LLLL.com Value Decreasing?

[DLarkin84]

Ok so everyone is always talking about how LLLL.com values are constantly increasing but does anyone think the value of them could ever decrease? Please list some reasons why you think LLLL.com's will continue to increase in value or why LLLL.com will eventually decrease in value.

 

[Hurley4540]

I hope these doesn't decrease! I want to get into the LLLL.com business!

 

[Basement]

I'm one of those who is in the process of getting burnt. I started domaining (I mean real domaining, not just flipping 2-3 names) in January and bought quite a few names when the prices were at their peak.

Not to say that I didn't make an ounce of profit, because I did. I flipped quite a few names for double of what I'd paid for them in just a couple of weeks.

Right now, I'm faced with renewing the lower-end names or just flipping them and thanks to Reece, I'd rather hold on to them for the long-term.

Just goes, to show how volatile the market is

 

[widedesigns]

For those who invest in Non-Pronounceable Quads and similar LLLL.coms in that range, its always good to have a "Plan B" unless you are a long term invester. If Plan A is to flip it for some profit soon, Plan B is to "develop" them. So while picking your names, do consider whether you can find some acronyms/uses for developing a site as a Plan B.

So initially execute Plan A (flipping) and if does not work out, fall back to plan B (developing).It need not be a full fledged site, mini-sites and blogs etc are perfectly fine.

Some of the LLLL.coms i have like CODH.com(call of duty hacks) ,DNMG.com ( Domain name magazine) , DNJN.com (domain name journal) were bought for flipping...but since the prices are coming down and i may not get the desired profit anytime soon , i can always develop them.

 

[-REECE-]

That's a good point Phil. I think I'm going to change my guide into just posting the minimum observed prices like Zesty does on 3Character -- I feel it's a better way to describe what's happening in the market and hard to argue with raw facts. Too many people have been using my guide for more than it was intended to be (just a guide) and I really don't like seeing sales threads (here and elsewhere) quoting my guide as why a paticular domain is only worth a particular amount, when in fact they're often worth double, triple, etc of what my guide suggests as the minimum wholesale on a particular type of LLLL.com.

Either that or the next guide is going to have a "these are suggested minimum wholesales, not what you should necessarily sell your domain for" printed in size 70 font

Depends how much you pay for them.

The general trend is up. I just see price fluctuations in recent months as noise. I certainly wasn't going to touch low grade LLLL.com at $54 in Feb. Personally, I think that your price guide draws too much on recent data. You need more months data to smooth out the noise. Missing Italian with this conversation. He brings with him experience in filtering out noisy price fluctuations as a stock market pro.

I miss Italian too, he always gives me heck when I'm too hard on the 4letter market

I think he's back in a week or so now? Will have to count the days as I'm eagerly awaiting his return as well. Great domainer and he does a lot of good things here and elsewhere that go unnoticed.

 

[Basement]

For those who invest in Non-Pronounceable Quads and similar LLLL.coms in that range, its always good to have a "Plan B" unless you are a long term invester. If Plan A is to flip it for some profit soon, Plan B is to "develop" them. So while picking your names, do consider whether you can find some acronyms/uses for developing a site as a Plan B.

So initially execute Plan A (flipping) and if does not work out, fall back to plan B (developing).It need not be a full fledged site, mini-sites and blogs etc are perfectly fine.

Some of the LLLL.coms i have like CODH.com(call of duty hacks) ,DNMG.com ( Domain name magazine) , DNJN.com (domain name journal) were bought for flipping...but since the prices are coming down and i may not get the desired profit anytime soon , i can always develop them.

Some excellent points there widesigns but Plan B doesn't always work out. Developing a domain takes a lot of time and you need to strike on the right idea. Here, we're dealing with domains not anything resembling a full-fledged site.

Developing a domain into a site just makes you feel better but unless the site is really good you'll just end up wasting your time just to calm yourself down.

 

[VURG]

Agreed Basement. I can't be bothered developing.

I hope these doesn't decrease! I want to get into the LLLL.com business!

Don't stress. Between $8-$10 million have been spent on these domain on just reg fees in the past 3 years. Most of the domains were first registered more than 2 years ago. The important thing is to know when to buy and when to sell. When everyone is overpricing the domains is the time to sell and when everyone is underpricing the domains is the time to buy.

 

[Andrei P.]

I hope these doesn't decrease! I want to get into the LLLL.com business!

I can confirm that some big guys are investing a lot into whole LLLL.com market including very low-end. They are doomed to be successful in a long run IMHO.

 

[Sufyan]

Agreed Basement. I can't be bothered developing.



Don't stress. Between $8-$10 million have been spent on these domain on just reg fees in the past 3 years. Most of the domains were first registered more than 2 years ago. The important thing is to know when to buy and when to sell. When everyone is overpricing the domains is the time to sell and when everyone is underpricing the domains is the time to buy.

