If Estibot gave you a $2200 appraisal, would you buy a .com?

[treebytheriver]

I'm not sure how much I rely on estibot...... the price for me would be reg fee to buy....

thanks in advance

 

[nicedomains]

I'm not sure how much I rely on estibot...... the price for me would be reg fee to buy....

thanks in advance

It depends, what does your gut tell you? One word, two, three words? Do the words sound good together or are they akward or backward sounding? Sometimes estibot will give high appraisals for two words that are related to each other but don't necessarily sound good together. ie... shopsmoke.com or couchesleather.com (just examples). I do really like estibot and use it daily for estimating value of certain domains. Estibot also gives great information like pr, max ppc bid, backlinks, overture, and much more. I think it is safe to say if estibot says $2200 and it's available at reg fee rice range it may be worth it to give it a shot. :tu:

 

[treebytheriver]

@nicedomains, thanks for the quick reply, it is two words very generic but yes a bit backwards as you were stating, all other extensions are taken....

 

[raredn.com]

Hi treebytheriver, could you please post the name here after you register it, I am curious what this name that was 'available to register' was

Thanks from Josh

 

[jehnidiah]

I pay close to zero attention to estibot prices, personally. So, it'd depends on a ton of other things whether or not I'd buy the domain.

 

[Spade]

Estibot is a tool. When used as a tool, its perfect. The problem is some people use it as the Bible - and thats the wrong way to go. Estibot helps you analyze if a domain could have value, it does its best to make a possible valuation, but nothings perfect.

Odds are, youve found a domain that estibot values high because of some or a few metrics. The domain probably isnt worth much (if it is infact unregged) However, my recommendation would be to register the domain at someplace like Godaddy. Then post here or the appraisal section - get a few opinions. If within a few days no one likes the domain name - cancel it and ask Godaddy for a refund. If people congratulate you on your find - keep it and smile.

Justin

 

[bmugford]

Estibot is a good tool, but you also have to use common sense also.

1.) Does the domain name sound good or make sense
Example - buystocks.com makes a lot more sense than stocksbuy.com
2.) Is there a market for the domain? Is the domain highly targeted or is it a brandable name?

 

[pcp]

Personally, if all the other extensions were taken and there were some decent search stats, I would risk reg fee.
Good luck!

 

[bmugford]

Normally if all the major extensions are taken, it is well worth reg fee. You start with several possible end users, especially if the other extensions are in use.

Personally, if all the other extensions were taken and there were some decent search stats, I would risk reg fee.
Good luck!

 

[joexbl]

Yeah, i think mostly Estibot is very good at what it does and i use it a lot. But sometimes there are the odd wierd ones...for example - i got pulledoff.com for reg fee and it was valued by Estibot at $12,000! Check it out now, it's still at that value. All other extns are available but are all worth reg fee except the .com

I grabbed it based on that appraisal (heck, 12K is massive for Estibot!), but get zero type-in traffic and no money at all from parking. Have not received any offers on it either. So, i think that one really was a case of Estibot got it wrong...lol..but, we live and we learn...

I also got shadesofred.com - valued at $6,800 by Estibot - has PPC bids and all, but i get maybe 2 type-ins a day at best and no clicks. Had no offers either...so go figure?

 

[estibot.com]

I agree with most posts here: If all other extensions are really taken, it's probably worth regging.

$2,200 valuation on Estibot usually means that it's definitely worth a closer look. The basic research that I do after such a valuation, is as follows (only takes 2-3 minutes): Click on the PPC Ads link (on the results page) and observe the advertiser activity on the Google AdTest page, also look at the total Google results number, and the top 10 organic results: are they spammy looking or legit looking, does it look like there is a bustling market? Go to freekeywords.wordtracker.com and check for up-to-date Wordtracker popularity. Go to NameBio.com and see if there are past sales for similar names.

If you have
a) Good PPC activity
b) Some up-to-date Wordtracker score
c) many other extensions taken
d) previous sales with similar keywords (this one not 100% necessary)

-> reg it now....then post it here so we can tell you whether to keep it or whether to cancel it and suffer only $0.25.

Remember, someone else may reg it today.

 

[bmugford]

I have used Estibot to reg several good dropping domains. In general I don't mess around with hand regs since it takes too much time and effort for me.

