.tv Is a 10k .tv sale something special?

[gr8trfoo]

This is a thread in response to an alleged report of 3 10k+ sales and more specifically the commentary therein that there is "no stopping .tv" and "naysayers are full of shit".

http://www.namepros.com/423232-report-tv-sales-here-32.html#post4302147

I just sold, Eyecare.tv and Medico.tv for $20,000 ($10,000 each name) Also, sold another .tv for mid-5 figure recently but NDA. Been in .tv since 2000 and the offers and sales are amazing. No stopping .tv and the "naysayers" are full of shit, they don't know what there talking about!

Well when it comes to certain popular opinions about .tv I'm one of those naysayers now. I didn't start out as one. In fact by 2008 I'd probably invested more money in the ext than most people here hope to make. I still hold a rather sizable portfolio (1000+ names) though I'm not accepting offers for the vast majority of those.

During the time I held a substantial .tv portfolio for sale I rarely recived an inquiry let alone made a sale. All the while my .com's did great (as usual). I do find it very interesting that so many reports of sales are vague and cant be fully disclosed due to "NDA". I've sold at least a thousand .com's and maybe only a handful of times was there a demand that there be no disclosure.

In my opinion a 10k sale is puny. It would hardly rate a mention in .com because sales like that happen all the time there. Here they are the rare exception and merit a vigorous round of crowing from the gallery.

It wasnt long ago that for about year you couldnt hardly even sell a .tv name. There's been a regular boom and bust cycle in this ext and right now it looks like we're in the boom again. Now some would say that its only UP from here and that would be great if its true. But I would strongly caution those considering investment to tread carefully and keep in mind that despite the present exuberance the most likely next step based on past results is not even more and greater sales but rather an extended period of low-to-no sales.

I think .tv is attractive to many who feel priced out of the .com market. They see an attractive single term .tv selling for much less than what a 2 or 3 term .com might go for and think "this could be a great bargain" and that if the market for these turns around or if the public starts adopting .tv then they'll stand to make a ton of money on the flip. Then reports like eyecare.tv come in and they say YeaHHHHHH! and jump in with both feet only to discover later that there one-term .tv is no eyecare and the offers arnt as amazing as they'd hoped.

Dont get me wrong - I do love .tv names! I wouldnt be holding on to so many if I didn't. Just not for resale.!! In my experience they are pitiful investments. They could be great if you have a need to brand something to do with video but other than that is a big speculation.

My best advice for those looking to make good $$ in domaining - look to the .com drops! Its really no secret anymore. There are tons of great names being dropped. And if you have a little bit more cash to spend and want to make an absolute killing - buy auction names off Sedo and NameJet!!! I have no problem picking up scores there every week and offers do roll in pretty regular. Just .com though! Ignore everything but the good .com's and I can practically guarantee you'll make 2-3 times as much money in half the time as you will screwing around with non-.com's of any kind. .me/.co/.tv/.etc these are all great if you have a need to build a site and want a different name, but companies with cash still want .com more than anything.

 

[DnEbook]

.Com .....Global
Cctld ....Local
.Tv ......Visual

....easy

 

[richface]

Just my opinion

AllThings.tv, I said "some" not all and I agree same could be said in many extensions But I don't want to go into specifics and upset anyone so lets just take it as my opinion only.

Just remember the same could be said of any extension especially where there are 100X more that could theoretically be made. Some say this thinking could apply equally if not more so to new extensions and old, like .co, .com, .mobi.

It is a rumor with no fact. I have seen NDAs, I have even seen screenshots from Escrow.com of a 6 figure sale. Could someone go to great length to fabricate something? Definitely, but it is unlikely that multiple people would conspire with each other without communicating directly about their intent. Unless of course you want to argue that people are conspiring or colluding to prop up the .tv extension in which case...why now? Why not 10 years ago?

Perhaps it is just that we are seeing awareness of extensions beyond .com take root and .TV's logical fit with the Internet is just coming into focus at the present time for a much larger audience. It doesn't hurt that demand for .com is high and supply is low. I will continue to say if all extensions were launched as if the Internet started today, .TV would be in the top 5 and we wouldn't even be having this discussion. In the long run, .TV wins. The issue is that nobody knows when the long run comes to fruition whereas .COM is touted as a great bet for both the short and long term.

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Spell it out Fin. Tell me the names you invested in .COM and how much of a return you generated on your investment. I think .COM has its place and I realize that the # of domainers consuming domains can absorb a lot of supply. Are you buying and selling for 10, 20, 30, 50%? Who are you selling these to? Other domainers? Who often are you buying and selling?

I think you can eek out a living in domaining but it is tough to do much more. That is why we don't see a lot of people doing it but it appears to be a good hobby for the rest who enjoy making some side cash.



Perhaps, you may be sensitive because you have lost a lot in .TV speculation and you feel the need to discourage others from investing in the extension altogether even though you, by your own admission "should have invested in the ones that have traffic" when someone in this thread said, "fin you just invested in the wrong tv names."



