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namepros has been taken over ..

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  1. Ategy

    Ategy NameCult.com Gold Account VIP

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    Sounds good in theory .. but the problem is that there are also self-inflating "like groups" as well .. go into the Meet and Greet section .. there are some who give "Likes" to the same people even if they post just one or two words .. but at the same time those same people don't give likes to people who actually engage or help the newcomer. It's pretty funny how obvious it is actually! lol

    I spend hours behind my daily auction lists that I share here at NamePros .. yet only get 0-2 likes per post on average out of well over 100 views, yet people get 6-7 likes for literally posting one word ... "welcome"! I'd say I don't care .. but the truth is that some people, particularly new members, could certainly see "likes" as credibility .. which is why I feel @NamePros should set a minimum character count in some sections before a post can be "liked" .. or better yet .. turn off likes in all sections that aren't focused specifically on domains.

    Can't say too much about that as I'm now on the Like leader board myself! lol .. Although I still want to see a character count leader board! Make it happen @NamePros !!! :)

    That's what she... ummm .. never mind! lol
     
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  2. Rob Monster

    Rob Monster CEO, Epik Epik.com Staff PRO Gold Account VIP

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    If you mean this thread:

    https://www.namepros.com/threads/if...scrow-you-are-wasting-time-and-money.1119508/

    As I recall, that post was part of a sponsorship deal. It was linked from a banner ad on Namepros. The banner campaign finished but the thread still exists. If has some meaty discussion.
     
  3. Internet.Domains

    Internet.Domains Top Member VIP

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    Oops, I need to be more eloquent with my wording. I didn't paint a a good picture....
     
  4. frank-germany

    frank-germany domainer since 2001 / musician Gold Account VIP

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    a LIKE to me is worth
    NOTHING

    a THANKS
    is what I appreciate
     
  5. Internet.Domains

    Internet.Domains Top Member VIP

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    I "liked" your post, for no other reason than you need a cyber hug.
     
  6. BaileyUK

    BaileyUK Top Member VIP

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    For me
    A 'Like' means agreement or appreciation
    Whereas
    A 'Thanks' is where I feel I've actually learnt something (or it's a personal thank you)

    So Not many thanks given out be me. I do agree about the Rob profile getting a bit out of hand, blimey wasn't it Religion that started to take over.(or was that Nigerians) I don't know because I stopped reading any of them. Still moving my names to Epik though, I can separate the two

    PS. I do wish Bob would add that occasional rider he uses "PS I know nothing about domains" to the top of his comments on domain investments though instead of at the bottom :joyful: However I have learnt to appreciate his rejigging of other peoples work and stats to create a more compressed analysis. Carry-on as always Bob :xf.grin: We can always disagree with your conclusions later

    Yeah that dot BEST BEAST has long gone, thank goodness - See we do gang-up for the good of the Board
     
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  7. Samer

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    if he stopped reading ur posts, it’s his loss :)
     
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  8. Mod Team Bravo

    Mod Team Bravo Moderator, NamePros Moderator PRO Gold Account VIP

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    Everything can be manipulated, but we try to make it more challenging.

    For example, we recently changed sorting by replies to exclude all replies from the thread creator. Now, when thread creators post 100 replies in their threads and other members only post 2 replies, their threads will be sorted as having 2 replies (and not 102 replies).

    We show that number under View Metrics on each thread if you're curious:
    • "Replies, excluding replies from the thread creator"

    This may be a bug where the widgets do not always take into consideration the Ignore list; we'll look into it.

    One day. :)

    But, there is little doubt that you're likely #1 in terms of a character count to posts ratio.

    Replies tend to take a lot more effort than any other type of interaction, reaction, or engagement with a thread, so we prefer to use this form of activity as the best metric for popularity.

    However, we do show many other sorted lists by metrics such as Likes+Thanks ("Favorites") on our Overview page:

    We've thought about doing that for reactions and post count, but we've decided to create new counters for posts and reactions within domain-specific sections. This way, there will be every-section totals (that's what we have now) and domain-centric totals. We'll then show the domain-centric totals next to members' posts and the every-section totals on member profiles. (This likely won't be finished anytime soon, but one day.)

