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Anyone here using NameSilo and Epik? How does Epik compare to NameSilo? Interested in hearing from those with hands-on experience regarding pros and especially cons with consideration for the following:

- I don't want domain privacy

- not interested in their "marketplaces"

- not interested in registrar's DNS management / domain parking

- not interested in ccTLD's and new gTLD's offerings


- interested in admin panel convenient for managing domains in the thousands

- interested in robust multiple sub-accounts / user management

- interested in reselling

- interested in convenient domain "push" process between accounts


So far leaning towards Epik because of their competitive, fixed standard .COM pricing (for NP members), proactive "can do" support and domaining-centric environment and suite of additional services

*** Note: NOT INTERESTED in any other registrars - already have accounts with and tried most of them out and formed an opinion ***
 
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Is Epik's pricing of .com for $8.10 just for the first domain? Or all .com domains?
I picked up 1 last night. Now I want to get another and it is showing at $10 for a new .com.
Update.. now is showing up for $8.49...still not $8.10, though.
Just contact Epik support and ask for your account to be priced at the Namepros special pricing.
 
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Do you have to do that after every purchase? I had done that already, which brought the price down to $8.10 for my first purchase.
But, I'll try again. Maybe it will stick this time.
I only had to do it once and I've transferred 2000 domains to them.
 
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Email from Epik...


Dear Epik customer,
You are receiving this message because you are part of a select group of investors and large portfolio holders for which we offer registrations, renewals and transfers at base cost for certain TLDs - most notably .com.

Epik has such an offer in place because we understand every time you advertise and sell a domain through our Marketplace, you bring a new customer to us. It's our way of thanking you for your continued support.

We have always lived to the spirit of the offer, meaning we charged you the exact same amount we were charged by the registry. This resulted in a slight loss to Epik after payment processing fees.

Recently, however, we had a surge in fees charged by one of our payment processors, and honoring the deal without slight adjustments is not viable anymore. Therefore, effective immediately we are raising .com registration, renewal and transfer prices from $8.10 to $8.49.

We understand this change may impact negatively on your financial planning, thus we are making an one-time offer for those clients who would like to register, renew or transfer .com at old prices. For doing so, please deposit funds to your account in any amount by sending a wire transfer or Bitcoin, and reach Matheus Leite at (edited to remove email address). You will receive a $0.39 bonus credit to your account for each registration, renewal or transfer that you do using the funds sent.

In the upcoming months, we will work on developing a solution to allow different pricing schemes depending on the payment method that you select. When this is ready, we will be able to lower prices again.

We thank you for understanding this was a necessary change, and apologize for any inconvenience caused.

Regards,
Epik
 
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Missed it by that much...

I only got one $8.10. A few hours later, couldn't get it for another purchase. Dammit. I hate sudden price jumps.
 
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Missed it by that much...I only got one $8.10 . . . Dammit. I hate sudden price jumps.

Wow, your timing : bummer : Had my account for months, yet I did only a single COM transfer just to test the process. I am still playing transfer hop so my plan was to end up at Epik in a year or two.

Epik still has the best options for me for escrow - my plan is to quick transfer any names to Epik after I get legit offers, just to simplify the sales process and be able to use Epik Escrow, the zero fees will offset the 39 cent difference easily (OK technically for any sale >$26 LOL) Even my IO, bigger price difference for transfer than other registrars, the benefits easily outweigh the minor cost difference when a sale is pending.

@robepik - Here's some options, I'm sure you're already working on : grin :
Long ago, I used to send Money Orders by postal mail to enom, and they would apply funding with zero fees, hilariously old school and it took a week or two until it cleared for them to apply, yet it worked. And I have a couple companies I can go to their bank and make a cash deposit and send my account number and receipt to verify and get funded that way (no good for Int'l)
 
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...At the end of the day, Epik is still the best deal around. With all-inclusive $8.10 .COM and a fantastic bundle of value-added services included at no additional cost. However, we do need our clients to cooperate and put these PayPal opportunists out of business. Enough is enough. #StopUsingPaypal
You might want to consider separating transaction fees from your domain pricing. Specifically, keep the price unchanged irrespective of client's mode of payment and add respective fees, depending on payment method selected at checkout. Same thing when registering one domain or adding funds to the account. FYI, this is what some of your competitors have been doing for years.
 
