.mobi How Accurate is Estibot for .MOBI's??

[VisionEdger]

Just curious on your opinions about how accurate estibot is for domain values??

 

[hey.co.uk]

As useful as the proverbial chocolate teapot

The only plus point is that it is not as ludicrous as other automated valuation services, however on a sample of 10 names I just put through it was not even in the same ballpark as sales/offers/similar market data. This is not suprising if the software is based on word pop / links and the like.

Personally I would love an automated tool with the guarantee the site owner will buy the names for the specified value

To be honest I dont believe any domainer takes these tools seriously.

 

[garrett200]

It wasn't this one, but I had a similar estimator say that nethost.mobi was worth $50,000. I wish.....

 

[Traveler]

I agree that these automated tools leave a lot to be desired. However, I think estibot is probably the best one out there. Personally, I think the best "free" appraisals come from domainers who know their stuff.

 

[accent]

A whole lot better than other automated appraisers. But remember that the domain market itself is wildly variable - the same domain could sell for 10 times as much from one instance to another - there are resellers and end users all mixed up in price records, etc.

Domains are not fungiable commodities. Trying to track values is not an exact thing.

Also like any automatic system, estibot can be fooled by bad data -- for example a lot of interest in a term due to factors that do not translate into value - such as a trademark or obscure scientific acronym.

Estibot appears to value LLL.mobis a little low - I would guess it looks at the overall extension in comparison to other extensions, and derives value that way, LLL.mobis are "hot" relative to the remainder of the extension.

 

[dag]

Just curious on your opinions about how accurate estibot is for domain values??

It's actually one of the most accurate automatic domain valuation tools so far, for .COMs. As for .MOBI domains and many other TLDs, there's a dropoff in accuracy, as Josh himself has admitted (it was developed by fellow NPer Josh_1), although it remains good for gauging relative value.

 

[scandiman]

reno.mobi EstiBot Valuation USD 2,145
capt.mobi EstiBot Valuation USD 2,325

draw your own conclusions.

 

[angisson]

asking them (or any auto site like this) is like asking a blind person how good you look

IMHO

 

[garrett200]

reno.mobi EstiBot Valuation USD 2,145
capt.mobi EstiBot Valuation USD 2,325

draw your own conclusions.

Probably not too far off the mark, at least for Reno.mobi

 

[texasgamer]

Estibot.com
$73

 

[scandiman]

Probably not too far off the mark, at least for Reno.mobi

Good luck getting me to sell it for that amount. Large city with high priced real estate and a constant influx of tourists for gambling, skiing and lots of special events. 2k is way off the mark.

Estibot.com
$73

now that's funny! :lol:

 

[garrett200]

Good luck getting me to sell it for that amount. Large city with high priced real estate and a constant influx of tourists for gambling, skiing and lots of special events. 2k is way off the mark.

Not too far off the mark FOR MY BUDGET!

 

[VisionEdger]

good 1

Estibot.com
$73

Estinot- oops!- EstiNot

 

[-REECE-]

Good luck getting me to sell it for that amount. Large city with high priced real estate and a constant influx of tourists for gambling, skiing and lots of special events. 2k is way off the mark.

Indeed -- I'd say 15k would be more appropriate

If you take regular generics, it's within a factor of +/- 300% on the names I've bought so far. Obviously not perfect, but at least it doesn't appraise sex.mobi for $100 (Leapfish).

I spoke and Estibot listened :tu: Estibot now appraises reno.mobi at $15k, something which I think is fair.

 

[aggieuk]

Hee hee! Just put in Practice.mobi to see what it would say and it appraised it at $20,000!!! Woohoo! LOL

 

[dag]

Hee hee! Just put in Practice.mobi to see what it would say and it appraised it at $20,000!!! Woohoo! LOL

As stated previously, the developer, Josh_1, hasn't tweaked it to be accurate for .MOBI names, so yes, entering your .MOBI domain may get you some funny results. I happen to know Josh pretty well, and he's spent a lot of time trying to make this right for .COMs -- and there's a much better database of past sales to go on for .COMs. He's continuing to work on it to get it to be more accurate for other extensions, so as time goes on, you may actually be able to get a better ballpark figure for a .MOBI.

So keep plugging your .MOBIs in for laughs if you'd like, but don't expect anything accurate. Estibot does appear to have the highest accuracy for .COMs, however, of all these automated appraisers.

Ultimately, of course, I agree there's nothing that can appraise a domain like a human...or an actual sale!

 

[estibot.com]

Hi-

Thanks for testing everyone. Feedback such as this helps me to tweak the algo. I've just released the BETA version 2.0 for EstiBot and I feel it has improved the overall accuracy. The .mobi tld is so difficult to appraise, especially when trying to include it in an all-encompassing algorithm. Big variance. Also, who knows if in the future .mobi domains are going to be worth the disk space they're stored in....or on the other hand skyrocket in value...but of course that's another question.

