, and indicates a degree of recognition of the extensions value. He can also leverage his position as a high profile intermediary to his advantage.

A more conservative approach may have been weighed.

Depending on his degree of exposure, it would have different implications. The risk is of setting the overall market value too low.

If he has a limited portfolio, then opening at a "domainer price" risks being put in the position of a significant undersale and loss of long term value in what holdings he has.

If the portfolio is more extensive, then setting the baseline price at what may turn out to be a bargain rate, could potentially undermine his long term stakes. If there are significant renewals involved, this could actually be disastrous, as it could cost him both a few significant holdings and simultaneously affect the margins of his remaining portfolio. Significantly underselling could also effect his reputation, should a major increase in value be realized in a year or two as the media integration accelerates.

In evaluating these risks and relative positions, there is an incentive to aim for maximum value, which may in both cases outweigh the risks of a lower starting value.

As a high profile domainer, operating in relatively untested waters, the entire situation is interesting from a tactical and strategic perspective.

This may also just be a simple calibration test. By carefully controlling the number of offered domains, across a selected spectrum of types, the outcome is easier to gauge. That which actually sells, and who purchases it, will be revealing in its own way.

Another potential consideration is that this auction is a test of an alternative pricing structure to the renewal system. The actual value in the results may be in fact a test of or challenge to Verisigns premium structure.

There are a lot of possible motivations and considerations that may be taking place. I think it is worth pointing out that there are many possible reasons for this decision by Rick. The consensus of domainers appears to be that the price is beyond market threshold. This may or may not turn out to be true. The nature of the event is such that there may be highly interested and somewhat pre-sold end users present, as well as the typical speculators.

It will be interesting to watch.

The result will speak for itself.
 
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