Examiner.com gets renewed will GoDaddy ever fix their auctions?

[equity78]

Well it looks like Examiner.com got renewed, the auction was over $131,000 and earlier today the name got renewed. While typing in Examiner.com I get a security warning. Whois updated Registrant Name: Domain Manager Registrant Organization: Axs Digital Media Group, LLC Registrant Address: Co, US Creation Date: September 13, 1994 Update Date: October 30, 2019 […]

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[equity78]

GoDaddy changed two years ago, everyone should read the thread here, as there is a lot of back and forth, Paul and Joe explain a lot. Joe also explains GoDaddy cannot control registrar partners, the new rules are only for GoDaddy names. Enom allows names to be recovered after the auction ends, Name.com has different rules, Domain.com does and so on, etc...

Good morning,

We are making a change to our domain name expiry process and wanted to give you enough notice to make decisions on your portfolio. GoDaddy is changing the domain renewal timeline from 42 to 30 days for most domains. Based on our research, less than 1% of our customers renew after 30 days.

Starting Dec 4, the following changes will happen to expired domain names:
* After Day 5 of expiration, DNS, email, hosting, redirecting and any other DNS-dependent services will be interrupted and stop working.
* After Day 30 of expiration, domain names are no longer able to be renewed or transferred away.

We wanted to give a heads -up so you have enough notice to make decisions on your portfolio. As always please don't hesitate to reach out with any questions.

Thanks,

https://www.namepros.com/threads/godaddy-domain-name-expiry-changes.1051138/#post-6445524

 

[NickB]

Here was the back and forth last night

Paul tweeted again when I asked can it be renewed:

Not sure how many days post expiry it is, but if its after 30, then not without extenuating circumstances.

I replied:

No Paul this one is weird created because the expiry and create are not in unison Creation Date: September 13, 1994 Expires: October 2, 2020 But it's not 30 days yet. What would extenuating circumstances be if it were 30 days after?



Now Paul replied

Cant enumerate all possible issues that could come up (death or other hardships as an example). I'm not a fan of zero-tolerance policies; there should always be room for nuance.

To which I replied

Jane Both's daughter has a different story on your policies https://www.thedomains.com/2018/01/22/lady-responsible-blockchain-names-idea-godaddy/#comment-231424 She roasted GoDaddy

Section 7 of their T&C's

"For domain names that are registered with GoDaddy but designated as Expired Domain Names and listed using the Auction format, change of ownership will not be completed until forty five (45) days after the original date of expiration (approximately ten (10) days after the close of the Auction).

 

[Keith]

Here was the back and forth last night

Paul tweeted again when I asked can it be renewed:

Not sure how many days post expiry it is, but if its after 30, then not without extenuating circumstances.

I replied:

No Paul this one is weird created because the expiry and create are not in unison Creation Date: September 13, 1994 Expires: October 2, 2020 But it's not 30 days yet. What would extenuating circumstances be if it were 30 days after?



Now Paul replied

Cant enumerate all possible issues that could come up (death or other hardships as an example). I'm not a fan of zero-tolerance policies; there should always be room for nuance.

To which I replied

Jane Both's daughter has a different story on your policies https://www.thedomains.com/2018/01/22/lady-responsible-blockchain-names-idea-godaddy/#comment-231424 She roasted GoDaddy

So someone who controls examiner.com died? Otherwise there aren’t extenuating circumstances and allowing a renewal is bad business.

 

[equity78]

So someone who controls examiner.com died? Otherwise there aren’t extenuating circumstances and allowing a renewal is bad business.

No Keith, the domain was not expired past 30 days, any name not 30 days expired can be renewed. The auction starts day 26

 

[TERADOMAIN]

I believe that registrars should not be allowed to profit from expired domains. How’s that for an opinion?!

Godaddy's own expired name auction start on 24th day after expiration. Its 10 days auction. So if name passed 30 days grace period then it can't be renewed.

For example Vomit.com is new expired name from Godaddy itself.

It was expired on 6th October 2019.

Auction start date is 30th October 2019.

Now it has 9 days 22 hours left.

Name can still be renewed upto November 5th approximately. So if name pass that time frame of 30 days after expiration then it can't be renewed.

I hope this info it little helpful to you as well as all other friends on NP.

Thanks

 

[equity78]

@bmugford summed it up perfectly

Some thoughts on this -

1.) The change certainly doesn't seem all that beneficial to registrants in my view. While it might be rare domains are redeemed after day 30, it does happen and sometimes for very valid reasons like illness.

2.) This is a massive change to registrant's rights to only give (3) weeks notice, especially if it has was being worked on for a year as Paul said above.

3.) This change will obviously stop the free appraisal game where an owner will let the domain expire then transfer it out after it ends. It will also stop after the auction bidder circumvention.