In the same way you argue that those who speak about their .TV experiences stand to gain by alleged attempts at so-called boosterism, the same argument can be made against you in that you stand to gain if you are invested in .com and you dissuade people from investing in .TV.

If you believe a few parties have enough influence to manipulate the market for .TV names, then I'd like to know what facts you base your conclusion. In so far as this argument has been made in the past, no evidence has come to light, leaving it a rumor that gets pushed out there at least once a year by those who generally have lost money in the extension.



Since when is speculation not speculation? If it is not guaranteed, then it is speculation. Plain and simple.



And if a domainer would not respect or appreciate what you are doing, then it sounds illegal or a bad idea, or possibly both.



Well, I am not really a domainer. I am more of a developer/investor. It sounds like what you are doing is a bad idea and that you will continue to lose money in .TV following such a path. But that is my opinion and I respect that people find new ways to make money from completely asinine ideas or ideas already done by others who come before them.



WOW?!?!? Really? I mean please provide me with a link where i am the one promoting propaganda that claims you can make solid money in .TV. It does not exist.



Hmm, well, I am not a .tv millionaire and I doubt there will be any in the near future.



See that is the classic response when your argument has been weakened. I never said .TV is overall a better source of income and profit than .com. I don't think the jury is out on that one, but I know that I believe there is more opportunity in .COM especially since public awareness of the extension still increases.



The market for .TV domains fluctuates just like .COM. Both are also affected by the economy. So to imply that the fluctuations seen in .TV are primary caused by the nature of the extension isn't completely accurate in the slightest and is quite misleading.



I don't really understand your question. Would you mind rephrasing it?

 

[gr8trfoo]

Has finster become Snoopy's evil twin ???

.....we may never know !

maybe finster always was snoop

 

[freedom30]

maybe finster always was snoop

...I find alter egos fascinating...It is of no doubt to me that finny appears to be the more intelligent of the two...

 

[DU]

...I find alter egos fascinating...It is of no doubt to me that finny appears to be the more intelligent of the two...

They do both invest in .TV...

 

[freedom30]

They do both invest in .TV...

...yes "they" do, one covertly and one begrudgingly...

 

[gr8trfoo]

Perhaps, you may be sensitive because you have lost a lot in .TV speculation and you feel the need to discourage others from investing in the extension altogether even though you, by your own admission "should have invested in the ones that have traffic" when someone in this thread said, "fin you just invested in the wrong tv names."

and since there are (virtualy) no .tv names with traffic i guess that means i never should have bought in at all. actually i meant that more as a joking reply.

look i am not crying about money lost. i took my chances and am glad i did. win or lose it was my chance and i own that.

what prompted me to begin this thread was the comment a member made about how the "naysayers are full of shit" and "nothing will stop .tv". thats a load of crap plain and simple. .tv is a highly speculative, very risky ext to put money into. 10k and even 50k sales dont change that.

he also talked about the money he's made and the amazing offers he regularly gets. ok, maybe he does, but his experience is the least likely to be typical. so i decided to speak up and offer the contrary view. its not the first time i've done so nor is it the first time members have sold the blue sky either.

In the same way you argue that those who speak about their .TV experiences stand to gain by alleged attempts at so-called boosterism, the same argument can be made against you in that you stand to gain if you are invested in .com and you dissuade people from investing in .TV.

yeahhhhhhhh. does .com really need any boosting, let alone the spit in the ocean my 2 cents amounts to?

Well, I am not really a domainer. I am more of a developer/investor. It sounds like what you are doing is a bad idea and that you will continue to lose money in .TV following such a path. But that is my opinion and I respect that people find new ways to make money from completely asinine ideas or ideas already done by others who come before them.

i thought you were a lawyer.

whatever the merits of my idea it was mine and i committed to it. i dont belive it was "bad". very risky perhaps - in so many ways, but not bad.

If you believe a few parties have enough influence to manipulate the market for .TV names, then I'd like to know what facts you base your conclusion.

roflmao

Since when is speculation not speculation? If it is not guaranteed, then it is speculation. Plain and simple.

hmmm. a couple of months ago when i said that buying .tv was speculation some here vigorously argued that it was investment. its nice that we dont disagree on everything.

WOW?!?!? Really? I mean please provide me with a link where i am the one promoting propaganda that claims you can make solid money in .TV. It does not exist.

you provide a platform for those who do.

See that is the classic response when your argument has been weakened. I never said .TV is overall a better source of income and profit than .com. I don't think the jury is out on that one, but I know that I believe there is more opportunity in .COM especially since public awareness of the extension still increases.

how has my argument weakened? on the contrary i think you have instead established that we are in agreement.

bottom line, if you have a lot of excess capital to speculate with and like .tv then by all means jump in. theres a good chance you'll lose a lot before you ever make any - IF you ever make any.

but if you dont have a lot to risk then maybe .com is a better place to take your chances.

in either case one needs to be astute and careful in the domain game.

good luck to all!

 

[DnEbook]

maybe finster always was snoop

........that would mean i have meet you ???