I lost $5805usd through PayPal scam by Shane Bellone

[12no3]

Many of my friend suggested me to post this on namepros so others will less likely to be scamed by shane.

So on 2016-09-26 and 2016-09-27 he bought 374 cvcv.in names and 471 cvcv.in names all together 845 .in names together. (these are random cvcv.in)
together he paid me on paypal 5805 usd.

I pushed the domain to him, then everything is fine. the deal was made through whatsapp chat.
deal closed.
then I saw him selling them on .in markect group, flipped some for higher price.

until 27the decenmber when i log in to my paypal to make another purchase, i see paypal refunded 5805 back to him, then i look up my email, i saw paypal disput which i completed missed.
buyer claim reason: NOT AS DESCRIBED! (this is after he sold and transfer out some of those)

I did not know paypal had this 3 months rules where buyer can claim the money back, and becuase i do not log on paypal so often and get xxx amount of emails every days, so i missed the window that i could have argued with paypal. but well lesson learned.

Some infomation of shane so other can avoid being scamed by him
http://this_username_was_banned.com/
http://www.domainsherpa.com/shane-bellone-itmagazine-interview/
http://tldinvestors.com/2016/05/shane-bellone-saying-goodbye-to-domaining.html
http://omarandwill.com/interview-with-the-expert-volume-2-featuring-shane-bellone/
https://www.facebook.com/app_scoped_user_id/10154332611129273
https://www.linkedin.com/in/this_username_was_banned
https://twitter.com/this_username_was_banned


good news is after I provided all the evidence to the registrar, the registrar moved the remaining (ones he did not sold or transfer out) to my account, so at least i got something back.

Becuareful when using paypal,and becuareful when you trade any domain that was processed by shane.

During the process of getting the unsold domains by shane, I had great help from .in whatsapp group, so special thx who provide information and also special thx to shiva , kemji, alexa and indy who tried to contact shane for me, but he went dark, not picking his cell phone, does not respond back on whatsapp nor linkedin.

 

[DU]

The Real Shane will never come back here to explain himself because that would be beneath him. He isn't one of you, he's better than you. Re-opening the account (if its closed) is too much effort to make a post about how pathetic we all are. We are all forum users. He might get his buddy to post something on his blog and make some casual tweets belittling you but that's all we deserve.

But before the thread closes it's important to re-iterate a couple of lessons learned:

I've said it many times before -a deal requires a contract which has terms (names, delivery, price) and anything else leaves you more open to shitty behavior. That's pretty much the most important lesson and it applies to 90% of the "I got ripped off" thread.

Trust is sometimes given before being earned.

The amusing thing this thread (and forum in general) reveals is how quickly domainers are to deify people - Shane, Ali, the Sherpas - and also how to some the "PRO" badge actually represents something meaningful. The sad thing is that NP split into the aesthetic of "PRO" and regular members that furthered the idea. Since that time it has become an NP embarrassment, imho. People can say it's unrelated to this issue but it's by association - it's the steroid era of baseball, it's the postal team of Armstrong. It's sad and it's unfortunate that many of the key people don't see it.

It's good to see that the badges have been removed from certain members but the damage is done. PRO represents nothing more than a collective. The fact that you can't get together and be in a group without a sticker or badge of approval says a lot. It clearly doesn't mean anything about respect or trust...and NEVER will. That's something you earn at a personal level.

But I will leave with a quote to consider - I'll let you guess the source:
”I despise the lack of transparency. It is too easy to cheat people out of their hard earned money with some deceptive but common practices. It’s borderline pathetic.”

 

[ben pedri]

I am trying give the guy the benefit of the doubt "but I know he follows this site and even after he left he always had to put his redneck two cents in. Why not defend himself, WHY DID THIS Guy leave anyway,if I made 100-200k at his age ,I aint going anywhere

He inquired about one of my domains a few months ago ,I think it was him looking for MasteringMastering .com that may explain his disappearance I get a funny feeling he may be somewhere scantly dressed in leather and high heels would with an apple in his mouth.

