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Is the LLLL.com HYPE down now?
It looks like selling 4 letter is not as profitable as it was last week and right after november 2.

If some did a big investment on these I don't know if they are loosing money. Some have portfolio of hundreds LLLL.com that are not premium so if they spend $800.00 (register fees) how will they sell them all if there is no more buyers?

I know I have a solution (in my guide) but even this, I think that many will bite their fingers.

Do you think that 4 letter dot coms will increase value or will be selling at "wholesale" cheapest price ($6.00 - $16) in future?
 
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a lot of indians, asains and eastern europeans gracing these boards. $12 a hour is huge for them.
 
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VURG said:
a lot of indians, asains and eastern europeans gracing these boards. $12 a hour is huge for them.

A point well made! I stand corrected. The issue remains the same however. Don't price domains below your net cost plus burdened labor rate, whatever that rate may be.

Marc
 
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VURG said:
a lot of indians, asains and eastern europeans gracing these boards. $12 a hour is huge for them.

maybe, sort of - but keep in mind that while many in the developing countries earn less than $12/hr, there is also a small but significant percent of that population who enjoy a much higher standard of living - seems likely that most (though certainly not all) who have internet access would be used to earning more than a few $ per day or whatever the "average" per-capita income may be ... still $12/hr isn't too bad (also for students etc - beats working at McDonalds, and there's much better upside potential however much of a long-shot it may be - maybe not so much for the quick flips though still, if it's fun & educational, obviously plenty on this board see that rate of return as good enough to keep on going with it ...)

npcomplete said:
The issue remains the same however. Don't price domains below your net cost plus burdened labor rate, whatever that rate may be.

also the transaction fees through PayPal really take a huge bite percentage-wise, even more so at the $20 level ... :'(
 
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Yes, the hype has gone down. We aren't seeing 10 threads about LLLL.com domains on the 1st page anymore :hehe:
 
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Just keep your LLLL.coms for a couple years more and you will see how much its worth.. Just take it as a investment..take a small percentage of the money u have to invest in LLLL.coms ... EVerything in life is a bout risk ..nobody force you to dump all your money into LLLL.coms and get stuck financially..never put all your eggs into one basket remember..
i am very confident with LLLL.coms .i even acquire some good ones at low XXX .
 
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A large part of the hype imo, was connected to the very real possibility (now an actuality) that a very large ROI could be made easily by buying a name/s before the LLLL.coms ran out, or shortly thereafter. This has proven to have been worthy of said hype, as we see most LLLL.coms regged before November fetching ~ 2x regfee or more.


For a little over $10000, I was able to purchase 1546 LLLL.coms between August and November 2nd. To purchase those same 1546 LLLL.coms today would likely cost ~ $30,000 (if they were owned by a willing seller).

As far as the future is concerned, I guess what to do now really depends on how much you have invested in LLLL.coms...

I'm expecting a price increase of approximately 10% between now and January 2008. I'm fairly confident our min wholesale will have hit $15 by then (up from ~$10 now).

For many people, a 10% increase in the value of their LLLL.coms over 6 weeks would be insignificant.. I certainly wouldn't be looking to buy 1 or 2 LLLL.coms now so I could get a whopping 10% return in a couple months... :lol:

But... To us big holders, a small increase yields incredible results. A 10% increase in the value of my LLLL.coms come January would make me ~$3000. Don't know about you, but $3000/6 weeks is some pretty good cash :)

So it all really depends on where you stand... With many of the small timers getting out of LLLL.coms (they made their flips), logically, there will be less hype. Most of us bigger buyers are planning on buying more in the future (or right now) -- why would we hype it up and increase our costs in the process?

Like LLL.coms, we'll likely eventually see the majority of them in the hands of:

a) endusers
b) domain name investment companies (like BuyDomains)
c) professional domainers

An enduser isn't going to resell the name. A company like BuyDomains likely won't either - or at least, not for a long, long time, and a professional domainer will wait for the right offer to come around... The one thing these 3 have in common is that none of them need to hype up LLLL.coms... The enduser is just happy to have the name he/she wanted. The domain name investment company may very well buy more of these names if they have a positive experience with them and aren't looking to resell these to mini-domainers anyway -- hence no reason to hype LLLL.coms up. The professional domainer is just that... A professional. He knows very well what his stock is worth and will sell when he believes the time is right. No reason to hype up the market here -- if he's holding the names, it's because he anticipates future increases in the value of his holdings.

If you look around the forum, it's not too hard to see who's selling and who's not. I haven't seen many "selling 300+ LLLL.com" threads. IMO, people holding less than 300 LLLL.coms regged in 2007 should be coined as casual investors/name flippers*. These guys took a risk, but it wasn't all that great of a risk. They didn't "put their money where their mouth was" in other words.

