.tv DomainFest regarding .TV

[discovernow]

Hello Everybody,

Just got back from DomainFest in Los Angeles and as expected .tv get's no respect. It's like it does not even exist. That is OK, in 2004 when I went to a domain conference my spanish .com's got no respect by so called experts and now they are doing very well.

The mind set of many domainers are stuck in the "what was" or "what is" and not "what will be". As dot .tv (ers), we need to focus on the what "will be" and I believe .tv is the what "will be".

I was suppose to meet with Verisign but they did not show up at the conference. . Chris Sheridan who is a great guy who handles the premiums for .tv was there and was going to set up a meeting with me, him, and verisign and Chris is on our side regarding changes in .tv.

I had lunch with Ron Jackson of DNJournal.com and asked Ron why does .tv seem to get no respect and not even mentioned. He stated what many others say the same, the #1 reason is because of the premium renewals prices. I told Chris Sheridan this and he agreed. If .tv would charge maybe 3-5 years upfront for premiums and than make it $25 a year after that than you will see .tv explode in the domain community.

Also, as I hear a guy from .mobi on the panel discussion talking about .mobi and even seeing .travel people there talking about how great they are, it really makes me sick that Verisign is not present as a sponsor nor having any panel speakers regarding .tv. Some extensions take off all because of marketing, and where the "hell" is the marketing from Verisign for .tv.

I am going to continue to push both Enom/Verisign to show up at these conferences as a sponsor, have panel speakers talk about .tv at these conference, and what is there "game plan" regarding marketing .tv and there pricing structure as well for .tv.

Now why would Verisign care what I think? We'll I am one of the biggest promoters and have a large premium collection of .tv and been investing in .tv since 2000 and they know that. According to Chris Sheridan, they are willing to meet and talk to me and disclose these issues I have addressed.
We will see, because action is louder than words and I am going to keep bugging them.

Bottom line, what I am saying here is what I am seeing in the United States.
.TV in my opinion is going to explode no matter what people say within the next couple years. I know we talked about this before and it's been very frustrating but I feel we all need to really put the "heat" on Verisign/Enom
about issues regarding .tv. That includes e-mails, phone calls, etc. Keep pushing on what changes us .tv(ers) would like to see made. With the economy doing very bad, I think the timing for them to make changes and hear us out is a lot better now than ever before.

Thanks, Jim

 

[mckennaronnie]

Great work Jim, your a real asset to .tv

 

[jeffoverman]

great post jim and we all greatly appreciate your hard work and knowing contacts...thanks so much in your post..

i agree on things and your a valuable part of .tv and plus your the spanish .tv king holder and now one of the top geo.tv owners here.

i worked some ot and need to catch some sleep before game day...

 

[lambda]

Great! I am pleased to hear what you do for .tv and I hope for you and all of us, that the pricing schema and perception for .tv will change. Yes, we can

 

[bigdipper]

.TV in my opinion is going to explode no matter what people say within the next couple years.

i couldn't agree more.

.tv makes far too much sense for too many reasons - for it not to be wildly popular at some point in the next few years.

 

[freedom30]

I agree, Jim, great and informative post.

Let us allow those who wish to stay in the 20th century do so.

As the future of the internet-HDTV-mobile evolution unfolds, .TV will make its presence known to those living and functioning in this century. It is really as simple as that.

 

[dcmike77]

.TV in my opinion is going to explode no matter what people say within the next couple years.

I DISAGREE.

How many times have I heard this?? You've been buying .tvs since 2000 and I bet you've been saying that ever since - Just two more years, and it's gonna take off... And now your telling us it's losing steam and you still believe that???

.tv is like a tree falling and no ones around to hear it. It's happening and yet it's not making any noise - and you can wait our entire life before anything worthwhile happens.

Plan on Verisign never changing .tvs business model. They clearly aren't interested in doing anything about it, so let's stop expecting it to ever change. And now look at what you've got in your portfolio - a bunch of high-renewal (or uncertain renewals) names that don't get natural traffic and the renewals may go up for any reason. Sounds grrrreeaat...

I think .tvs are COOL, but that's it. And be realistic, in 2 to 3 or 5 or 10 years, don't expect any changes


-Mike

 

[jeffoverman]

.tv is here folks and things are improving for all of us

I DISAGREE.

How many times have I heard this?? You've been buying .tvs since 2000 and I bet you've been saying that ever since - Just two more years, and it's gonna take off... And now your telling us it's losing steam and you still believe that???

.tv is like a tree falling and no ones around to hear it. It's happening and yet it's not making any noise - and you can wait our entire life before anything worthwhile happens.

Plan on Verisign never changing .tvs business model. They clearly aren't interested in doing anything about it, so let's stop expecting it to ever change. And now look at what you've got in your portfolio - a bunch of high-renewal (or uncertain renewals) names that don't get natural traffic and the renewals may go up for any reason. Sounds grrrreeaat...

I think .tvs are COOL, but that's it. And be realistic, in 2 to 3 or 5 or 10 years, don't expect any changes


-Mike

 

[discovernow]

I DISAGREE.

How many times have I heard this?? You've been buying .tvs since 2000 and I bet you've been saying that ever since - Just two more years, and it's gonna take off... And now your telling us it's losing steam and you still believe that???

.tv is like a tree falling and no ones around to hear it. It's happening and yet it's not making any noise - and you can wait our entire life before anything worthwhile happens.

Plan on Verisign never changing .tvs business model. They clearly aren't interested in doing anything about it, so let's stop expecting it to ever change. And now look at what you've got in your portfolio - a bunch of high-renewal (or uncertain renewals) names that don't get natural traffic and the renewals may go up for any reason. Sounds grrrreeaat...