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@robepik - since direct CC transactions are not subject to PP fees do you plan to include these as well ?
Actually, CC transactions are also subject to substantial fees, albeit lower than PayPal's.
I don't use BTC & I'm European so wire / Chase or Wells Fargo is out of the question.
Same here!

How about adding Alipay to your funding/payment mix?
 
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Nice - good to know!
Looking forward for the announcement.
Not in a big hurry. I'll have a lot more activity around June / July. Hopefully it will all be public by then.
 
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As long as the domain is 60+ days old, there is no problem to transfer these domains in. Feel free to PM me if you are needing help with a specific case and we'll assist.

Hi Rob,

there is definetely no way to opt out of the 60days lock
when you transfer IN a domain ( .com )

why don't you just have it as default option
-to be DE checked if not wanted-

that is the way unireg does it
and I like it
 
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Hi Rob,

there is definetely no way to opt out of the 60days lock
when you transfer IN a domain ( .com )

why don't you just have it as default option
-to be DE checked if not wanted-

that is the way unireg does it
and I like it

We'll update that. We are just going along with the ICANN mandate but with a workaround. That 60 day rule just needs to go away altogether. Will be at GDD Summit in Madrid May 9-11 and will gauge sentiment there for dropping this silly rule altogether. Friction of any kind is not helpful to the industry.
 
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Is this still in the works?

Yes, still something we are looking at. We have some other things ahead of this project on our priority list, but is still something we are seriously considering.
 
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Any plans to add whois lookup/ip logs? epik has this feature.
I didn't know people could do that. Going to be careful whoising Epik-based domains now, since it may give their owners some big idea.
 
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I don't know what you mean
Like most internet users out there nowadays, my internet connection is using dynamic IP, which may change like daily. So when I am interested in a domain and checking its WHOIS again and again for a while, thinking whether I should approach the owner with an offer, the owner may see that as queries from many different IPs and think that maybe there is some kind of huge corporation being interested in this domain, while its just me. And then they'll ignore my humble domain reseller offer, thinking that they could be about to receive one from a huge corporation :xf.eek:
 
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Like most internet users out there nowadays, my internet connection is using dynamic IP, which may change like daily. So when I am interested in a domain and checking its WHOIS again and again for a while, thinking whether I should approach the owner with an offer, the owner may see that as queries from many different IPs and think that maybe there is some kind of huge corporation being interested in this domain, while its just me. And then they'll ignore my humble domain reseller offer, thinking that they could be about to receive one from a huge corporation :xf.eek:

Yup I too have the same Question?

This is a useful whois check stuff created to be helpful for Domainers at Epik yet would this stuff not mislead people
 
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that is correct. Domainers can request an at-cost account. Since it is truly cost, we prefer accounts to be funded via bank deposit, but that is more of a courtesy and not enforced. Just be aware that it is truly cost: registry + ICANN fee. Accounting for payment processing, these at-cost accounts actually generate a transactional loss for Epik despite being full-service and all-inclusive. The logic for doing this is that our profits come from selling to end-users. When a domainer sells to an end-user, we gain a profitable customer. So, we can afford to service domainers as inventory partners. Unconventional, but it works out. it is essentially a market-development expense. We rather pass some savings to domainers than buy a Super Bowl Ad.

https://www.namepros.com/posts/5833227/

The supported methods of sending and receiving funds to/from Epik for an escrow transaction are:

Credit Card
PayPal
ACH
Wire
Bitcoin
Paper check
Western Union

If the seller chooses to use funds within Epik, there is no fee. The proceeds are deposited to the seller's Epik balance without fee. If funds are disbursed, then the fee depends on the transaction size and the payment method that was used. It is never more than 5%. For a wire transaction, it is 1.5%, and can be even lower for a large transaction.

