.tv Has the .tv market peaked?

[snoop]

I think we are seeing numerous signs to suggest the .tv may have peaked. From what I can see of it, it is fairly common for relaunched/new tlds prices peak to at the time of the major auction, when speculator interest is at its highest, and you have a whole lot of people in the market who wouldn’t normally dabble in it. I’m not sure .tv will be an exception to this rule.

The only thing to change is there is now a large number of names in the market with genuine, real value, much like other extensions. In other words it is now on a level playfield in that respect but it is still only that, "level", not tilted upwards. The exuberance has carried over into a lot of unrealistic viewpoints recently in my view,

eg

-People claim this market is just starting to warm up and will be much stronger in a year. (we’ve heard that before)
-The idea that many of these premiums will be developed (of course that will never happen and is setting the scene for later disappointment).
-People talking about “trying to keep the momentum going” and trying to organize group auctions (as though this is an engine that constantly needs top ups of fuel to prevent breakdown).
-People talking about future .tv millionaires.
-World economies seeing another shock spreading out from Europe.


If you look back a month ago that really was a market with a lot of positive elements rolled into, many factors combining that may never be repeated.

So I put this question out there, do you think the .tv market has peaked?

 

[gr8trfoo]

I predict in 10 years .tv will be more valuable than .com

for some it already is!

 

[Animator]

And let us not forget that .tel is going to kill the phone book and their existing online listings.

.tel lol the stupidest TLD every created.

 

[gr8trfoo]

.tel lol the stupidest TLD every created.

its a tossup between that and .name

 

[RPK]

my company was just at the Internet Retailer show in Chicago and there was a big booth for .shop

They seem to be launching soon. I think it will fail.

 

[freedom30]

...and .ws stands for web site!

 

[snoop]

I agree. with you guys...

I have asked clueless people if they know what .COM means and heres the answer:

- Computer ?
- Command ?
- Community ?
- Communication ?
- Company ?
- Intercom ?
- Come ?
- Commission ?
- Commodore ?

Those people are non-domainers like my family members, friends and random people on the streets. Some of them doesn't understand english.

But when i tell them about .TV they all say AHHHHHHH i know that it's Television !

If you told them about .microwave they'd probably know what that means aswell, who cares, irrelevant to actual usage.

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my company was just at the Internet Retailer show in Chicago and there was a big booth for .shop

They seem to be launching soon. I think it will fail.

Probably depends alot of whether they can keep their cost in check in my view. There will be a market (domainers) but probably not a big market). Id' say though they attended to wrong show.

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There is a difference between being pro .TV and just being ridiculous.

It simply is not going to happen.

Before it passes .COM it has to pass many other extensions in terms of value and popularity.

Brad

Go back 10 years and some speculators were making the exact same predictions, in reality .tv hasn't changed much from where it was, it is still niche rather than mainstream. In another 10 years there will be a new bunch of speculators saying the same stuff.

It is an endless cycle of hopes and dreams, the registrars rely on it to some extent in pretty much all extensions.

 

[snoop]

No worries, we're done "investing" We have our keyword domains and we're definitely not going to be poor after this. It's all about investing and developing for the future!

Given the 200 fab[keyword].com you have listed for sale in another thread I'm concerned. Contact me if you need some help.

 

[Animator]

If you told them about .microwave they'd probably know what that means aswell, who cares, irrelevant to actual usage.

The problem with .microwave is that it's an english word. My french and spanish friends won't understand it. Also, it's a very long name extension. :wave:

With .tv everyone know's what it is. Even chinese people know that a tv is..

 

[discovernow]

If you told them about .microwave they'd probably know what that means aswell, who cares, irrelevant to actual usage.

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Probably depends alot of whether they can keep their cost in check in my view. There will be a market (domainers) but probably not a big market). Id' say though they attended to wrong show.

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Go back 10 years and some speculators were making the exact same predictions, in reality .tv hasn't changed much from where it was, it is still niche rather than mainstream. In another 10 years there will be a new bunch of speculators saying the same stuff.

