Examiner.com gets renewed will GoDaddy ever fix their auctions?

[equity78]

Well it looks like Examiner.com got renewed, the auction was over $131,000 and earlier today the name got renewed. While typing in Examiner.com I get a security warning. Whois updated Registrant Name: Domain Manager Registrant Organization: Axs Digital Media Group, LLC Registrant Address: Co, US Creation Date: September 13, 1994 Update Date: October 30, 2019 […]

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[Keith]

I believe that registrars should not be allowed to profit from expired domains. How’s that for an opinion?!

 

[TERADOMAIN]

Hi,

I did suggest them to start auction after it past grace period.

But they always come up with some nice excuse and think all other traders are fool. They don't know what is going on.

They only care for their own agenda. They take their powerful position in domain market for granted.

But what if Google & Amazon come into the space??

GM was #1 company in 2001 and filed bankruptcy in 2008.

Kodak was # 4 company in early 2000 and filed for bankruptcy later.

The company who do not listen to their customer and start taking their position for granted will suffer big time sooner or later.

Thanks

 

[equity78]

Hi,

@equity78 no it won't happen. I did talked about same thing in past. They won't change anything.

Thanks

Agree, it just looks bad because they have lost a lot of trust in the product.

 

[equity78]

Hi,

I did suggest them to start auction after it past grace period.

But they always come up with some nice excuse and think all other traders are fool. They don't know what is going on.

They only care for their own agenda. They take their powerful position in domain market for granted.

But what if Google & Amazon come into the space??

GM was #1 company in 2001 and filed bankruptcy in 2008.

Kodak was # 4 company in early 2000 and filed for bankruptcy later.

The company who do not listen to their customer and start taking their position for granted will suffer big time sooner or later.

Thanks

What I think the biggest thing is the inconsistencies as I pointed out before between Dispute.com and 6666666.com, how those auctions were handled were not in anyway consistent with their policy.

They do have a complex road to navigate when they auction off other registrars domains because they cannot dictate to them what their grace periods and redemption are. Now you wonder why they don't make them change their terms to be universal with theirs, if those registrars had their own auction platform with a large following they would not use GoDaddy, so they need GoDaddy more than GoDaddy needs their business.

 

[equity78]

I believe that registrars should not be allowed to profit from expired domains. How’s that for an opinion?!

A lot of people have that opinion, I believe the opinion of GoDaddy and other registrars is "We don't care what domain investors think" It was something they lucked into, ICANN never meant for them to get rich off this.

 

[TERADOMAIN]

I believe that registrars should not be allowed to profit from expired domains. How’s that for an opinion?!

Godaddy's own expired name auction start on 24th day after expiration. Its 10 days auction. So if name passed 30 days grace period then it can't be renewed.

For example Vomit.com is new expired name from Godaddy itself.

It was expired on 6th October 2019.

Auction start date is 30th October 2019.

Now it has 9 days 22 hours left.

Name can still be renewed upto November 5th approximately. So if name pass that time frame of 30 days after expiration then it can't be renewed.

I hope this info it little helpful to you as well as all other friends on NP.

Thanks

 

[Soofi]

I had pointed out of price correction, but look what just happened!

Who is to be held accountable for so many lost hours of time and effort on research work + bidding? @GoDaddy ?

 

[equity78]

How was it renewed? I thought once an expired auction started it was too late at that point. The domain is registered at godaddy as well.

No only after 30 days, there is a 4 to 5 day window of an auction running and the ability to renew.

 

[Keith]

No only after 30 days, there is a 4 to 5 day window of an auction running and the ability to renew.

That is not my understanding. I believe the new rule is, once an expired domain receives a bid, it’s not renewable @Joe Styler

 

[branding]

I believe that registrars should not be allowed to profit from expired domains. How’s that for an opinion?!

I dunno... What I do know is that they shouldn't be auctioning off names that can still be renewed. Everyone is doing it but that doesn't make it right.

 

[equity78]

That is not my understanding. I believe the new rule is, once an expired domain receives a bid, it’s not renewable @Joe Styler

Here was the back and forth last night

Paul tweeted again when I asked can it be renewed:

Not sure how many days post expiry it is, but if its after 30, then not without extenuating circumstances.

I replied:

No Paul this one is weird created because the expiry and create are not in unison Creation Date: September 13, 1994 Expires: October 2, 2020 But it's not 30 days yet. What would extenuating circumstances be if it were 30 days after?



Now Paul replied

Cant enumerate all possible issues that could come up (death or other hardships as an example). I'm not a fan of zero-tolerance policies; there should always be room for nuance.

To which I replied

Jane Both's daughter has a different story on your policies https://www.thedomains.com/2018/01/22/lady-responsible-blockchain-names-idea-godaddy/#comment-231424 She roasted GoDaddy

 

[NickB]

Asked for their T&C's - the rep sent them with the below comment

https://uk.godaddy.com/legal/agreements/auctions-membership-agreement

"Take a look at section 6 at the very end: If the Expired Domain Name is reclaimed by the original registrant, GoDaddy will refund the full purchase price"

 

[equity78]

GoDaddy changed two years ago, everyone should read the thread here, as there is a lot of back and forth, Paul and Joe explain a lot. Joe also explains GoDaddy cannot control registrar partners, the new rules are only for GoDaddy names. Enom allows names to be recovered after the auction ends, Name.com has different rules, Domain.com does and so on, etc...

Good morning,

We are making a change to our domain name expiry process and wanted to give you enough notice to make decisions on your portfolio. GoDaddy is changing the domain renewal timeline from 42 to 30 days for most domains. Based on our research, less than 1% of our customers renew after 30 days.