4.) If the auction schedule is not being changed, it means it will still go to auction on day 26. That gives the registrant 4-5 days after it goes to auction where they can still renew it.

5.) For a multi-billion dollar company with massive resources, I am not sure why GoDaddy can't figure out the timing when it comes to auctions. Other venues like NameJet that deal in expired domains when the auction starts it can no longer be redeemed. If the redemption period is 30 days, why not start the auction after that period?

Brad

 

[Keith]

No Keith, the domain was not expired past 30 days, any name not 30 days expired can be renewed. The auction starts day 26

I get that. It is my understanding though that once an expired domain receives a bid it is not renewable.
So good to know I can contact registrants of expired domains to buy straight up!

 

[equity78]

I get that. It is my understanding though that once an expired domain receives a bid it is not renewable.
So good to know I can contact registrants of expired domains to buy straight up!

No that was never the rule, because 1 bid can happen day 26, their tos says you have til day 30.

Keith people are contacting these people every day, I have heard of people hiring interns or assistants to make calls. Any good name at GoDaddy expiring is getting a million calls.

Plus there are some and a few were members here, who contact everyone not looking to make money, but as one told me many years ago, "I just don't want them to rip off these business owners that built something for pennies on the dollar"

 

[Keith]

No that was never the rule, because 1 bid can happen day 26, their tos says you have til day 30.

Cool, so I have 4 days beyond expiry to track down owners and make offers. This is fantastic news!

The best part is that godaddy can’t accuse me of circumventing an auction because it’s not legally binding for the first stint!!

 

[TERADOMAIN]

Cool, so I have 4 days beyond expiry to track down owners and make offers. This is fantastic news!

Little correction.

Auction start date is approximately 24th day..

You may have 6 days approximately after auction start to look for owner.

Thanks

 

[equity78]

No that was never the rule, because 1 bid can happen day 26, their tos says you have til day 30.

Cool, so I have 4 days beyond expiry to track down owners and make offers. This is fantastic news!

You got a lot of company.

 

[equity78]

Little correction.

Auction start date is approximately 24th day..

You may have 6 days approximately after auction start to look for owner.

Thanks

I believe it's 26

 

[TERADOMAIN]

I believe it's 26

Vomit.com expired on October 6th.

Its confusing sometimes. 24th to 26th day. Hard to understand sometimes.

Thanks

 

[Keith]

You got a lot of company.

I built my portfolio on this model, well before people caught on. Then godaddy tried to say I was circumventing the auction process. Now that it’s clear in the rule book, I’ll go after newly expired domains all day.

 

[equity78]

Vomit.com expired on October 6th.

Its confusing sometimes. 24th to 26th day. Hard to understand sometimes.

Thanks

Yeah you are right, they can't even get that right. Because Tik.net expired 9/26 started 10/21 others work out to 24 days and others 26.

 

[equity78]

I built my portfolio on this model, well before people caught on. Then godaddy tried to say I was circumventing the auction process. Now that it’s clear in the rule book, I’ll go after newly expired domains all day.

Oh sure, I knew guys who had teams a decade ago, GoDaddy will still ban if they find out and reading the forum might not be a help because they will be looking out for people.

 

[Keith]

Oh sure, I knew guys who had teams a decade ago, GoDaddy will still ban if they find out and reading the forum might not be a help because they will be looking out for people.

If a domain can be renewed at any point, it’s not the property of godaddy. I’d challenge their system in court any day if they tried to manipulate my account.

 

[equity78]

If a domain can be renewed at any point, it’s not the property of godaddy. I’d challenge their system in court any day if they tried to manipulate my account.

It would be interesting to challenge I think someone could win but have not looked at it completely. Would the juice be worth squeeze if it wasn't a six figure domain?

I remember when DU went after you in the L7 thread, did you get your account back?

https://www.namepros.com/threads/l7-com-sells-for-60k.927190/page-3#post-5382214

 

[Keith]

It would be interesting to challenge I think someone could win but have not looked at it completely. Would the juice be worth squeeze if it wasn't a six figure domain?

I remember when DU went after you in the L7 thread, did you get your account back?

https://www.namepros.com/threads/l7-com-sells-for-60k.927190/page-3#post-5382214

Yes, my auction standings are good. They were 100% wrong in that case btw. They accused me of circumventing an auction that I did not bid in. Go figure...

 

[equity78]

Yes, my auction standings are good. They were 100% wrong in that case btw. They accused me of circumventing an auction that I did not bid in. Go figure...

Oh that's good, and yes you do have to wonder what do they think they are standing on? The domain doesn't belong to them, and let's be honest someone could not be a customer and do this all the time, they have no means against anyone like that.