.tv Has the .tv market peaked?

[snoop]

I think we are seeing numerous signs to suggest the .tv may have peaked. From what I can see of it, it is fairly common for relaunched/new tlds prices peak to at the time of the major auction, when speculator interest is at its highest, and you have a whole lot of people in the market who wouldn’t normally dabble in it. I’m not sure .tv will be an exception to this rule.

The only thing to change is there is now a large number of names in the market with genuine, real value, much like other extensions. In other words it is now on a level playfield in that respect but it is still only that, "level", not tilted upwards. The exuberance has carried over into a lot of unrealistic viewpoints recently in my view,

eg

-People claim this market is just starting to warm up and will be much stronger in a year. (we’ve heard that before)
-The idea that many of these premiums will be developed (of course that will never happen and is setting the scene for later disappointment).
-People talking about “trying to keep the momentum going” and trying to organize group auctions (as though this is an engine that constantly needs top ups of fuel to prevent breakdown).
-People talking about future .tv millionaires.
-World economies seeing another shock spreading out from Europe.


If you look back a month ago that really was a market with a lot of positive elements rolled into, many factors combining that may never be repeated.

So I put this question out there, do you think the .tv market has peaked?

 

[cabletv]

True, until ICANN accepts .vid as a new TLD

- Vincent

Oh come on! Give me a break ... .VID??? Well how about .TUBE or .CABLE and .PLATE .FRIDGE .ASS .MILK ... .MOBI , .TEL e.t.c.. are BS zones and everybody knows it. I was laughing my head off with other domainers when Rick Schwartz tried to make everyone believe that he purchased flowers.mobi for 200K ... then I read his blog entry ... Man how lame can you be "Follow the money" HA! Just because he made a few million bucks he has the right to talk and write the way he does, making other people think that they are worthless or something ...

The Rick Schwartz Domain and Traffic Blog RicksBlog.com...Home of the "Domain King": The REAL story behind the flowers.mobi purchase

:lol:

 

[vincenzo]

Is .vid more meaningful then .tv ?
Seriously, what's a vid ? Did a cat eat eo ?

Are you serious?!
The name vid is easily adapted to short name for 'video' same as TV means television.
Add to that the fact that television as we know it will not exist in the near future, as we will consume films and 'video' content on more devices, and less on television sets themselves.

It is also an existing video file format.
Detailed information about the .VID file

Oh come on! Give me a break ... .VID??? Well how about .TUBE or .CABLE and .PLATE .FRIDGE .ASS .MILK ... .MOBI , .TEL e.t.c.. are BS zones and everybody knows it.
:lol:

Are you not aware that many more TLD's are planned, and also ICANN is open for suggestions or sponsors for new TLD's??

We could start seeing domain names ending with industry specific tags like .travel, .food, etc. and city specific tags like .nyc, .paris, .la etc. There is no end to it and ICANN hasn’t limited the words that can be applied for either to see what the industry will come up with.

ICANN Says Yes You Can To More TLDs | ShanKrila

ICANN | New gTLD Program - Openness Change Innovation
ICANN | New gTLD Program - News & Updates

It is all very plausible, that's all I wanted to raise.

- Vincent

 

[cabletv]

Are you serious?!
The name vid is easily adapted to short name for 'video' same as TV means television.
Add to that the fact that television as we know it will not exist in the near future, as we will consume films and 'video' content on more devices, and less on television sets themselves.

It is also an existing video file format.
Detailed information about the .VID file



Are you not aware that many more TLD's are planned, and also ICANN is open for suggestions or sponsors for new TLD's??


ICANN Says Yes You Can To More TLDs | ShanKrila

ICANN | New gTLD Program - Openness Change Innovation
ICANN | New gTLD Program - News & Updates

It is all very plausible, that's all I wanted to raise.

- Vincent

.VID .TV BIG difference! ICANN didnt approve .SPORT but they approved .ski, .surf, .bike, .board & .skate Capital BS regarding the whole stunt on these crazy and UN marketable TLD's . This is about making money on registering Top Level domains and these companies will fail on the scale of registrations. Nokia, Microsoft and Vodafone should have made a deal with ALL the software for phones and Cell/Samrtphone manufacturers that ALL internet traffic going through those mobiles would only work with .MOBI, then they would have had something ... Too greedy probably or just thought that because they are Nokia - Microsoft - Vodafone they can pull it off without Apple, Google, Samsung, Motorola AT&T e.t.c... GREED! And ICANN is the most greedy of them all. Why all those BS zones when you can have just 1 .SPORT ... So me, I dont believe in any of those zones! Just throwing money away. Just like I would rather register 1 Premium .TV then 30 Hand Reg - Reg Fee domains. Just my 2 "Dollars" (Cents) :lol:

 

[Animator]

Are you not aware that many more TLD's are planned, and also ICANN is open for suggestions or sponsors for new TLD's??

This is the reason why i prefer ccTLDs over gTLDs:

With gTLD, any registrar can create a made-up dot something for the buck while ccTLD, it's all about the popularity of a country or it's meaning.