Starting Dec 4, the following changes will happen to expired domain names:
* After Day 5 of expiration, DNS, email, hosting, redirecting and any other DNS-dependent services will be interrupted and stop working.
* After Day 30 of expiration, domain names are no longer able to be renewed or transferred away.

We wanted to give a heads -up so you have enough notice to make decisions on your portfolio. As always please don't hesitate to reach out with any questions.

Thanks,

https://www.namepros.com/threads/godaddy-domain-name-expiry-changes.1051138/#post-6445524

 

[equity78]

@bmugford summed it up perfectly

Some thoughts on this -

1.) The change certainly doesn't seem all that beneficial to registrants in my view. While it might be rare domains are redeemed after day 30, it does happen and sometimes for very valid reasons like illness.

2.) This is a massive change to registrant's rights to only give (3) weeks notice, especially if it has was being worked on for a year as Paul said above.

3.) This change will obviously stop the free appraisal game where an owner will let the domain expire then transfer it out after it ends. It will also stop after the auction bidder circumvention.

4.) If the auction schedule is not being changed, it means it will still go to auction on day 26. That gives the registrant 4-5 days after it goes to auction where they can still renew it.

5.) For a multi-billion dollar company with massive resources, I am not sure why GoDaddy can't figure out the timing when it comes to auctions. Other venues like NameJet that deal in expired domains when the auction starts it can no longer be redeemed. If the redemption period is 30 days, why not start the auction after that period?

Brad

 

[Keith]

No Keith, the domain was not expired past 30 days, any name not 30 days expired can be renewed. The auction starts day 26

I get that. It is my understanding though that once an expired domain receives a bid it is not renewable.
So good to know I can contact registrants of expired domains to buy straight up!

 

[Keith]

You got a lot of company.

I built my portfolio on this model, well before people caught on. Then godaddy tried to say I was circumventing the auction process. Now that it’s clear in the rule book, I’ll go after newly expired domains all day.

 

[wwwweb]

maybe that’s why examiner.com was able to be redeemed with many bids active, threat of legal action, and if they prevailed it would set a precedent.

I have been told first hand on day 24 when my name was in auction with bid, and I was willing to pay the $90 redemption fee it was not possible because this one pesky bid. I had to pay a few hundred to win it back in auction.

I see many people here saying once a domain has a bid in auction it can’t be redeemed which is what I have seen first hand, but some people are making the days remaining argument, so I have no idea what the rules really are.

It seems as domains get more popular the rules get harder for the registrants to reclaim their domains.

As stub mentioned that day 43 which nobody really talks about.

 

[equity78]

So not sure what the rules are at GoDaddy. I just transferred into Epik Clipville.com. Expired 9/27.



24/7 Support: +1 (480) 505-8877

Raymond Hackney —

We successfully completed your domain transfer.


The following domains have been moved from GoDaddy to another registrar:

clipville.com

If you have any other questions, call our support team at +1 (480) 505-8877.

Nothing special did not call anyone, just transferred it at Epik was done in 10 minutes.

 

[equity78]

But you had to have unlocked the name, even if you had downloaded all the auth codes beforehand.

So, the access is still required. I assume he might not have given the login/password, as they wouldn't need GD for access in that scenario (unless 2FA and phone not retained)

Yes, I basically unlocked this name on 10/13 and had the authcode sent, then I thought maybe I won't renew it and then just did it to test this 30 day or later theory, I mean it was at GoDaddy auctions with 1day and 12 hours left but I don't think any bids.

 

[TERADOMAIN]

Hi,

@equity78 no it won't happen. I did talked about same thing in past. They won't change anything.

Thanks

 

[equity78]

That is not my understanding. I believe the new rule is, once an expired domain receives a bid, it’s not renewable @Joe Styler

No it's not and Paul Nicks even said it last night on Twitter. He said it could even be renewed after 30 days if extenuating circumstances.

 

[NickB]

Here was the back and forth last night

Paul tweeted again when I asked can it be renewed:

Not sure how many days post expiry it is, but if its after 30, then not without extenuating circumstances.

I replied:

No Paul this one is weird created because the expiry and create are not in unison Creation Date: September 13, 1994 Expires: October 2, 2020 But it's not 30 days yet. What would extenuating circumstances be if it were 30 days after?



Now Paul replied

Cant enumerate all possible issues that could come up (death or other hardships as an example). I'm not a fan of zero-tolerance policies; there should always be room for nuance.

To which I replied

Jane Both's daughter has a different story on your policies https://www.thedomains.com/2018/01/22/lady-responsible-blockchain-names-idea-godaddy/#comment-231424 She roasted GoDaddy

Section 7 of their T&C's

"For domain names that are registered with GoDaddy but designated as Expired Domain Names and listed using the Auction format, change of ownership will not be completed until forty five (45) days after the original date of expiration (approximately ten (10) days after the close of the Auction).

 

[equity78]

I get that. It is my understanding though that once an expired domain receives a bid it is not renewable.
So good to know I can contact registrants of expired domains to buy straight up!

No that was never the rule, because 1 bid can happen day 26, their tos says you have til day 30.

Keith people are contacting these people every day, I have heard of people hiring interns or assistants to make calls. Any good name at GoDaddy expiring is getting a million calls.

Plus there are some and a few were members here, who contact everyone not looking to make money, but as one told me many years ago, "I just don't want them to rip off these business owners that built something for pennies on the dollar"

 

[Keith]

No that was never the rule, because 1 bid can happen day 26, their tos says you have til day 30.

Cool, so I have 4 days beyond expiry to track down owners and make offers. This is fantastic news!

The best part is that godaddy can’t accuse me of circumventing an auction because it’s not legally binding for the first stint!!