It still takes common sense though. One thing that helps me is finding niche domains that have markets. For example "investing" might have a million searches, high paying PPC ads, etc. But all the best domains to do with that are long gone.

Let's say you can find a domain like "buypickles.com", now that domain will not appeal to everyone obviously, but there are still end users who Sell Pickles and want it.

Even the most specific things have end users, especially in .com
It is also much easier to find an end user for highly targeted niches, at least that is my experience.

Brad

I agree with most posts here: If all other extensions are really taken, it's probably worth regging.

$2,200 valuation on Estibot usually means that it's definitely worth a closer look. The basic research that I do after such a valuation, is as follows (only takes 2-3 minutes): Click on the PPC Ads link (on the results page) and observe the advertiser activity on the Google AdTest page, also look at the total Google results number, and the top 10 organic results: are they spammy looking or legit looking, does it look like there is a bustling market? Go to freekeywords.wordtracker.com and check for up-to-date Wordtracker popularity. Go to NameBio.com and see if there are past sales for similar names.

If you have
a) Good PPC activity
b) Some up-to-date Wordtracker score
c) many other extensions taken
d) previous sales with similar keywords (this one not 100% necessary)

-> reg it now....then post it here so we can tell you whether to keep it or whether to cancel it and suffer only $0.25.

Remember, someone else may reg it today.

 

[estibot.com]

for example - i got pulledoff.com for reg fee and it was valued by Estibot at $12,000!

I also got shadesofred.com - valued at $6,800 by Estibot - has PPC bids and all, but i get maybe 2 type-ins a day at best and no clicks.

Yeah, those are the typical domains Estibot will overestimate like crazy. Popular phrases. I have a fix for this worked out in my mind, but to implement it would require more resources.

But don't underestimate the power of 2 type-ins per day!

To anyone regging domains I recommend this test.

I named it the "Litmus test for domains" - I ask this myself before regging/buying any domain.

Who is in the business of //DOMAIN KEYWORDS HERE//? How will this domain name make money for someone dealing in //DOMAIN KEYWORDS HERE//?

In the case of your above mentioned domains, this Litmus test would produce:

1. Who is in the business of Pulled Off? How will this domain name make money for someone dealing in Pulled Off?

2. Who is in he business of Shades of Red? How will this domain name make money for someone dealing in Shades of Red?

Case 1: Makes no sense at all. Obviously not worth regging.
Case 2: To me, might make some slight sense, because painters and paint manufacturers, and maybe the adult industry are in the business of Shades of Red, and this could make money for them as a brandable, memorable domain name that their customers would remember. It also does get type-in traffic, even 2 per day is good, so it's a keeper.

Some of my own recent examples, just recently I was wondering whether to reg these or not:

1. BulkInkRefills.com (note, Estibot says this is Reg Fee, but the data is promising)

Litmus test for Domains:

Who is in the business of Bulk Ink Refills?

Google shows: There are over 90 PPC Ads for the exact search term. Many of them have worse domains, for instance, 123Refills.net (who's going to remember that?). FillServ.com -> not too great either. Shorter, sure, but my term is generic and descriptive and as such very easy to remember.

SO the answer is: Lots of businesses, for instance, 123Refills.net and HP.com are in the business of Bulk Ink Refills.

2. How will BulkInkRefills.com make money for someone dealing in Bulk Ink Refills?

Answer: Type-in traffic (free customers), memorability (your bulk ink clients will remember this name above all), authority (this domain will give you the Aura of being the primary Bulk Ink Refill business in the world since you own the .com.)

-> I regged it, and it is receiving type-in traffic every day.

ANother one:

EcotourismHolidays.com (Estibot says $1800 and decent search data)

1. Who is in the business of Ecotourism Holidays?

Answer: Several companies. For instance, GapAdventures.com, LCLWorld.com, RockResorts.com etc....

2. How will this EcotourismHolidays make money for someone dealing in Ecotourism Holidays?

Answer: 1) Type in traffic (it gets 4 type-ins per day) 2) Authority 3) memorability

-> Regged it. This one is also a growing, trendy market and I expect the value to rise.

Even the most specific things have end users, especially in .com
It is also much easier to find an end user for highly targeted niches, at least that is my experience.