    Yes, it was part of a paid promotion. When the promotion ended, moderators felt it should be organized under Reviews.

    We hope that helps.
     
  9. Ategy

    Ategy NameCult.com Gold Account VIP

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    @Mod Team Bravo ... I know it'll make it more complicated to moderate .. but it's just that sometimes I feel threads are too aggressively moved to the review section. Particuarly when it comes to things so broad like GoDaddy auctions where it literally affects more than 50% of domainers. Or even more when the registrar or service in question is discussed , but more as an example .. but because only that one example was given, the discussion is moved as a "review", even if it was not the intention.

    It wouldn't be so bad if moving the thread didn't mean the discussion effectively loses 80% of it's steam and almost no new people enter the conversation.

    What I used to do in my old forum was leave the ones that truly merited global attention .. then after the topic naturally started slowing down I'd move it yet still leave a forward/redirect so it still showed in the index of the original forum .. then I'd cleanup/delete the redirect after the topic dropped off the 1st or 2nd page.

    Again .. I appreciate the fact NP is huge and that judging which should stay and which shouldn't could be a challenge .. but that's where it helps having moderators who actually participate very actively in the forums. Sometimes at NP it feels like moderation is more police-like than it is leadership-like.

    I often times find myself wanting to write about something that is related to something that happened at a particular registrar, but with the focus of my intended discussion to be more about the issue/incident in question as opposed to the particular registrar or domain service .. but I just don't post those anymore because I know they will be moved and effectively mostly collect dust. (Thinking about it now, I don't even know where the review section is from the home page .. although I do admit I probably could find it quick if I wanted to)

    Again .. I appreciate it's not easy .. but just mentioning it here because we're talking about threads being moved ...
     
  10. Rob Monster

    Rob Monster CEO, Epik Epik.com Staff PRO Gold Account VIP

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    For the record:

    I like Nigerians -- we are hiring about 2 per month currently.

    The religious stuff I will tone down.

    And if the content bores you, sorry about that. I did post some stuff and they get some engagement. It is what it is. I will have less time for NP in the coming weeks so others will need to keep this place hopping!
     
  11. equity78

    equity78 Top Member TLDInvestors.com TheDomains Staff PRO Gold Account VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

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    There are a lot of things to unpack in this thread,

    First I will say, the mods should be on top of a post and making a reply on whether what's going on in a thread is ok, they can have a rubber stamp, copy and paste, something a long the lines of, "this post is well within the rules of namepros so no need to report it, it's allowed." So after the first report, they will not get repetitive reports taking up their time

    Like look I asked a question because all hell was breaking loose off Namepros https://www.namepros.com/threads/wh...e-offthehandle-katebuckley-situation.1163067/

    I asked what is the Namepros official position? @NamePros @Mod Team Echo @Mod Team Alfa @Mod Team Bravo Was the post in violation of a Namepros rule?

    The next day a friend texted me and said "I see they doxxed offthehandle on Twitter, will Namepros ban those people?" My reply hell if I know, open a thread and ask. Their reply, "f*ck NO!"

    Secondly your signature line should be used effectively to market if that is a goal here, so don't put your services in every post, I think Rob is trying to do both in my opinion, he is trying to give advice how he sees it, and he a lot of experience and I think he tries to help. He also wants people to use his company and their products, which makes sense, but a forum does have rules how much promotion in a discussion thread you have, and that can be tweaked.

    Thirdly, People are going to go after people they don't like, over 15 years here i have had people dm me asking if I could help, "Can you post against this member? "Dislike this post please"

    Here is another tidbit for the new or the old that are uninformed, there are spies here, and there are people here who don't like domainers, yes they belong to a domain forum and they don't like domainers. Some it's about morality others it's jealousy or they love being a troll. But there are members that will email a company letting them know that there is talk about a name that might violate their intellectual property. In a heated back and forth back in like 2009 I was asking someone who told me what they thought of domainers why are they on Namepros? I was like you are a domainer, "No Raymond I am not a domainer, call me anything you like but please never call me a domainer."

    There is a lot of petty stuff that goes on, I modded it for 12 years. At least with Rob and Frank here it's open and transparent, I respect someone saying I don't like this. It's the mods job to say if you don't like it you might need to move on or change your viewing habits if it's allowed here.