For smaller transactions, e.g. under $2500, most folks will simply use our domain marketplace. In this case, the domain is on Epik registrar. The buyer is able to then purchase (or lease) the domain from our marketplace at which time (1) the domain instantly moves to the buyer's Epik account, and (2) the proceed from the sale are instantly deposited to the seller's Masterbucks account. Once funds are deposited, these funds are instantly available for use from within the Epik account without fee.

Specific to China transactions, our marketplace is busy with China transactions all day long. The interface does have a Chinese language version and support is 24/7. We are looking to add Chinese native staff in the next few months, or potentially a China-based acquisition. In the meantime, we have had no problem processing marketplace and escrow transactions for Chinese customers. If someone needs something special, they should contact us to discuss.

Since I also received other questions via email, I will go ahead and address those here as well:

Why does Epik offer this service?
We have offered this service as a convenience for customers for years now. We have done some fairly exotic transactions, combining payment methods, structuring payments, splitting disbursements, bundling domains and websites, etc. Many people who come to us have reported that Escrow.com was not flexible, too slow, or unable to process an escrow transaction in the manner that buyer or seller needed.

What is the benefit for Epik to complete an escrow transaction or marketplace sale without a fee?
The main benefit for Epik is that it is what in marketing language is called a "Point of entry". When a domain owner sells a domain to a new end-user, we gain a new (retail) client. Since domain investors generally get everything from Epik at or near cost, our margins have to come from serving end-users, typically through a bundle of services such as domain, hosting, development, SSL certs, etc.

Why can buyer and seller trust Epik?
Escrow transactions are fundamentally a trust issue, so it is a fair question. After all, both buyer and seller are depositing assets with a 3rd party intermediary who will facilitate a fair exchange. To date, I have personally coordinated all of our escrow transactions, managing the dialog with buyer and seller, providing assurance and clarification where needed. We get it done.

What about Purchase and Sale Agreement?
Most escrow transactions don't require one. However, to the extent that a legal agreement is needed, beyond Epik's standard terms, we provide templates which can be used as needed. If a custom agreement is needed, we can prepare one. Though I am not an attorney, I believe most would advise that for large transactions, e.g. $100K+ a purchase and sale agreement is advisable.

Does Epik disclose sales via escrow or marketplace?
We rarely do. In fact, the branding language of "The Swiss Bank of Domains" and "Legendary Support" were both cases of customers coming up with the language. In the process of time, we simply adopted those terms, and then have worked hard to operate in a way that aligns to the promises made in that branding. There are some great testimonials here. On a related, WHOIS privacy is always free at Epik.

Are there transactions that you don't do?
We are generally not the market-maker to choose when buying or selling adult domains. We know nothing about the market for those domains and prefer not to do them, and generally drop them. I am happy to discuss the reasons for this one on one with anyone who needs to understand the reason. If you check out our daily diamonds list of names being dropped, you will often find traffic names there. It is a reverse auction, running for 24 hours. The prices drop to as low as $19.

I hope that helps. Let me know if you need more.

https://www.namepros.com/posts/5136864/

1. In case not aware and that is that you can also pay with Bitcoin and be paid out with Bitcoin. We recently added native support for BTC transactions.

2. Sales proceeds that are kept on Epik are indeed 100% commission-free and tax-free. For guys who sell domains and have domain renewal/transfer expenses, there is no better deal than Epik.

Specific to the escrow topic, I am quite baffled that the domain industry does not have stronger escrow options. Epik will fill the void.