Exactly. Now is the most horrible time to sell any decent LLLL.COMs.

I think it’s an excellent opportunity for those with deep pockets to put in lots of good LLLL.COMs to their portfolios and sit on them for a while to see a great ROI. imo

PS. I'm selling some of mine for a reason other than current market crash.

 

[anuj291]

I guess decrease in price has many factors... leaving the economy. we have to face the fact that not all the domainers are big time investors...and not all domainers have lot of cash ready to buy more and more...
I for example invested around $3k in LLLL.com domain in the past one month....
I bought triple premium domains from $30 to $50
i bought triple repeats from $300 to $600

But now i see so many domains out there that i really want to buy, but cant as i cant afford any more....
I have already renewed all my domains from triple/double premium to repeats.. and am waiting for 2009 or maybe even 2010...

PS::I got all my LLLL.coms in the past one month.. and now i have around 40 or
so....so i never bought any at the time they were sold at REG fee...

Lets hope all goes well and the market takes an upward trend........

 

[snoop]

Exactly. Now is the most horrible time to sell any decent LLLL.COMs.

I think it’s an excellent opportunity for those with deep pockets to put in lots of good LLLL.COMs to their portfolios and sit on them for a while to see a great ROI. imo

PS. I'm selling some of mine for a reason other than current market crash.

Personally I think prices still have a long way to fall, still think it is a good time to sell. I suspect there will be much better opportunities down the track than today. When the junky ones are closer to reg fee levels that will be the time to buy in my view.

But now i see so many domains out there that i really want to buy, but cant as i cant afford any more....

This is the "liquidity bind" that most will be in, prices are falling, people are taking losses, few have any money to buy even at lower prices. That is how it goes in a down market, it is a bit of a cleaning out process of the mistakes of the past really.

 

[DLarkin84]

Personally I think prices still have a long way to fall, still think it is a good time to sell. I suspect there will be much better opportunities down the track than today. When the junky ones are closer to reg fee levels that will be the time to buy in my view.



This is the "liquidity bind" that most will be in, prices are falling, people are taking losses, few have any money to buy even at lower prices. That is how it goes in a down market, it is a bit of a cleaning out process of the mistakes of the past really.

^^ I'm really glad I just started buying domains because I've been able to pick up some nice triple premium and quad premium dot com's for very low prices... It's a buyers market, sort of like the real estate market :hehe:

 

[theSun]

I am still buying a lot of LLLL.coms, and without a doubt, they will soon rise in value.

 

[ODST.com]

I agree I buy them up at any given opportunity. Think of it like real estate only each house has a different floor plan. The real estate market had its turn and with the saturation of the internet hosting a global audience the LLLL market has nothing but room to grow. It seems more lucrative than the housing market as well. It will be a story of the past people didn't believe in LL.com now look, people didn't believe in LLL.com now look, and people thought LLLL.coms would never get past regfee and now look. Aren't any of us learning from our mistakes?

 

[Basement]

I am still buying a lot of LLLL.coms, and without a doubt, they will soon rise in value.

That's what we're all hoping for . The only problem is that the market isn't exactly predictable right now, so it could turn out either way. As Reece and Lorenzo have said countless times, it will always pay off for long-term investors but not all of us have the time (or patience!!) to hold on to them.

I see myself as a short-term flipper not exactly a person who has the virtue of patience, so these times are even more challenging for me. The only thing we all have to keep in mind here is an emergency plan which lets us bail if things don't turn out as we want them to be.

 

[Idees]

If you think the 4L.com value is low now, just wait until renewal season comes.

 

[ODST.com]

If you think the 4L.com value is low now, just wait until renewal season comes.

Wasn't the registration of these spread out pretty evenly?

 

[Steven]

Wasn't the registration of these spread out pretty evenly?

As I remember, the number of LLLL.com being taken gradually increased from May, 2007 (Once again... as I remember)

Maybe wait until next April-May (2009)?

 

[ODST.com]

Does that make sense with the dates of the buyout?

 

[snoop]

people didn't believe in LL.com now look, people didn't believe in LLL.com now look,

I've read similar comments by a few people lately, I'm not sure where this stuff is coming from, I don't think either claim has any real truth to it.

 

[ODST.com]

So Snoop I have a question for you. If the market truly is to crash then what are new domainers to invest in? As far as my comment regarding the different letter trends and people not believing in them. There has been a buyout for everything correct? I'm sure if every one thought LLL.coms were the big thing back in the day ie. pre-buyout don't you think the first person to actually realize such a thing as LLL existed would have bought up the majority if not all? It's the simple law of supply and demand. The more people that enter the domaining market, the less options people have, the higher the price.