.tv Has the .tv market peaked?

[snoop]

I think we are seeing numerous signs to suggest the .tv may have peaked. From what I can see of it, it is fairly common for relaunched/new tlds prices peak to at the time of the major auction, when speculator interest is at its highest, and you have a whole lot of people in the market who wouldn’t normally dabble in it. I’m not sure .tv will be an exception to this rule.

The only thing to change is there is now a large number of names in the market with genuine, real value, much like other extensions. In other words it is now on a level playfield in that respect but it is still only that, "level", not tilted upwards. The exuberance has carried over into a lot of unrealistic viewpoints recently in my view,

eg

-People claim this market is just starting to warm up and will be much stronger in a year. (we’ve heard that before)
-The idea that many of these premiums will be developed (of course that will never happen and is setting the scene for later disappointment).
-People talking about “trying to keep the momentum going” and trying to organize group auctions (as though this is an engine that constantly needs top ups of fuel to prevent breakdown).
-People talking about future .tv millionaires.
-World economies seeing another shock spreading out from Europe.


If you look back a month ago that really was a market with a lot of positive elements rolled into, many factors combining that may never be repeated.

So I put this question out there, do you think the .tv market has peaked?

 

[gr8trfoo]

If it is the best choice why after 14 years are most video sites on .com?

where does "14 years" come from? i attended the .tv launch party (coinciding with icaan) in nov 2000.

 

[DotUSDomains]

where does "14 years" come from? i attended the .tv launch party (coinciding with icaan) in nov 2000.

.tv - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

introduced 1996

became "mainstream" in 2000

 

[gr8trfoo]

Finster, the niche for .tv in my view is websites for tv networks and tv shows. That is where most of the market is. The secondary usage is video conetnet sites but .tv is an alt extension for this. Yes, I think this is a niche extension.

i think you are sadly and profoundly mistaken. the world IS changing right in front of us. apple just released a new verion of the iphone and that alone will bring live handheld interactive video to millions more people. whatever happened in the last 5 years, 10 years, 14 years or 150 years does not matter 1 iota in the face of what is happening NOW and what is ABOUT to happen. and while i doubt we will ever see tv stations and networks disappear i think its a pretty safe bet to say they will soon not be the primary way most people watch video. i've been to several industry conventions and for the most part the players already know this.


i also dont belive there are such things as "alt" extensions, only good ones and not-so-good ones. .com is useful for everything - at least for now and the foreseeable future, but just becasue its the biggest doesnt make it the best for every purpose does it? if i'm doing business in dublin maybe i should want the .ie more than the .com, if i'm not actually branding or selling anything but just want a catchy name maybe .cc or .me works fine, and if i want to promote video rich content and everything else that one can do or will soon be able to do with webvideo then tell me why a .com would be preferable over a .tv - because my intuitive mind simply does not see it. for these purposes (having absolutely nothing to do with domain speculation) the .tv seems not like an "alternative" choice but the preferable choice. and the fact that its 1/100th price of the .com just makes it OH SO SWEET!

i do strongly agree with you that speculating in .tv is hazardous. a very few domainers appear to have done modestly well in them so far but i think most have spent more, and sometimes a lot more, than they have earned or will earn back in several years. the video revolution still has quite awhile to get on its legs and until we see widespread adoption of .tv we will not see that price differential change dramatically. the recession took a lot of wind out of almost everyone's sails and is about to get worse.

i used to think it was 3-5 years out but clearly i was overly optimistic. could be 7-10 years from now before we really start to experience the sea change.

 

[Keith]

The answer to the question in the title of the thread is no! The fact is that .tv is becoming known amongst the masses slowly via television channels/ads. It can only grow as time moves forward. There is too much in favor of .tv at this point for it to become less valuable.

I have however seen some recent regs floating around here that are terrible and valueless. Be careful of what you buy because growth of .tv does not equal direct value for your specific domains. They have to be regged with a purpose in mind or be strong keywords that suit the television industry IMO.