    @Ategy.com is correct that posts that get moved here or reviews do lose steam, except for those that go after Rob.

    There were people who used to report incomplete whois on other members back in the day.

    Look I spoke to someone on Saturday I haven't seen on here in awhile, they are like a 2006 join date, and I said why are you never on Namepros? I hate they allowed politics. I said I don't care for it either and avoid it, it's easy to avoid, (In 15 years I have spent 15 minutes in all breakroom threads) so just don't go to that section, the mods do a great job of keeping that out. Their reply was that they can see it on the sidebar and the very notion it exists made them leave namepros. Ok what can you do? And I am cool with this person, known them for years, hate political discussion more than they do but I respect it's in a section that I can avoid. Everyone is not going to get everything they want, this is not Twitter, or Facebook where, you are triggering me brah, I am offended brah, I am going to tweet about you and ruin your life brah, now your banned brah, gfy Brah.

    That's not what this place is you can't bully someone into silence (the day that happens the boycott should begin), when you get to a point there are too many allowed things you don't like, you have to leave.
     
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  12. Silentptnr

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    I've been a member of NamePros for 4 years. I don't have to say that I have been relatively active.

    Silentptnr - Member Since 2015 / 12,866 Posts / 34,081 Likes
    Rob Monster - Member Since 2011 / 2,564 Posts / 8,439 Likes
    Frank Germany - Member Since 2015 / 7,287 Posts / 9,068 Likes

    I don't see anything in those numbers that suggest Rob is flooding this forum that already has perhaps millions of posts. I don't see anyone "Taking Over" the forum. I appreciate Rob's posts as I do the posts of others.

    As for policing, I hold the position that yes, community watch is important, but let the management do the policing. It has been far too obvious that some members are put off by Rob to the detriment of otherwise insightful threads. It shouldn't be so obvious. It's just too easy to look the other way or find something else to read.

    As for marketing/advertising, Rob is the owner of Epik along with other assets. That's not a bad thing. It is what it is. He just needs to follow the same rules we all do and NamePros management has made it clear that they are working with Rob to be sure he doesn't accidentally or otherwise, break any rules.

    I have come to appreciate Rob's thoughtful, inclusive, open, go-getter, philosophical, rebel, personality. I also respect his accomplishments. We should all, always, try to be respectful.

    Namepros is not an easy crowd. I applaud his clear success at starting good conversations. He does that in real life too. :)
     
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  13. Rob Monster

    Rob Monster CEO, Epik Epik.com Staff PRO Gold Account VIP

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    Thanks for that.

    We have a lot going on. That's true. I believe we can help the industry re-ignite some growth engines that are dearly needed.

    The recent exchange with NameBio here shows that we can have some healthy banter and people bring their experiences and some folks bring their data. The tone is mostly civil.

    The linking to products or example is done in the context. We'll see if we can dial that back. Like I said elsewhere, some busy weeks ahead so will defer to others to keep NP exciting.

    Good luck! Will try to answer PMs asap.
     
  14. wwwweb

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    I have to say people are maybe being a bit harsh on Rob, as I don't see to many other CEO's spending their hours here trying to develop, and build products that try to help domainers expand their trade.

    The people who use Epik payment services tend to be very satisfied with the speed, and payout options provided, as an option to many other higher commission options.

    Epik seems to run a lot of promos offering to purchase domains for their projects exclusively thru the namepros channel.

    I see bogus wanted ads, or people selling .company, or robot domains for millions of dollars with constant daily bumps as more of an issue than an experienced ceo opening up topics, helping people close deals, and buying domains... You need people like this pushing the limits otherwise you will see what happens, when companies know you have lower priced options they have to stay in line, otherwise it is open season, and 30% commissions coming your way.

    I don't see many companies offering $5.99 unlimited transfers, that is free money, and if they do, these companies don't have the option where you can actively sell/lease your domain for basically nil commission.

    Epik is casuing a lot of much needed disruption in this space, this entire category talk is silly, it doesn't matter what category it is posted in, it is quite obvious the threads are creating engagement, questions, and conversation, all healthy for a forum.
     