 

[Kenny]

The Real Shane will never come back here to explain himself because that would be beneath him. He isn't one of you, he's better than you. Re-opening the account (if its closed) is too much effort to make a post about how pathetic we all are. We are all forum users. He might get his buddy to post something on his blog and make some casual tweets belittling you but that's all we deserve.

But before the thread closes it's important to re-iterate a couple of lessons learned:

I've said it many times before -a deal requires a contract which has terms (names, delivery, price) and anything else leaves you more open to sh*tty behavior. That's pretty much the most important lesson and it applies to 90% of the "I got ripped off" thread.

Trust is sometimes given before being earned.

The amusing thing this thread (and forum in general) reveals is how quickly domainers are to deify people - Shane, Ali, the Sherpas - and also how to some the "PRO" badge actually represents something meaningful. The sad thing is that NP split into the aesthetic of "PRO" and regular members that furthered the idea. Since that time it has become an NP embarrassment, imho. People can say it's unrelated to this issue but it's by association - it's the steroid era of baseball, it's the postal team of Armstrong. It's sad and it's unfortunate that many of the key people don't see it.

It's good to see that the badges have been removed from certain members but the damage is done. PRO represents nothing more than a collective. The fact that you can't get together and be in a group without a sticker or badge of approval says a lot. It clearly doesn't mean anything about respect or trust...and NEVER will. That's something you earn at a personal level.

But I will leave with a quote to consider - I'll let you guess the source:
”I despise the lack of transparency. It is too easy to cheat people out of their hard earned money with some deceptive but common practices. It’s borderline pathetic.”

All valid points, however....
You were going good there DU, until the 3rd and 4th paragraph....
You can expect those, and this post as well to be "cleaned up".
As well it should as that is a subject for a different thread.

Peace,
Cy

 

[LowPage TeaJit]

Its your mistake of missing the Dispute Email and scams on internet like this are common, done by even the most reputed members also sometimes.

 

[DU]

All valid points, however....
You were going good there DU, until the 3rd and 4th paragraph....
You can expect those, and this post as well to be "cleaned up".
As well it should as that is a subject for a different thread.

Peace,
Cy

That's fine but it would be disappointing.

It's not that I have anything against the members of a group but it should be obvious to normal members and passers by that the badge does not bestow special trust or tacit approval of members by the forum. It's just a group with some entry rules. An avatar band showing "PRO" implies Namepros support and that's not the case. I imagine that might surprise people.

It just ties in to what I was saying about making sure you know the PERSON you are dealing with.
Further discussion on the merits or not do belong elsewhere. I do not care if the group exists or not - it's not something that bothers or interests me.

In Cy language -
If Barry Bonds makes the Hall of Fame it won't ever diminish what Stan Musiel or Tony Gwynn did over their careers but for some it will tarnish what the Hall is.

 

[Paul123]

@Shane -- come and defend your self buddy.

Shane may be as honest as the day is long. Not many have come forward to say he has cheated them -- I do though think a 'pregnant negative' springs to mind. I'll leave you to work that one out yourself. Anyway enjoy another thread 'beating' everyone. I bet Adam's loving this heh. Look - for AD or SB it is what it is -- loads of people sticking their beak in to things that don't really concern them. Cat's and pigeons spring to mind.

Just saying. I'm done with the thread.

 

[promo]

@Shane -- come and defend your self buddy.

Shane may be as honest as the day is long..

I totally agree. However this thread is not about him. But rather the Shane hiding behind @S-B and apparently at least one other user account.

 

[djum]

I am cofunder of 190.com. So I did not want to mention any other platforms,and tbh it is kinda embrassing for me to get scamed.
I spend millions of millions usd on domaining.
so no reason for me to make fake news or make quick cash as shane friend blog mentioned. I do not want to draw attention to myself, I am a quiet person, I only posted this to warn people to avoid the bad thing that happened to me

I made successful transactions with TS in the past and can confirm he's an honest person and represents legit business.
The fact that Shane Bellone didn't come to this thread to protect his reputation says it all.
This man is done in online business, not just domaining, imho.
Big shame and disappointment.