It is an endless cycle of hopes and dreams, the registrars rely on it to some extent in pretty much all extensions.

Your wrong again regarding .tv. I can give you some more of my examples like I did to Jeff, but your already have both "feet in your mouth" already.

 

[hgh.tv]

the dumbest domain name extension of them all is .bs

 

[gr8trfoo]

If you told them about .microwave they'd probably know what that means aswell, who cares, irrelevant to actual usage.

you missed the point. i brought this up to illustrate that originally .com became the dominant tld based entirely on its being the only one that was practically available to all comers despite that it never origianlly meant anything to most people. nowadays of course .com = "the internet".

these days it seems that for another tld to rise up it would have to mean something. the more people to whom it does mean something the more likey it is to wind up being used. this is why .tv will inevitably rise. it may take another 10 years sure. it might never get the kind of type-in that .com gets (come to think of it a lot of my .coms arnt getting type in like they used to) but it IS a highly useful brand element for those who want to do anything video related.

that doesnt mean there's going to be a lot of money to be made by domainers. let me tell ya, icann HATES domainers. always has and probably always will. they love the idea that by flooding the market with all manner of new tlds they can break the market. whether thats true or not who knows?

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in reality .tv hasn't changed much from where it was, it is still niche rather than mainstream.

can you back that up with solid figures? i'm willing to bet there are a boatload more sites using .tv now than ever before and certainly a lot more than 10 years ago. not just sites but site with traffic!

so unless you are relying solely on the opinionated qualifier "niche", which means anything YOU want it too then that statement has to be bs!


speaking of bs:

the dumbest domain name extension of them all is .bs

that was an accident. much like .tv was accidental. or was it? who was behind iso 3166??

anyway, i can imagine a plenitude of situations where a .bs would be GREAT! offshoredrilling.bs, snoop.bs, obama.bs, etc, etc.

 

[Kate]

these days it seems that for another tld to rise up it would have to mean something. the more people to whom it does mean something the more likey it is to wind up being used. this is why .tv will inevitably rise. it may take another 10 years sure.

I agree that for a TLD to be successful it has to be relevant. ccTLDs have been rising because they are relevant. But .tv is not as relevant as your own ccTLD.

it might never get the kind of type-in that .com gets (come to think of it a lot of my .coms arnt getting type in like they used to) but it IS a highly useful brand element for those who want to do anything video related.

Put it differently, it's not an all-purpose extension, so it has no particular appeal for anything else really.
I agree :bingo:

can you back that up with solid figures? i'm willing to bet there are a boatload more sites using .tv now than ever before and certainly a lot more than 10 years ago. not just sites but site with traffic!

so unless you are relying solely on the opinionated qualifier "niche", which means anything YOU want it too then that statement has to be bs!

The thing is - and you know it - registration stats are not available. It is very convenient being kept in the dark so nobody can see you have blinders on.
But assuming the extension is doing significantly better, the aftermarket should logically improve too.
So I would like to hear how the .tv 'relaunch' has improved your bottom line. I'm not seeing a lot more reported sales. There has been a short spike but presently things look like business as usual (or the lack thereof).

The pressure on the resellers has alleviated but that does not imply increased liquidity and better sales. Plus, the domain holders are still stuck with legacy premium pricing (that's the reward for customer loyalty).
Overall I believe little has changed.

 

[MicroGuy]

There has been a short spike but presently things look like business as usual (or the lack thereof).

Based on my recent market testing, this would appear to be "putting it gently". IMHO.

 

[snoop]

these days it seems that for another tld to rise up it would have to mean something. the more people to whom it does mean something the more likey it is to wind up being used. this is why .tv will inevitably rise. it may take another 10 years sure. it might never get the kind of type-in that .com gets (come to think of it a lot of my .coms arnt getting type in like they used to) but it IS a highly useful brand element for those who want to do anything video related.