One example I have recently seen of what I consider a questionable buy was grill.tv. Unless the buyer developes that name, they will lose money hands down. Proceed with caution!

 

[gr8trfoo]

.tv - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

introduced 1996

became "mainstream" in 2000

well domains themselves were introduced in 1984, if i'm memory serves. how come every great .com wasnt scooped up by 1986 or 87? nope, it took 10 years before hardly anyone gave 2 craps.

 

[DotUSDomains]

well domains themselves were introduced in 1984, if i'm memory serves. how come every great .com wasnt scooped up by 1986 or 87? nope, it took 10 years before hardly anyone gave 2 craps.

And it's been 10 years for .tv

And not many people know about domains and there value back then, now everyone does.

if an american 14yrs ago had the choice.

.us
.com
.tv

Where would you put your money (my moneys on the right 1)

doesnt matter what could have been 10yrs ago, what happens now is what you have to deal with.

.com is staying top, thats for sure, youre dillusional if you think otherwise.

.tv just doesnt have the business/people to make it as big or anywhere near .com

whats a contractor/painter/plumber or any other small company going to do with a .tv ? None need a new website for a small tv commercial/video they have to promote themselves. Slap it on the .com and bobs your uncle. done and dusted.

I dont own a .tv and dont plan on owning 1 any time soon, as i have no need.

Speculation is ok, but development is key.
Good luck all

And yes i got lost Wrong neck of the woods for me here
Happy days

 

[domainacrobat]

If this thread goes on long enough, everything will have peaked.

 

[freedom30]

...whats a contractor/painter/plumber or any other small company going to do with a .tv ? None need a new website for a small tv commercial/video they have to promote themselves. Slap it on the .com and bobs your uncle. done and dusted.

I dont own a .tv and dont plan on owning 1 any time soon, as i have no need.

...they more than likely couldn't afford the price of a keyword .com that's parked by those that want their first born for it, so .tv keyword is a logical, and affordable, alternative.

So you don't own a .tv...that's cool. I do. good luck in your ventures at any rate.

 

[DotUSDomains]

It's not really a logical alternative, it's a vanity thing at best.

Logical: .us / .net / .biz / .org

vanity: .tv / .mobi / .tel < see where i'm going, not for the masses.

I dont know much about .tv, so i'm out.
Good luck.

 

[MicroGuy]

Logical: .us / .net / .biz / .org

Good ole' logical .BIZ! You had me up until that part.

 

[ThreeD]

if i want to promote video rich content and everything else that one can do or will soon be able to do with webvideo then tell me why a .com would be preferable over a .tv - because my intuitive mind simply does not see it.

There is no reason to choose a .com over a .tv - especially when it's media orientated.

However, for what it's worth, this whole ".COM rules the internet" analogy is so outdated and it's so "US .com domainer" minded. I am saying "US .com domainer" minded because I'm sure some of the biggest .com fanatics live in the US. What country outside the US shows the same level of interest in .com as americans? I can't think of any other country where ".com is king" - if you get my drift.

Now, if some of those fanatic .com people (in the US or not) could get their head out of their *bleep*, they would probably realize that there is more to the internet than just .com! Go ahead and flame me for saying that, but it's the truth so deal with it!

.COM may have been king for a while, but it's getting old and the competition is catching up fast! Time will tell when the inevitable shift will take place.

Soooo, where does this leave us? Well, a big number of .com fanatics think .com is king. That's all good, and that's probably true for now. Let them live their dream, let them ride their wave, but that very wave will come crashing down sooner or later. New waves are on the rise and they are getting bigger by the minute. The rest of the world discovered those waves a long time ago, waves the .com'ers choose to ignore - for now!

Oh and Finster - read the first line in your signature and move on You're wasting your time.

 

[freedom30]

It's not really a logical alternative, it's a vanity thing at best.

Logical: .us / .net / .biz / .org

vanity: .tv / .mobi / .tel < see where i'm going, not for the masses.

I dont know much about .tv, so i'm out.
Good luck.

...and I thank you for your honest opinion on this topic.