Yeah DVP is kinda going at OP hard. That's not like him, at least from what we know from NP chat.

It's actually exactly what we expect from him, to stand together with the shady people, based on previous interactions.

 

[wwwweb]

I made successful transactions with TS in the past and can confirm he's an honest person and represents legit business.
The fact that Shane Bellone didn't come to this thread to protect his reputation says it all.
This man is done in online business, not just domaining, imho.
Big shame and disappointment.


It's actually exactly what we expect from him, to stand together with the shady people, based on previous interactions.

So can we identify which of his stated shady cohorts are still active on namepros?

As it looked like they had multiple accounts?

 

[carob]

I hope that this has been reported to Paypal - I don't see how a domain can be "defective" - making a dispute claim on a false premise could well get your account locked or banned on Paypal, even if it might be too late for a refund.

 

[fruttolo]

I think it's almost impossible not to see in one or even three months that someone has filed a PayPal compliant. For so much money!
I mean.... since one keep a big amount into a PP account, should check from time-to-time its account, no? Even by simply making payment operations for goods or services...
I don't remember well, but I think that when someone file a dispute there, PP always remind by email from time to time that there's a compliant to reply... but maybe I'm wrong!
Or maybe the user never check his mail... !

 

[djum]

I think it's almost impossible not to see in one or even three months that someone has filed a PayPal compliant. For so much money!
I mean.... since one keep a big amount into a PP account, should check from time-to-time the account, no? Or simply making operations? I don't remember well, but I think that when someone file a claim, PP always remind from time to time that there's a compliant to reply.... but maybe I'm wrong!

There shouldn't be any complaints made to Paypal.
Domains were provided as described. Transfer out from west.xyz is possible and was made on 42 domains that were sold by Shane out of 850.
The complaint was absolutely fraudulent.

What you saying is similar to say "you should be more careful walking through that neighbourhood" to someone who got robbed. Of course they should, but the initial reason of robbery is that someone decided to rob you.

 

[fruttolo]

I did not read 22 pages of replies, I red only the first post, and in the first post your friend says that
"i saw paypal disput which i completed missed. . buyer claim reason: ..."
so someone (the buyer) filed a claim/compliant under PP and your friend let it expire because he did not reply in... 1 month, 2 months, 3 months? I don't know.
So for me... its pretty hard to believe that something like this can happen... !
Because it means that you never long into your PP account, because when you have a claim you see a big notice in the home page as a reminder.

 

[djum]

I did not read 22 pages of replies, I red only the first post

I suggest reading the whole thread or at least enough to understand what happened before replying then.
This advice is good for ANY thread.

 

[fruttolo]

Thanks and sorry for the misunderstanding, I will try to read the whole thread...
I anyway hope that your friend filed a lawsuit or is taking actions to recover the money he lost

 

[richface]

Anyone who claims to be making $xxx,xxx in domains and suddenly quits to study is either Incredibly smart or a Con Artist!. There are only 2 people I trust in this world and one of them is myself. I do not want to pass Judgement but those who also claim Millionaire's do not dispute $5K Losses are living in an alternative universe Specifically Cloud cuckoo land. In Business every penny Counts ! Even Billion Dollar companies will chase debts of $800 if you understand the basic fundamentals of making money then any loss is unacceptable.

 

[fruttolo]

Great post, richface. I was thinking absolutely the same.
Personally I would fight even for $100 or less, when taken illicitly!
Never pass over anything.

 

[maya-zir]

You need reopen the case.
I reopened the closed dispute a few times and finally won.

 

[Charley]

I saw this thread link from Adam Dicker criminal thread. Just checking whats going on here.

 

[Kenny]

I saw this thread link from Adam Dicker criminal thread. Just checking whats going on here.

You should start from the beginning, Charley. It's an mind expanding read.
But if you haven't got the time....
Just go back one page for the readers digest / Perry Mason moment version.

Peace,
Cy