This isn't a new tld that has just come out, it is 14 years old. In 10 years time people will be saying the same thing. It is is always "give it a few more years", that same is said about just about every other mediocre tld. Some people have this bad habit of putting things off forever. At some point people will have to answer the simple question as to whether .tv has worked for them or not.

that doesnt mean there's going to be a lot of money to be made by domainers. let me tell ya, icann HATES domainers. always has and probably always will. they love the idea that by flooding the market with all manner of new tlds they can break the market. whether thats true or not who knows?

You can't expect Icann to help the business of speculating in domain names.

can you back that up with solid figures?

There is no figures. Verisign won't release them. However it is very obvious the extension isn't mainstaream, if you want to believe it is, great. Write another check.

i'm willing to bet there are a boatload more sites using .tv now than ever before and certainly a lot more than 10 years ago. not just sites but site with traffic!

The entire Internet is much bigger but I don't think .tv's market share has changed, nor do I think those speculating in it have done well.

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But assuming the extension is doing significantly better, the aftermarket should logically improve too.
So I would like to hear how the .tv 'relaunch' has improved your bottom line. I'm not seeing a lot more reported sales. There has been a short spike but presently things look like business as usual (or the lack thereof).

The pressure on the resellers has alleviated but that does not imply increased liquidity and better sales. Plus, the domain holders are still stuck with legacy premium pricing (that's the reward for customer loyalty).
Overall I believe little has changed.

I think the aftermarket has improved significantly. For one-there now is an aftermarket. But it is all names that Verisign has recently released. I don't think overall domainers have made money from the situation. Some have and some likely have losses (from paying too much). That is very different from the past though where the majority of those buying higher quality names lost money.

Regarding the legacy names I think the vast majority in domainers hands will drop over time and be repriced. That will be a good thing for the health of the market.

 

[gr8trfoo]

This isn't a new tld that has just come out, it is 14 years old. In 10 years time people will be saying the same thing. It is is always "give it a few more years", that same is said about just about every other mediocre tld.

look snoop - one last time: .tv is about online video, thats the branding power it has as i see it. can we agree on this point or not?

if not then i'm finished talking with you cause there's just no point.

if yes then why is it so hard to accept the fact that online video is just now begining to become competetive with offline sources? 10 years ago there just wasnt enough bandwidth and processing power widely available to make good use of online video. its still pretty choppy today. i say that in 10 years the advances in online video technology will blow us all away. this DOES NOT neccesarily mean good things for .tv but it doesnt seem like it will hurt.

i would hardly call a .tv for online video mediocre. quite the opposite. a .vid would be mediocre, but if .tv didnt exist and thats what there was maybe users would buy it, i dont know.

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There is no figures. Verisign won't release them.

The entire Internet is much bigger but I don't think .tv's market share has changed,

oh. ok, so with no hard figures you're just making a guess then. glad we could clarify that.

However it is very obvious the extension isn't mainstaream, if you want to believe it is, great. Write another check.

again - its about online video. and too TV is pretty much universally recognized as "television". i dont see how it could be any more mainstream than that but maybe you have a different definition?? luv to hear it.

and everyone knows i write plenty of checks all the time for .tv's.

nor do I think those speculating in it have done well.

you probably are right there. and this will probably remain true. i have very few speculative positions in .tv. i'd love to see them pick up a bit and sell them into the market to recoup some fees and past losses (some pretty substantial losses by domainer standards) but i wouldnt characterize my overall interest in .tv as speculative. i have distinct plans for mine and the vast majority of my .tv's are not for sale AT ANY PRICE. i would advise anyone considering speculative purchasing to think twice.

 

[DU]

.vid would be about video

.tv is a mix of entertainment / streaming / information / advertising

I don't watch TV to see videos. This makes TV much more brandable but also much more difficult and intensive to adopt / build into something great.

I think this is what holds the extension back but is also what will ultimately make it stand out. There WILL be severe case of the Quality over Quantity in the long run.

It's why TV lends itself to certain things well but not others.

To your point on bandwidth etc.

I just had to change sign up for a hosting provider that supported FFMPEG and MENCODER. Very few work on a shared hosting plan (which is what I need for just playing around) but uiltimately requires a VPS which is minium of 3x cost of domain per month (but you can host multiple domains).