 

[gr8trfoo]

if an american 14yrs ago had the choice.

americans 14 years ago /did have the choice of a .us. just not a 2nd level, that didnt open up till what '03?

if you think you're going to achieve wealth by hording .us i really feel for you. i suppose it all comes down to quality. if all your names are as good or nearly so as move.us then you might just have something.

its exactly that lack of critical mass and recognition that keep .us small. .tv faces much the same problem, but at least it is globally recognizable. anyone anywhere in the world is going to see a .tv and see "internet video".

whats a contractor/painter/plumber or any other small company going to do with a .tv ?

a plumber, etc is going to do with a .tv? same thing they might do if they were to buy tv/cable ads - trounce their competition. most guys running their own truck and have a couple of helpers arnt ever going to buy a tv ad and have all the business they can handle so i see your point there. but there are a lot of hungry outfits that market agressively - those are the ones who'll take advantage of every good thing they can.

btw - i see a LOT more .biz's on the side of worktrucks then i ever have .us's. i've even tried to typo a few - not worth it.

.com is staying top, thats for sure, youre dillusional if you think otherwise.

did you actually read whats been said here, or did you just want to interject a .us infomercial?

top of what exactly? .com is the domain speculators bread and butter. i've been buying them going on 11 years now. i highly recommend to anyone who wants the best shot at steady income to pick those!

but if you want to actually do something video-wise then .tv should be your #1 pick. in some cases now i have both the .com and the .tv and when it comes time to develop guess which one i'll use to brand and which will only be a redirect. i could give a rats rear whether .com remains the #1 used name for video sites or not - i like .tv for the reasons already stated and what i'm going to care about going forward is how MY .tv sites are doing and how they can be made better and reach more people.

If this thread goes on long enough, everything will have peaked.

rof

lmao

 

[snoop]

So if you own keywordkeyword.com then a search for keyword keyword puts me TOP of google.. Another myth debunked.

I've never seen anyone claim that, highly exaggerated. Alot of people buy keyword domains because of the perceived minor/major search engine benefit. Lets stick to what is being said rather than arguing against claims nobody is actually making.

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And that makes the sum of all CCtld bigger than the .com

That is 200 different extensions. It is a mistake to lump cctlds together, only a handful are really investment grade. Most see a very low level of sales.

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where does "14 years" come from? i attended the .tv launch party (coinciding with icaan) in nov 2000.

It has been around since 1996 and I can remember talk of it being a hot extension tv networks/shows and cool new age sites in 1998. A 2000 "launch party" was probably a "relaunch", one of many.

"Registration date 1996-03-18."

IANA — .tv — Domain Delegation Data

 

[GoneWalkabout]

I've changed my mind.

TV has indeed peaked. Wasn't that fun while it lasted.


I expect to see masses of closeouts and firesales now - and all those .tv sites will rapidly disappear. Shame really, I just noticed that Rupert Murdoch has got into .TV today with his sunbingo.tv in the UK. He must feel pretty silly now.


Now, can this increasingly nuts thread move over for some proper discussion.

 

[snoop]

well domains themselves were introduced in 1984, if i'm memory serves. how come every great .com wasnt scooped up by 1986 or 87? nope, it took 10 years before hardly anyone gave 2 craps.

The thing is the Internet took 10-15 years to catch on, so when you say .com had a 10 years lag time it isn't really an extension related thing.

It is a bit like saying The ipod took years to catch on therefore if an a new ipod competitor came out today it would have years to catch on, it does not, it would either work fairly quickly or it would die. Similarly the market for domains is now extablished, you can't just apply the past to the present and think it will be a repeat. .tv has been relatively well known for 12 years or so, that is a very long time, it includes the entire time that Internet has been mainstaream. Things aren't going to suddenly change for it. It is what it is.

Whilst the Verisign changes have given the extension fresh life in the reseller market in terms of actual usage it is the same extension it was a few months ago.

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if an american 14yrs ago had the choice.

.us
.com
.tv

Where would you put your money (my moneys on the right 1)

Who cares, that is done and dusted and we know the result.

