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question How is GoDaddy able to have a Redemption Grace Period (RGP) less than the ICANN mandated 30 days?

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Godaddy policy:
+26 days: Domain goes to auction, but you can still manually renew the domain for the standard renewal price. If there's an active bid at auction, the domain cannot be renewed.
So if someone bids on the 26th day and then GoDaddy prevents the original registrant from renewing it then it effectively reduces the RGP to 25 days.

From ICANN's Expired Registration Recovery Policy (ERRP):
The ERRP requires all generic TLD registries to offer a Redemption Grace Period ("RGP") of 30 days immediately following the deletion of a domain name registration. During this 30-day period, registries are prohibited from transferring the domain name, and must allow the registered name holder of the domain name to restore the domain name registration. If you are the registered name holder of a domain name that has been deleted by your registrar and want to restore your domain name registration during this Period, you can contact your registrar for assistance. Note that your registrar may charge a fee for this service.

Domain names that are in the 30-day Redemption Grace Period can be redeemed (or renewed) before the end of the Grace Period. If you tried to redeem (or renew) your domain name that is in Redemption Grace Period, but were unable to do so, the registrar may be in breach of the Expired Registration Recovery Policy. Your registrar must provide three renewal notices and allow a domain in Redemption Grace Period to be redeemed (or renewed).
 
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I think you can but there is an extra fee. They are allowed to charge a higher fee to renew after a certain number of days past the expiration towards the end of your grace renewal period .

So you aren’t guaranteed to get it at the standard renewal price if you wait too long.

You should be able to renew it at the higher renewal rate til day 30 as mentioned in the excerpts above. You have to call them or better yet not wait that long to renew.
 
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there are no rules for 30 days

but I think a few days are mandatory.

1and1 has only 10 days before the fockers make u pay redemption

focking greed
 
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I think you can but there is an extra fee. They are allowed to charge a higher fee to renew after a certain number of days past the expiration towards the end of your grace renewal period .

So you aren’t guaranteed to get it at the standard renewal price if you wait too long.
My question was not about the extra fees. That is OK. They are allowed to charge extra fees. But the 30 day recoverable period is mandatory from ICANN which they don't follow. They put the domains in auction before the 30 days end and if someone else bids for the domain during that time they don't allow the original registrant to renew the domain, which clearly is a violation of ICANN rules.

You should be able to renew it at the higher renewal rate til day 30 as mentioned in the excerpts above. You have to call them or better yet not wait that long to renew.
They don't if someone else bids for it. There are threads people confirming it on this forum itself.
 
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there are no rules for 30 days
There is a mandatory 30 day rule from ICANN for gTLDs. I am not allowed to post links, but I literally quoted it from ICANN website from their Expired Registration Recovery Policy. ccTLDs would have their own policies of course.
 
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Ummm... one of my domain was removed before 72 days (47 days) from my godaddy.com so I contact them but they simply said your domain was expired! They ask me to contact afternic if I want to get back!!! Lately I am getting horrible experience after 15 years!
 
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At z . com you have Sixty days to renew a domain name 👍
 
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There are a few misconceptions in the opening post. The 26 day cut-off comes *before* RGP. If the domain sells on auction, it never enters RGP. It all happens within the auto-renew grace period. Put simply if there's a buyer, godaddy (and a whole lot of other registrars) just takes your domain away from you and sells it to them. You should be asking whether that's legal, not why they do it after 25 days. And if there is no buyer, then the domain enters a 30-day RGP as per ICANN rules. Picture for reference.


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Monopolies can make and bend rules. When VeriSign's severs are overloaded, and you want to check a .com at most registrars, you will get an error saying to check back later, but GoDaddy is working just fine.
 
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Wow. I would love to see this topic get more discussion. When @pb said the RGP doesn't apply, that didn't make any sense to me until I started thinking about it and reading the ERRP (Expired Registration Recovery Policy).

Now that I think I understand what's going on, it looks like the ERRP doesn't do much for registrants. In fact, it may be worse than nothing because it gives a false impression of protections that won't actually materialize for registrants that need them.

The ERRP is a good example where ICANN's hands-off approach doesn't work. From a technical point of view, the ERRP sounds great because the RGP (Redemption Grace Period) guarantees registrants with an expired, deleted domain have a 30-day window to get it back. In that time DNS resolution must stop and, if the registrant is using the domain for anything like a website or email, it would be obvious the domain expired, so it minimizes the harm to registrants that rely on their domain because they can reclaim their domain out of RGP.

The key word above is deleted. The way I read the ERRP, and basically what I think @pb is saying, is that registrars with auction platforms simply don't delete the domain and that nullifies most of the ERRP. Basically, the red arrows in the picture posted by @pb are the part of the ERRP that should protect registrants, but registrars move domains to their auction platforms before that.

ICANN doesn't want policies that dictate how contracted parties conduct business, so intead of using strong language like must and will, they use weak, non-committal language like should and may. For example:

2.2.1. Subject to applicable consensus policies and provisions of the Registrar Accreditation Agreement ("RAA"), registrars may delete registrations at any time after they expire.

Using the word may makes deletion optional and, since deletion is required for RGP to kick in and protect registrants, everything after section 2.1 of the ERRP might as well not exist because it's only going to protect domains that have such low value that no one wants to buy them at auction (for any price).

There are even parts of section 2.1 that sound good, but don't do much:

2.1.2. If a registration is not renewed by the RAE or deleted by the registrar, within five days after the expiration of the registration, the registrar must transmit at least one additional expiration notice to the RAE that includes instructions for renewing the registration.

So, if the registrar hasn't deleted your domain within the first 5 days, they must send you instructions for renewing the registration. That makes it sound like you should get still get some kind of opportunity to renew the domain, but the instructions could be anything.

Later on, section 4 makes it sound like post-expiration fees will be well known.

4.1. Registrars must make their renewal fees, post-expiration renewal fees (if different), and redemption/restore fees reasonably available to Registered Name Holders and prospective Registered Name Holders at the time of registration of a gTLD name.

However, that doesn't put any kind of restriction on the registrars. A variable fee is a fee, right, so what prevents registrars from a disclosure that says something like "the post-expiration renewal fee is a variable fee that uses an auction-based marketplace to determine the current market value of expired domains"?

Then the instructions for renewal can be "participate in the auction".

You'll also see a decent amount of language in ICANNs docs that create escape hatches or exceptions that make it easy for contracted parties to ignore things. For example:

2.2.2. For registrations deleted within eight days of expiration: The existing DNS resolution path specified by the RAE must be interrupted by the registrar from expiration of the registration until its deletion, to the extent the applicable registry permits such interruptions.

It starts with strong language, but then weakens it significantly in the same sentence. The only thing needed to ignore that requirement is for part of the registrar-registry contract to forbid the registrar from interrupting the RAE's specified DNS resolution path.

I just skimmed the registration agreements for three popular registrars. Two of them use non-committal language and the third doesn't even mention the post expiration process. So, in my opinion, you aren't guaranteed anything and, beyond the good-faith practices of registrars, you have to assume your domain is gone the day it expires.

The lack of obligations to registrants are shocking to me considering the way the everyone uses the ERRP to give the impression that domains have a predictible lifecycle that protects registrants that unintentionally let their domains expire.

I'm extremely interested in the viewpoint of other NP members because this is the exact kind of thing I'd like to help make others aware of, assuming I've assessed it correctly.
 
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