*I'm not saying this to insult people from third world countries, high school students, college students, those of you who can't get a full time job, etc. Many of you are no doubt very serious about your holdings and treat them just as us larger holders treat ours..

But, for the most part, it isn't my asterisked friends doing the selling - it's domainers who make their money by hedging their risk through flips. Nothing wrong with that... But the time for flips has come and gone -- and so has this group of domainers (on to other things) for the most part.

Time to sit down, have some popcorn, and enjoy the show :tu:
 
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Reece said:
A large part of the hype imo, was connected to the very real possibility (now an actuality) that a very large ROI could be made easily by buying a name/s before the LLLL.coms ran out, or shortly thereafter. This has proven to have been worthy of said hype, as we see most LLLL.coms regged before November fetching ~ 2x regfee or more.


For a little over $10000, I was able to purchase 1546 LLLL.coms between August and November 2nd. To purchase those same 1546 LLLL.coms today would likely cost ~ $30,000 (if they were owned by a willing seller).

As far as the future is concerned, I guess what to do now really depends on how much you have invested in LLLL.coms...

I'm expecting a price increase of approximately 10% between now and January 2008. I'm fairly confident our min wholesale will have hit $15 by then (up from ~$10 now).

For many people, a 10% increase in the value of their LLLL.coms over 6 weeks would be insignificant.. I certainly wouldn't be looking to buy 1 or 2 LLLL.coms now so I could get a whopping 10% return in a couple months... :lol:

But... To us big holders, a small increase yields incredible results. A 10% increase in the value of my LLLL.coms come January would make me ~$3000. Don't know about you, but $3000/6 weeks is some pretty good cash :)

So it all really depends on where you stand... With many of the small timers getting out of LLLL.coms (they made their flips), logically, there will be less hype. Most of us bigger buyers are planning on buying more in the future (or right now) -- why would we hype it up and increase our costs in the process?

Like LLL.coms, we'll likely eventually see the majority of them in the hands of:

a) endusers
b) domain name investment companies (like BuyDomains)
c) professional domainers

An enduser isn't going to resell the name. A company like BuyDomains likely won't either - or at least, not for a long, long time, and a professional domainer will wait for the right offer to come around... The one thing these 3 have in common is that none of them need to hype up LLLL.coms... The enduser is just happy to have the name he/she wanted. The domain name investment company may very well buy more of these names if they have a positive experience with them and aren't looking to resell these to mini-domainers anyway -- hence no reason to hype LLLL.coms up. The professional domainer is just that... A professional. He knows very well what his stock is worth and will sell when he believes the time is right. No reason to hype up the market here -- if he's holding the names, it's because he anticipates future increases in the value of his holdings.

If you look around the forum, it's not too hard to see who's selling and who's not. I haven't seen many "selling 300+ LLLL.com" threads. IMO, people holding less than 300 LLLL.coms regged in 2007 should be coined as casual investors/name flippers*. These guys took a risk, but it wasn't all that great of a risk. They didn't "put their money where their mouth was" in other words.

*I'm not saying this to insult people from third world countries, high school students, college students, those of you who can't get a full time job, etc. Many of you are no doubt very serious about your holdings and treat them just as us larger holders treat ours..

But, for the most part, it isn't my asterisked friends doing the selling - it's domainers who make their money by hedging their risk through flips. Nothing wrong with that... But the time for flips has come and gone -- and so has this group of domainers (on to other things) for the most part.

Time to sit down, have some popcorn, and enjoy the show :tu:

I don't totally agree with you, and you will understand why. You said :
a) endusers
b) domain name investment companies (like BuyDomains)
c) professional domainers
These are your "customers", do you think that any of these 3 will buy 4 letter domains that are low quality? No way! It's not because you have 1500, 2000 or more LLLL.com that you can make cash. I can imagine that you can have a small percent in these that are valuable and can be profitable for you but don't say that all 4 letter are increasing in value. NO, NO NO.
Low quality ones like fzqd.com.... will be selling at low just like any dot com.
It's false to think that you can make money from these.

Honestly, I prefer to buy 3 or 4 Premium LLLL.com domains for $10000 than 1500+
 
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4letter said:
I don't totally agree with you, and you will understand why. You said :
a) endusers
b) domain name investment companies (like BuyDomains)
c) professional domainers
These are your "customers", do you think that any of these 3 will buy 4 letter domains that are low quality? No way! It's not because you have 1500, 2000 or more LLLL.com that you can make cash. I can imagine that you can have a small percent in these that are valuable and can be profitable for you but don't say that all 4 letter are increasing in value. NO, NO NO.
Low quality ones like fzqd.com.... will be selling at low just like any dot com.
It's false to think that you can make money from these.