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There is no reason to choose a .com over a .tv - especially when it's media orientated.

Logic has clearly gone out the window here. I hate yo say it but if you are making financial decisions based on the ideas in that post you'll soon be poor.

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I've changed my mind.

TV has indeed peaked. Wasn't that fun while it lasted.


I expect to see masses of closeouts and firesales now - and all those .tv sites will rapidly disappear. Shame really, I just noticed that Rupert Murdoch has got into .TV today with his sunbingo.tv in the UK. He must feel pretty silly now.


Now, can this increasingly nuts thread move over for some proper discussion.

....and the award for today's exaggerated, overly emotional post goes to....

 

[ThreeD]

Logic has clearly gone out the window here. I hate yo say it but if you are making financial decisions based on the ideas in that post you'll soon be poor.

No worries, we're done "investing" We have our keyword domains and we're definitely not going to be poor after this. It's all about investing and developing for the future!

 

[Jaco]

I just noticed that Rupert Murdoch has got into .TV today with his sunbingo.tv in the UK.

Any time a .tv is heavily marketed, that benefits all .tv names in a fragmentary, butterfly-effect sort of way- so, good for .tv that another .tv is in use.

What will benefit '.tv domainers' is the adoption of generic .tv phrases, since brandables aren't what .tv domain speculators are apt to own.

The impact of parking/passive monetization of .com domain names cannot be overstated in terms of it's overall importance in the evolution of domain name speculation. Absent this, the scape would be wholly different. Early domainers figured out that curiosity navigators (type-in traffic) existed in .com domain names (chiefly because of the trillions of dollars .com has had in branding and it's almost impermeable mindshare) and those people might click just enough to make any given .com keyword domain name cash flow neutral or positive, thus affording subsidy against the cost to carry the underlying, salable domain asset.

This is really, really important.

Obviously, what you do when you buy a .tv and what I do when I buy a .us is different, since they don't get meaningful amounts of type-in traffic. We're coming out of pocket to speculate entirely on the domain asset itself, without the benefit of a built-in cash flow neutrality/positivity. Because of this one dynamic, the sort of all-encompassing, scattershot keyword investing that worked in .com does not work in any other extension.

In .tv, the end-user focus is cranked in even tighter, insomuch as the branding dynamic to the right of the dot has an inherent 'meaning'. From this 'meaning', smart people can reasonably predict what keywords are synergistic with the TLD itself, given what that TLD represents and is likely to be used for. Geo.tv makes tremendous sense. Certain keywords do too. Still, the 'keyword bar' is set awfully high for .tv and I think a lot of "TV Domainers" are applying very tired .com strategies to a TLD where such strategies just don't work. In short, a lot of these keywords aren't relevant as a 'channel', even if they would be otherwise desirable to own in a .com.

As long as .tv domains don't flow cash undeveloped, the best one can do is speculate based on the positivity of resale expectation. Go look in the sale forum... How many of those names do you seriously see an end-user wanting? Very few.

I think .tv is interesting, but I think people should be careful with it and realize that it's entirely its own thing. A lot of 'tv domainers' are inching towards their 'leaving domaining' firesale post with every new registry. Others will probably do OK, with a scant handful doing well.

 

[vincenzo]

.COM may have been king for a while, but it's getting old and the competition is catching up fast! Time will tell when the inevitable shift will take place.

Well, the .cn domains are now 2nd most popular - won't be long now for it to steel the crown.

if you think you're going to achieve wealth by hording .us i really feel for you.

It is plausable, that once .cn becomes more popular than .com there will be even more interest on country TLD's

Google's Matt Cutts has already stated many times that their algorithm is increasingly giving higher ranking to country specific websites, as they believe it's in the interest of their users.

anyone anywhere in the world is going to see a .tv and see "internet video".

True, until ICANN accepts .vid as a new TLD

- Vincent

 

[Animator]

True, until ICANN accepts .vid as a new TLD

Is .vid more meaningful then .tv ?

Seriously, what's a vid ? Did a cat eat eo ?