You may or may not be pleased to see the current EstiBot valuation of the names mentioned in this thread

Practice.mobi USD 134
Reno.mobi USD 4,051
Capt.mobi USD 2,292
NetHost.mobi USD 29
Sex.mobi USD 516,515

Oh, yes and
Estibot.com USD 60 <--- pretty good, considering it was only $6.95 when I regged it a couple of months ago

Personally I feel reno.mobi is a nice name but maybe not worth 15,000 given current sluggish market conditions. While Reno is an especially nice name, I don't think it's necessarily worth more than Europe.mobi which recently went for 11,500 and another example of a nice recent mobi sale, eat.mobi 6,500. But given the right buyer, you could definitely get a nice sum for it. It's so unpredictable - who would have guessed WorldIsland.mobi goes for 42,000 ?? There is absolutely no logic.

And precisely because of the unpredictability of the domain market, an automated appraisal is not necessarily worse than any human appraisal. Humans are often subjective and opinionated. I have seen hundreds of human appraisals that seem completely arbitrary. It's good to get an objective valuation, too - but as I have stressed so many times, EstiBot aims to just provide a ballpark value as a starting point for human evaluation, and also it gives you some nice keyword data to use in your research.

Good luck to all with your .mobi names!
Josh

 

[scandiman]

Hi-

Thanks for testing everyone. Feedback such as this helps me to tweak the algo. I've just released the BETA version 2.0 for EstiBot and I feel it has improved the overall accuracy. The .mobi tld is so difficult to appraise, especially when trying to include it in an all-encompassing algorithm. Big variance. Also, who knows if in the future .mobi domains are going to be worth the disk space they're stored in....or on the other hand skyrocket in value...but of course that's another question.

You may or may not be pleased to see the current EstiBot valuation of the names mentioned in this thread

Practice.mobi USD 134
Reno.mobi USD 4,051
Capt.mobi USD 2,292
NetHost.mobi USD 29
Sex.mobi USD 516,515

Oh, yes and
Estibot.com USD 60 <--- pretty good, considering it was only $6.95 when I regged it a couple of months ago

Personally I feel reno.mobi is a nice name but maybe not worth 15,000 given current sluggish market conditions. While Reno is an especially nice name, I don't think it's necessarily worth more than Europe.mobi which recently went for 11,500 and another example of a nice recent mobi sale, eat.mobi 6,500. But given the right buyer, you could definitely get a nice sum for it. It's so unpredictable - who would have guessed WorldIsland.mobi goes for 42,000 ?? There is absolutely no logic.

And precisely because of the unpredictability of the domain market, an automated appraisal is not necessarily worse than any human appraisal. Humans are often subjective and opinionated. I have seen hundreds of human appraisals that seem completely arbitrary. It's good to get an objective valuation, too - but as I have stressed so many times, EstiBot aims to just provide a ballpark value as a starting point for human evaluation, and also it gives you some nice keyword data to use in your research.

Good luck to all with your .mobi names!
Josh

You are chasing an elusive goal regardless of the tld involved and I admire your efforts. Is there a way to do something special in regards to geo domains? Something just seems to be missing. For example, branson.com, current EstiBot Valuation USD 212,602 but sold for 1.6 million in 2006.

As for reno.mobi, the appraisal is of no consequence to me since it isn't for sale anyway.

 

[estibot.com]

You are chasing an elusive goal regardless of the tld involved and I admire your efforts. Is there a way to do something special in regards to geo domains? Something just seems to be missing. For example, branson.com, current EstiBot Valuation USD 212,602 but sold for 1.6 million in 2006.

Thanks for the encouragement. I like a challenge and I'm pretty sure EstiBot is by far the best automated appraisal system in existence, such as they are..but that's something already. I call it a good start.

Re the geo domains.. It would be nice to be able to group the domains and assign some inherent value to each group, but the problem is that the domain name universe is gigantic - with more than 100,000,000 active domain names it's just too big for that sort of programming (by me, anyway). But I will see if I can do something about it.

As you say, it's difficult, an elusive goal to make a consistently accruate system. But it's very interesting work and I'm learning a lot about both the domain name market and programming as I go along with this little project.

Regarding the high value names, it's difficult (or rather, impossible) to pinpoint the eventual sale price of any domain, and as for the high end names, according to EstiBot's own rules any valuation of 100,000 or more is just a general pointer indicating that the domain may be extremely valuable and the user should seek professional consultation to make sure the domain name is used/sold to its maximum potential. It says so in the EstiBot guide. I've discussed the limitations in the Guide page, of course nobody really can be bothered to read it...

An appraisal of $200,000 therefore means your name is potentially very valuable and may or may not be worth millions. Of course, Branson.com could have sold for much less, and many geo domains have gone for less lately. Actually during my testing for this beta2.0 I noticed that the system came up with reasonably accurate estimates for many geo domains.

Cheers!
Josh

 

[accent]

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