I agree 100%. Generally I also agree that dealing in expired domain aftermarket is better than searching for hand regs. However, I think there are still good .coms available for hand regging, especially in highly targeted niches, see my above post.

Especially for newbies, I can't stress this enough: Focus on generics, like BuyPickles.com, EcotourismHolidays.com, instead of regging hopefuls like, to take a few examples from the appraisal board today, StupendousGifts.com, Strawberrys.info, iAsked.net, which are worthless, and stick to .com unless you are absolutely sure you know what you're doing with the other .tlds.

 

[joexbl]

Great post, Estibot :great:

Very sound advice there. Yeah, i made quite a few mistakes early on. Actually i think Estibot is an awesome tool, and mostly can be pretty well trusted imo. But totally agree on that point about the litmus test. I didn't do that before, but definately do it now.

So you really think 2 type-ins a day is decent? i thought anything less than double digits was a waste of time...

Im going to be developing shadesofred.com asap because i do like it a lot. Will probably be a blog of some sort lol

:hehe:

 

[james2002]

I would not trust any automatic domain tool. It may be good as a guide but not for final decision.

 

[htmlindex]

No, I wouldn't buy the .com unless the name is a quality name that I felt it had value to it.

 

[Teddy7]

I have good experiences with estibot!
Worth to try!

 

[weblord]

i won't solely trust a software, i will research on it, read and read.

 

[dgridley]

First I'd ever heard of Estibot. It gives me this for my dav3.tv:

Domain: dav3.tv
Keywords (Autodetected) dav3
Frequency (MSN) 18100
Backlinks 8,485
PageRank 4
Alexa Rank 2046750 **
Traffic (Visits / Day) some**


http://EstiBot.com
Valuation for domain name only : USD 770

Valuation considering traffic:
USD 1,100

Shoot.. I'd love to get that much for the domain, lol!

 

[competentdomains]

I started to reg domains in late 2006 although my first one was in 2003. A short 4-letter swedish domain, I get som e type ins but.. no it´s nothing.
Forget it. Estibot is a very fragile tool. Among tha domains i have registered, there are some that are worth huge for me because they correlate exactly to some products that I know a lot of but estibot rate them about low/mid. But it doesn´t matter. Estibot doesn´t know about everything and it values very strange, always have. As a tool it can only be used in conjunction with other facts or experince. Sometimes and more or less most of the time, i´ts valuation is worth close to nothing. The worst is it so extremely low valuation of .net and .org. Com is the best and greatest bla bla and all that we already know, but .net is good, or even very good, and .org is ok and can be very good too.

I have many domains that estibot value to thousands of dollars. It is quite easy to find some available to that estibot would value upp to a thousand or even more. But I don´t reg like that anymore. I have too many very good domains already, waiting to be developed.
Totally, I have only sold 2 domains until now. Sellinmg domains isn´t my thing even though a bunch of those I have should be worth huge money. But I´m no salesman, i don´t like that. Not funny.

It took me nearly a year to begin to listen to my own estimations. I cannot understand why i regged what I regged first, although some of these were and still is good, so I renewed them in waiting to be developed.
After ca 7 months I started to think in two ways, I knew what had to be the best, but I didn´t feel like that. In a way I kind of understood that my own estimations will change and it did. I had to thought of my own potential, my own knowledge and how I could implement that in domains. No matter how cool domain names I had managed to find, what should I do with it. I suddenly realized, oh why.. why havent I regged those domains available correlation to products associated to my own old interests. I started to reg them and I think I was out in the last minute because at the same time some of these domains had just been regged or became regged shortly after I began thinking about regging them. I was a bit poor, and still is. But from the first niched minisite i did, adsense showed a little income, though it is a very small niche. While being unwillingly occupied with other things for a long time, I have in the last month focused intensively on one subject, one niche that is much bigger than the first mini site I did. Calculations show trat it should give so much more. I have worked very carefully with the content, especially images. Collecting images and restoring them in fine detail, making the only full worthy quality gallery on the net for this niche. I am so impationt to see the results but i think it just has to pay off. But well well, maybe I should speak softly until proven the results.

What I´m talking about, start to develop. Decide. What do you really know about? What are you´re dedicated to in your heart? Maybe old interests from the childhood that you have underestimated in value. Realize what you are good at and start to work with it. Develop with good own structured content.
It just has to work.