I'll rather have .CO .US .CN .CA .TV .IN .JP .KR .RU ...ect

Then a DOT made-up english word. IMO

If i had the power to create gTLDs, it would be .earth .mars .moon .space and .universe

Unfortunately E.Ts wound't understand the language. :lol:

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.mobi .info .jobs .name .edu .pro .int .biz .gov .asia .arpa .coop .travel .tel .museum .aero .cat

All these are just useless extensions for registrars to get more money out of you.

What's next ? .ink .tld .corp .web .blog .www .3d .world .dog .pig ............ .COW ?

Do we need more of these made up TLDs ?

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There are 196 countries in the world and therefore, it is limited to 196 ccTLDs. No more, no less, they are "immortal".

- A ccTLD to be successful depends of two thing: "Population" (example: .CN .IN .JP .US ...) and/or "Meaningfulness" (example: .TV .ME .CO .WS ...)

- I personally prefer ccTLDs over gTLDs because they are not "made-up" words and they are 2 letters long.

 

[cabletv]

Are you serious?!
The name vid is easily adapted to short name for 'video' same as TV means television.
Add to that the fact that television as we know it will not exist in the near future, as we will consume films and 'video' content on more devices, and less on television sets themselves.

It is also an existing video file format.
Detailed information about the .VID file



Are you not aware that many more TLD's are planned, and also ICANN is open for suggestions or sponsors for new TLD's??


ICANN Says Yes You Can To More TLDs | ShanKrila

ICANN | New gTLD Program - Openness Change Innovation
ICANN | New gTLD Program - News & Updates

It is all very plausible, that's all I wanted to raise.

- Vincent

P.S.

VeriSign has milked everything they could out of .COM .... .NET is living its own life and growing in its own way ... what else do they have .... .TV!!! They control .COM and probably ICANN too in many ways that we dont know about, so this zone has its path and is being controled and moved by the company that controls most of the internet. They will get .TV to its new level, believe me. So what, that people in other countries go to their own CCTLD sites, but im sure that 99.9% of them visit .COM .NET sites every day and 50% probably end up on .TV sites every week in the last few years or so ... and this will grow more and more ... And ask yourself people from England ... do you visit .RU, .COM.UA, .DE, .BE domains 50% every week??? ... or people from Spain, do they visit .co.uk, .gr, .cy or .fr domains 50% a week??? the answer is NO! I would not call .TV a CCTLD and I would say out of all the alternative zones out there (not counting .COM .NET .ORG e.t.c..) this is the zone with the biggest FUTURE!

 

[Animator]

The advantages of cctlds:

- Single world domain hacks (Moto.rs, Chi.mp, Blo.gs ...ect) have the potentials to stay away from the extension war.

- Local domains (Pizza.us, Cars.jp, Store.ca ...ect) have the potential to locate themselves and stay away from the extension war.

- Phrase domain hacks (Click.me, Who.is, Link.us) have the potential to stay away from the extension war.

- Channel domains (News.tv, Cable.tv, Tech.tv) have the potential to stay away from the extension war because they make more sense to have .tv on it then .com.

- Personal domains (James.me, Mario.me, Luigi.me) have the potential to stay away from the extension war because they make more sense to have .me on it then .com.

- Company domains (Acme.co, Nike.co, Jeans.co) have the potential to stay away from the extension war because they make more sense to have .co on it.

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The disadvantages of cctlds:

- Channel domains (Shoes.tv, floor.tv, black.tv ...ect) are challenged with (Shoes.com, floor.com, black.com) some domains looks terrible in the .tv extension then others.

- Company domains (Acme.co, Nice.co, Jeans.co) are challenged with (Acme.com, Nice.com, Jeans.com) but only time will tell because people are used to .com since the 80's but .co is the real abbreviation of company and commerce.

 

[gr8trfoo]

True, until ICANN accepts .vid as a new TLD

really? so as soon as there is a .vid people around the world will suddenly not recognize .tv anymore?? i somehow doubt that. i'm surprised any sane person would try to make such an argument.

even if they came out with .video and dozen dozen others it still wouldnt undue .tv's global reconition. i wouldnt expect it to do any wonders for the .tv domainer aftermarket but thats another thing.

 

[fm1234]

posted by Animator:

There are 196 countries in the world and therefore, it is limited to 196 ccTLDs. No more, no less, they are "immortal".

Not to be a stickler for detail, but the number of countries in the world fluctuates over relatively short times, and countries cease to exist, change names etc. The idea of "no more, no less, immortal" is completely out of whack with the reality of the situation.

Note that this doesn't necessarily negate your point about ccTLD vs. gTLD; just saying that buying a ccTLD based on the idea that a given country is going to be around forever or for even a generation ignores the way the geopolitical world expands and contracts.


Frank

 

[gr8trfoo]

... some domains looks terrible in the .tv extension then others.

.com names used to look funny to. what the hell is a "com" anyway??? but the www protocol came along and the internet exploded and .com, what had been the "garbage heap" of domains became the gold standard if you wanted to brand online. it probably wouldnt not have happened had the others not been restricted until 1993.

things change.

someday domains may not even be widely used. that could happen in only a few years on the heals of some major breakthru. dont think for a second it couldnt.

so what looks funny in .tv may soon look great. all these names out there that cant be given away might be worth hundreds and thousand and even hundreds of thousands. then again that might never happen.