I think .tvs are COOL, but that's it. And be realistic, in 2 to 3 or 5 or 10 years, don't expect any changes


-Mike

Mike,

My ROI on .tv has done very well for me. I get over 200 type-ins a day on Pornografia.tv some days and it's a non-premium. I can sell many of my .tv's right now for 10x what I paid for them. For example, Religion.tv-$500 premium, been offered $20,000. Actor.tv, $500 premium, been offered $15,000. Espanol.tv been offered $20,000. That is $49,000 profit while total invested about $6,000. Don't need to sell low right now. Do you need about 30 more examples as well with .tv???

 

[jeffoverman]

yeah .tv is just falling apart lol....

 

[boboski]

I had high hopes for .tv and have let some expire but holding on to a few for the long term. I agree, we are getting no respect and you would think after all this time, .tv would be highly popular as video is going on the web Big Time. Still holding some but not with the initial enthusiasm I had 3-4 years ago.

 

[chillking]

Alls you see on the tv is donations adverts i think the premium renewals prices are a joke they want $10,000 a year for charity.tv http://www.enom.com/domains/dotTV.asp?domain=charity.tv i think this is why people will not invest its pointliss i have Donations.tv that costs $30 renewal .

 

[xoze]

Alls you see on the tv is donations adverts i think the premium renewals prices are a joke they want $10,000 a year for charity.tv http://www.enom.com/domains/dotTV.asp?domain=charity.tv i think this is why people will not invest its pointliss i have Donations.tv that costs $30 renewal .

I myself do not know why people charge such a funny renewals fees on some names .tv ?
All names are fair , the problem is that who come first and who come later. I myself own a good .tv for $30 yearly only also.

 

[jeffoverman]

we have a lot of members here that are clueless what .tv stands for and people i hardly see on the .tv board.

go over to the uk market and tell us all how .tv failed. countries and media love .tv and gaining ground. usa is slowly getting there as well but .tv is the new media generation.

wake up folks!!

 

[equity78]

Jim I think you are confusing DCmike77 with Mike031

 

[discovernow]

Jim I think you are confusing DCmike77 with Mike031

My mistake. It's Mike031 who many of us at Namepros.com has exposed as a big fraud and it's my fault getting it confused. My apologies to DCmike77 regarding that.

With that being said, DCmike77 has a right to any opinion he wants and maybe his situation has not been good with .tv and may be bitter because of that. That is his problem and I am glad I don't take advice from guys like DCMike77.

Thanks, Jim

 

[Len]

I love it when people say there is no future in .tv..........Keep on believing that boy's.....just leaves more out there for me!

I have made more money from .tv's than any other ext I own.... I only came into the domaining game about 3 yrs ago and was lucky that I had the opportunity to purchase some really good .tv domains that were available at reg fee. These domains have made me a nice profit, had I spent the same amount on .com, net, org etc I would be lucky to have made enough to pay the renewals!

Great keywords will make you money in any ext...... it really puzzles me as to why some cannot get their heads around that!

The facts speak for themselves, I have made money on every .tv sale whether it be $60 or $4000 and these have just been raw domains.......No website, no development whatsoever.
I'm 100% sure that I would have made much, much more had they been developed.

 

[gr8trfoo]

Thanks for the report, Jim!

I had lunch with Ron Jackson of DNJournal.com and asked Ron why does .tv seem to get no respect and not even mentioned. He stated what many others say the same, the #1 reason is because of the premium renewals prices. I told Chris Sheridan this and he agreed. If .tv would charge maybe 3-5 years upfront for premiums and than make it $25 a year after that than you will see .tv explode in the domain community.

Or simply auctioned them off.

That would still leave the problem of outstanding premium names. Maybe they could simply grant those owners grace and reduce the renewal fee to standard.

Its amazing how confusion over premium status and rates ,that only affects a small number of names (<100,000 total I believe), has undermined the sales volume and resale value for the whole domain. This should be a classic "dont do this" textbook case.

I am going to continue to push both Enom/Verisign to show up at these conferences as a sponsor, have panel speakers talk about .tv at these conference, and what is there "game plan" regarding marketing .tv and there pricing structure as well for .tv.

I was talking with Paul Stahura and others last week that they should go to the upcoming NAB show in Vegas and more shows where television and entertainment professionals are gathered. I dont care if they never make it to a domainer's show. For the most part domainers arnt going to be the force that grows the TLD. In fact the more domainers that pile along for the ride the more likely it is to stifle longterm sustainable growth. Right now this is not a domain that suffers from over-speculation.

If we can see an explosion in end users taking up the name greatly increased type-ins will follow and when that happens most of us will care less if we ever sell another .tv from our portfolios. Why sell the cow when you can make a fortune from the milk?

I love it when people say there is no future in .tv..........Keep on believing that boy's.....just leaves more out there for me!

You are so right. I really need to lay off Snoop when he comes bouncing around here with his domm and gloom.

Maybe I'll PM him and tell him I've changed my mind and am letting all my .tv's drop forever.

 

[Makis.TV]

One of my greek spelling .tv domains gets type in traffic about 30 uniques per day and makes about 0.50 cents revenue(parked with bodis)
If a greek spelling .tv domains gets that type in revenue then i m sure english ones can fetch a lot more.

.TV is held back by many reasons but their reselling value from domainers to domainers is affected from premiums that is obvious. If you feel that your domains are targeted only to domainers then .tv is not for you, if you are looking for end users or you want to be an end user .tv domain with so many great keywords available with a low price is the extension that fits the best after .com
In fact i feel many companies try to get their .com domain on .tv as well so they can show their media profile.

 

[equity78]

30 a day is nice for a Greek .tv.