We also provide 1 year interest-free domain loans in the form of Epik account credit for folks that need a little help bridging cashflow and are at risk of losing domains they prefer to keep.

https://www.namepros.com/posts/5833240/

@robepik @RL


$8.10 .com -> new registrations / transfers / renewals

https://www.namepros.com/threads/8-10-com-new-registrations-transfers-renewals.982029/
 
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On the WHOIS privacy question, it is always free. It is included with your at-cost domain pricing.

On the API question, we do also have an integrated and versatile API. Once you login, you can access it here:

https://registrar.epik.com/account/api-settings/

There you can set your access control rules and download the documentation. People do use it for dropcatching, though really it is not the intended use. For persons who are mostly wanting to integrate into their own native marketplace, you are better off using our free domain marketplace product:

http://www.epik.com/solutions/marketplace/

As for charging more to retail end-users, while giving domainer at-cost pricing, keep in mind that there is a lot of innovation and customer service that folks expect from Epik as the industry's rare/only full-service registrar and host. Ultimately, to be a viable business, someone has to pay for that. The end-users who are buying 1 domain from you will greatly appreciate that there is someone 24/7 available to deal with their questions as they get started moments after buying or leasing their new domain. And if they own multiple domains, they too can get professional pricing.
 
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@robepik @RL

"For smaller transactions, e.g. under $2500, most folks will simply use our domain marketplace. In this case, the domain is on Epik registrar. The buyer is able to then purchase (or lease) the domain from our marketplace at which time (1) the domain instantly moves to the buyer's Epik account, and (2) the proceed from the sale are instantly deposited to the seller's Masterbucks account. Once funds are deposited, these funds are instantly available for use from within the Epik account without fee."

Could you please tell me if I can withdraw the above funds with PayPal?
 
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There is a 5% commission in this case.

wow..5% for PayPal???
Do you use Payoneer?

Also what's the time frame for disbursement?
You can link me to the page if you prefer, thanks
 
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I'm glad I ran across this thread. I'm thinking of consolidating my domains later on this year. I am a fan of NameSilo. Have not tried epik, but I may.
Thanks, everyone, for posting.
Quick question... Are either companies offering fast transfer with Afternic or have plans to? I seem to sell a bunch on Afternic and would love the fast transfer.
 
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I have been using both..NameSilo for longer and so far my experience is the following.

NameSilo : the only cons are the old interface ( but totally functional and effective ) and the absence of PP disbursement / withdrawals for marketplace sales. I would like to see international transactions being as easy as US to US and the whois searches as well.

Epik : some cool functionalities like the rotating parking companies and the ability to see whois searches plus a very clean and well structured dashboard. Support -at least here on NP- outstanding.
Cons : very slow website and filters for domain marketplace are pretty much non existent.
 
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Maketplace payment disbursement, but, just so you know, PayPal is already an option

woooops! Sorry about that and great to know btw.
So maybe it was that payments for marketplace purchases have a quite low cc limit and PP is not allowed?...then if I am wrong again please link me to the page so I get back to study! :oops:
 
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I have been using both..NameSilo for longer and so far my experience is the following.

Epik : some cool functionalities like the rotating parking companies and the ability to see whois searches plus a very clean and well structured dashboard. Support -at least here on NP- outstanding.
Cons : very slow website and filters for domain marketplace are pretty much non existent.

@photonmymind - Great compare/contrast from a sophisticated user. The domain marketplace is getting an upgrade shortly. As for the speed issue, the mobile app should be blazing. After that, we'll turn to web speed. Thanks for the feedback. By all means keep it coming.

Also, good to see members of the NameSilo team at NamesCon last week. They are owners that sling code, to use their term. In this industry, that is certainly rare.
 
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Is Epik's pricing of .com for $8.10 just for the first domain? Or all .com domains?
I picked up 1 last night. Now I want to get another and it is showing at $10 for a new .com.
Update.. now is showing up for $8.49...still not $8.10, though.
 
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