Honestly, I prefer to buy 3 or 4 Premium LLLL.com domains for $10000 than 1500+

I read the same arguments in the aftermarket forum for LLL, hell I ranted myself against the idea that random bad combo should have any serious value. The horror that anybody should cash in! The horror!
 
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www.eaqg.org

Plenty of endusers for names with 1 bad letter.. I have about 800 names like this one (I own the .com).


'nuff said :hehe:
 
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Looks like Hype is not yet ended, I've seen a lot of wanted LLLL.com on Namepros "Domain name Wanted" and for sale on "Auction" threads today.
 
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Hype?

The people who call it Hype should really go to play Bingo with the elderly people.

Rather , I think, there are people that try to spread fear in the hope to buy cheap....just like it happens in the stock market , where they call it "rumours".

I won`t write much more but if anyone is DESPERATE TO SELL , then please just send me your names with their DESPERATE prices , I`m constantly buying LLLL.com :)
 
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cache said:
We need to continue to hype the price. Don't let the price drop!!!

I am offering min price of $150 for the premium LLLL:

http://www.namepros.com/domain-names-wanted/395634-premium-llll-com-names-min-150-a.html

Threads like that really aren't necessary. Plus, if you aren't actually capable of following through with that commitment (that's a potential $1mm+), it makes all investors in LLLL.coms seem a bit shady.

Prices will go up if the demand is there. No need to hype things up. The best growth is sustainable growth. It'll come around... Some of you just need to adopt a 4-5 year game plan like I have :)
 
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Reece said:
Threads like that really aren't necessary. Plus, if you aren't actually capable of following through with that commitment (that's a potential $1mm+), it makes all investors in LLLL.coms seem a bit shady.

Prices will go up if the demand is there. No need to hype things up. The best growth is sustainable growth. It'll come around... Some of you just need to adopt a 4-5 year game plan like I have :)


I really hope you plan to keep for 4 to 5 years. That's an up-front capital commitment of 50k+. That's a long time IMO and the ROI may or may not be there.
 
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italiandragon said:
Hype?
Rather , I think, there are people that try to spread fear in the hope to buy cheap....just like it happens in the stock market , where they call it "rumours".

I don't think that they have a strategy to buy. What I think they are hoping is for LLLL.com names to be dumped/dropped so that they can say 'I told you so'. They had an opportunity to join the party but didn't join. So now they are slinging mud from the sidelines.
 
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:yell: The Hype is dead ... Long live the Hype ! :laugh:

it just quieted down for a while while those of us who stayed up late nights for the last 3 weeks first regging and then wheeling and dealing finally took a break to eat and sleep for a few days ....

I won't pretend to know how it's all going to play out (many unforeseen factors always potentially in play at some point) but I came into the LLLL market as an end user looking to pick up whatever possibly workable combo I could still find for my own enjoyment in the years to come - not totally satisfied with any that I found still available in September but on the other hand surprised to find that I could hand-reg even a few half-decent ones. I started to check DYYO regularly, saw the trend, "calculated" (okay, guessed) odds around 50/50 for minimum price of at $40 and up within a year - which supported a no-brainer "buy" decision for anything at reg fee up to $20 ....

It's a bit of a gamble to be sure, but the potential upside returns of maybe 400% profit over the next year or 2 is good enough to balance the 50% chance of saying good-bye to a few $1000 of "risk capital" if it turns out my estimatie of demand for XYZQ over the next few years was just pie in the sky. :'(

... And in the meantime, I've managed to pick up a few more "better" names for my original goal of staking my claim as an end-user with a semi-respectable LLLL.com of my own - so my grandkids will know that gampa was a playa back when the net was still young ... which I'd probably have to end up shelling out $xxxx for if I waited to try to buy them down a few years down the road.

Anyway, agreed -> ixnay on the ype-hay, hush yo mouth while we're still buying (and I'll even be selling a few cheap here and there while I'm at it, just for cover...!) :sold:
 
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4letter said:
Z Y B U . C O M - Premium Pronounceable, brandable and memorable 4 Letter dot com

We meet at last! So your the one who overbid me on that ebay auction...
:yell: :'( :hehe:
 
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Yup its down, its over, 4 letter domains are now worthless, no one uses the internet anymore, I heard looking out of your beroom window is the next big thing!
 
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raredn.com said:
Yup its down, its over, 4 letter domains are now worthless, no one uses the internet anymore, I heard looking out of your beroom window is the next big thing!

lol.....that surely must be true being told from a successful LLLL.com seller :)

Let me go to look out of the window.... :hehe:
 
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See thats two of looking out of our bedroom windows, soon evybody will be doing it once word gets around, domain names will be a thing of the past! he he
 
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