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As long as .tv domains don't flow cash undeveloped, the best one can do is speculate based on the positivity of resale expectation. Go look in the sale forum... How many of those names do you seriously see an end-user wanting? Very few.

A lot of 'tv domainers' are inching towards their 'leaving domaining' firesale post with every new registry. Others will probably do OK, with a scant handful doing well.

good points!

 

[Animator]

I agree. with you guys...

I have asked clueless people if they know what .COM means and heres the answer:

- Computer ?
- Command ?
- Community ?
- Communication ?
- Company ?
- Intercom ?
- Come ?
- Commission ?
- Commodore ?

Those people are non-domainers like my family members, friends and random people on the streets. Some of them doesn't understand english.

But when i tell them about .TV they all say AHHHHHHH i know that it's Television !

- Television
- Television

About the country argument, it's true. but i believe the change of a country name will take place depending of it's politic... like if someday Kim Jong ill dies and north korea becomes something else... just like USSR became russia...

I don't think .TV will cease to exist if some day the island of Tuvalu changed it's policy and become a communist country or that the island sinked.

But US will always be United States for a very long time unless the world becomes an Utopia.

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What will append to .TV if the island of Tuvalu becomes a communist country ?

.TV will change to .COM :hehe: LOOOOOOOLOLOLO

 

[gr8trfoo]

But US will always be United States for a very long time...

sure about that? with all the divisiveness and economic turmoil i see the distinct possibility of major civil unrest, and that spiraling into armed conflict and destruction unprecedented. maybe after the dust settles there might remain a nation known as the united states. who knows?

 

[Animator]

If ccTLDs aren't eternal, we can now conclude that .COM is the eternal extension ?

I always though .COM is an american thing.

 

[hgh.tv]

I believe that .tv is the future because the internet is going to become very much dominated by video. I predict in 10 years .tv will be more valuable than .com

 

[Kate]

Lots of wishful thinking on here.
As long as the major video sites like youtube etc continue to shun .tv the extension will not get the exposure that it needs.

IMO the most adequate way to gauge the market is to look at reported sales (or the lack thereof).

 

[bmugford]

There is a difference between being pro .TV and just being ridiculous.

It simply is not going to happen.

Before it passes .COM it has to pass many other extensions in terms of value and popularity.

Brad

I believe that .tv is the future because the internet is going to become very much dominated by video. I predict in 10 years .tv will be more valuable than .com

 

[DubDubDubDot]

I believe that .tv is the future because the internet is going to become very much dominated by video. I predict in 10 years .tv will be more valuable than .com

You are so wrong.

The mobile internet is going to CRUSH desktops and every single .com webmaster will be forced to buy a .mobi for thousands.

But first the entire internet is going to be in 3D and all sites will have to re-brand Google3D.com, Yahoo3D.com, eBay3D.com, etc...

And let us not forget that .tel is going to kill the phone book and their existing online listings.

See?

Your argument is made by supporters of all sorts of things.

Even if you want to assume that a suddenly all-video internet would switch to .tv, the supply of .tv domains would more than meet the demand of capable developers. Remember, you are talking about an internet that doesn't have a low bar of entry anymore. So forget about a huge demand for domains if the average site will be producing video content.

Not that it has a chance of happening or anything...

 

[Alex P]

The mobile internet is going to CRUSH desktops and every single .com webmaster will be forced to buy a .mobi for thousands.

But first the entire internet is going to be in 3D and all sites will have to re-brand Google3D.com, Yahoo3D.com, eBay3D.com, etc...

And let us not forget that .tel is going to kill the phone book and their existing online listings.

That would be to funny :lol:

Opinions in the end I guess, things are what you make of them.

 

[DnEbook]

there is no doubt that mobile will flourish , whether it's via .tv is the $64,000 question

just have a look at the bottom picture on www.3dphones.com.au

 

[Animator]

Putting a 3D + Something + .com make your domain look ugly.

What until .3D comes out.

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If in the future, all things is going to be 3D, there is no need to put 3D on every single domain because it's annoying as hell.

Where's google2d ? yahoo2d ? ebay2d ?

It's laughable.

 

[DU]

Who wants to support the move to a new extension.

.ignore

It's like a directive to search engines. Imagine the savings on forum space... the efficiency. Browsers could be programmed to "ignore" .ignore.

I'll help finance it as long as I get first dibs on

3d.ignore and TV.ignore

It will be all the wave until .devnull

This conversation has definitely peaked.

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Actually, the domain itself does play a role in SE Algos. That isn't even debatable. The magnitude of that role is heavily debated, with some people claiming it's a substantial boost, while others claiming it's a modest piece of a larger puzzle, but *everyone* agrees that exact matching keyword domains provide a SE advantage for those keywords.

For a point in time.

I understand. I was referring more to the discussions on whether it should be 3D-2DOBJECT or 3-D2DOBJECT or 3D-2D-OBJECT.. and this discussion being had as if it *really* mattered.