Point is. It's STILL not mainstream if you want to host your own videos and not use overpriced cloud storage.

It's getting there. I found an excellent deal if anyone is interested (send me a PM)

I believe I was late in recognizing this; however, I still have 3 domains that I think work with the extension PERFECTLY for what I want to accomplish. Two are personal sites for video delivery of content and the other is a small GEO. Very small GEO. I'm working on the principle that I can do something for a small local place that I couldn't do for a large city. And I have 2-3 that I think have obvious enduser potential - one is a Real Estate based domain and a couple of very visual ones.

I anticipate making a loss on my .TVs; however, I anticipate making a profit in terms of having a platform that works for my personal goals. My keyword.TV domain works with a .TV and would have set me back XX,XXX if it was a dot com.

After market - quality over quantity. There will be great sales AND great disappointments. I am general pro TV where 2 years ago I was laugh at .TV because the WHOLE marketing environment has changed and is evolving into something that I think will work better than .com and any new .TLD for SOME cases.

 

[gr8trfoo]

I agree that for a TLD to be successful it has to be relevant. ccTLDs have been rising because they are relevant. But .tv is not as relevant as your own ccTLD.

since when is .tv actually a cctld? yeah technically sure. but does anyone see a .tv and think "tuvalu".

this is really old ground. i think you've already said the very same thing here many times before and the response, mine and others, has always been about the same.

Put it differently, it's not an all-purpose extension, so it has no particular appeal for anything else really.
I agree

i've never maintained that it was an all purpose extentsion. obviously .tv says tv. but then again i ask you - is there anything, any product or service that cant have its story told on a video???

The thing is - and you know it - registration stats are not available. It is very convenient being kept in the dark so nobody can see you have blinders on.

no - and mere registration stats wouldnt prove anything anyway. but i've seen people trot out alexa and quantcast stats before. there must be a way to positively identify whether or not there is more traffic and time spent going to .tv sites then there was 10 years ago and whether that figure beats the internet as a whole or not

still doesnt mean that .tv is going to be a pot of gold for lucky domainers. maybe a fortunate few who were able to snatch up some goldrushies for pennies. lol. as much as i disagree with y'all naysayers on most technical points i'm in agreement on the difficulties most will find trying to make a buck. .com shines because there's a s***ton of type-in. everything else gets what falls off the s***wagon.

and thats the way it is.

 

[Kate]

since when is .tv actually a cctld? yeah technically sure. but does anyone see a .tv and think "tuvalu".

this is really old ground. i think you've already said the very same thing here many times before and the response, mine and others, has always been about the same.

The fact remains that it is a ccTLD. It has no local market of its own so it's in the same position as .cc but with more branding appeal.
Old ground I dunno. I would say some people are stuck in a past where .tv looked more promising. But things don 't always pan out as anticipated.
As Snoop says, the extension has been around for over a decade. At some point you have to question the "give it a few more years" attitude.

i've never maintained that it was an all purpose extentsion.

I have to wonder because I sense a lot of reluctance in this thread to admit it's a niche TLD.
If it's neither a niche TLD nor all-purpose, what is it.

obviously .tv says tv. but then again i ask you - is there anything, any product or service that cant have its story told on a video???

Maybe, maybe not. I don't need a purpose-specific TLD for that.

still doesnt mean that .tv is going to be a pot of gold for lucky domainers. maybe a fortunate few who were able to snatch up some goldrushies for pennies. lol.

Hint: there is money in ccTLDs. But in the more established ones, not those that are vanity items.

 

[donnied79]

.tv is a CCTld.
When NBA advertise NBA.TV during the finals it's because they strongly believe that Tuvalu it's the future for their business.

 

[freedom30]

.tv is here and it ain't going away.

We(the naysayers, cheerleaders, speculators and the like) will be long gone and .tv will still be here in cyberspace...just like it should be, so the weeping and gnashing of naysayer teeth amuses me more than upsets me. Weep on...

.tv - I like it!

It hasn't peaked yet, looks like.