  15. Silentptnr

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    I hope you can find a way to manage your busy weeks ahead and continue contributing as you have been.

    Best of luck friend
     
  16. Grilled

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    This thread title reminds me of the beginning of track #5 of the Space Jam sound track...



    Greetings Earthlings

    We have now taken over your radio...

    Edit

    Greeting Earthlings namePros

    We Rob have has now taken over your radio feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed...

    *head bangs*: not against a wall like :banghead: but head bangs like a long haired rocker 🤘
     
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  17. Domain_savvy

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    So those 'spies' i im guessing are TM lawyers who are looking to find thier next potential client. This is whole new information for me. We should be more careful with our names then.
     
  18. equity78

    equity78 Top Member TLDInvestors.com TheDomains Staff PRO Gold Account VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

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    No not necessarily, there are some people who look to be a thorn in the side of someone they don't like. Years ago someone was defending their right to a Fortune 500 company related domain I believe it was, and then another member posted they contacted the company to let them know.
     
  19. Silentptnr

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    I actually laughed hard reading your post. Especially about the old friend that left NP because he could see the side bar. Too funny.
     
  20. Grilled

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    Shame on Josh R. and Shane C.
     
  21. Silentptnr

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    I can see you didn't mean it to be funny, but I found it funny that a person would leave an entire community because of something in a sidebar. That the mere small box on the right side of the screen and the notion that a political thread existed was enough to cause them to not come back to such a resource I find comical.
     
  22. equity78

    equity78 Top Member TLDInvestors.com TheDomains Staff PRO Gold Account VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

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    Oh that part I found ridiculous, I agree. He found namepros ridiculous and left. But you said you laughed at the post especially that part is why I replied.
     
  23. Silentptnr

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    Ahh, sorry. I knew your post was serious. It was only that part that made me laugh. The rest wasn't funny. :)
     
  24. frank-germany

    frank-germany domainer since 2001 / musician Gold Account VIP

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    I don't have a problem with people explaining solutions to a problem
    and in case they offer a product to solve that issue
    I have no problem with them explaining it.

    For me, it's starting to become controversial
    when a problem is invented in order to gain new customers
    who didn't know they had that problem

    It's not an uncommon strategy.

    But when I come across, I feel the urge to interfere.

    For example:
    I may be uninformed, but for me, Cloudflare is a great company
    offering a fantastic service
    and when I follow them on twitter
    I think those are great people.

    Now somebody is coming here promoting an alternative service
    and talking about Cloudflare like they are sons of the evil
    and implying that somebody is uninformed and naive
    when he doesn't recognize it.



    For example:
    I know nothing about the escrow industry.

    But nowadays I get the feeling that I must have been lucky.

    I have always finalized my deals at escrow . com
    Maybe they had been better in the past.
    Maybe they grew and don't have the capacity to please everybody by now.

    I hear in this forum, that it is a bad idea to use them
    and I hear in this forum that epik has a greater escrow
    than anybody, though they are no escrow company in the first place.

    I was always fine with DANs escrow and with Sedos escrow too.

    Basically I don't have an escrow issue.


    For example:

    I didn't know I had not enough .orgs in my portfolio

    Luckily somebody informed me
    how to get them cheaply.


    and so on
     
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  25. biggie

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    Hi

    just like to say, for the record

    it's not personal against Rob. it's business
    as long as there is compliance, then I don't have any issues

    if I follow the posting rules as stated in the forums TOS, then I expect everyone else to abide accordingly.
    that's being professional first, and respectful, second.

    it's like having manners when you go to somebody else's house.
    you show respect for those that are there, in attendance.

    to me, it's the principle and in principle, it, the rules, should be adhered to.

    I think some are letting their admiration, blind them to such principles and ethics.

    as long as they are getting fed a steady diet of this and that, which engages their mind to think within the parameters set forth by the messenger... then they are content, with the content.

    but they are failing to see the promotional context, which is the intent of delivery.

    in an ideal situation, members should moderate themselves..
    however, it's good to see staff speak to this issue and hope they can provide clarity and guidance, as needed.

    again, it's not personal, it's business.

    imo...
     

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