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Do you support GoDaddy's decision to cancel a domain?

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Do you agree with Godaddy's decision?

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  • No, I dont agree with their decision

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  • Yes, I agree with their decision

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Read their ToS here:
https://godaddy.com/agreements/ShowDoc.aspx?pageid=reg_sa

You acknowledge and agree that GoDaddy and registry reserve the right to deny, cancel or transfer any registration or transaction, or place any domain name(s) on registry lock, hold or similar status, as either deems necessary, in the unlimited and sole discretion of either GoDaddy or the registry: (i) to comply with specifications adopted by any industry group generally recognized as authoritative with respect to the Internet (e.g., RFCs), (ii) to correct mistakes made by registry or any registrar in connection with a domain name registration, (iii) for the non-payment of fees to registry, (iv) to protect the integrity and stability of the registry, (v) to comply with any applicable court orders, laws, government rules or requirements, requests of law enforcement, or any dispute resolution process, (vi) to comply with any applicable ICANN rules or regulations, including without limitation, the registry agreement, (vii) to avoid any liability, civil or criminal, on the part of registry operator, as well as its affiliates, subsidiaries, officers, directors, and employees, (viii) per the terms of this Agreement, (ix) following an occurrence of any of the prohibited activities described in Section 8 below, or (x) during the resolution of a dispute.
GoDaddy may also cancel the registration of a domain name, after thirty (30) days, if that name is being used, as determined by GoDaddy in its sole discretion, in association with spam or morally objectionable activities. Morally objectionable activities will include, but not be limited to:
  • Activities prohibited by the laws of the United States and/or foreign territories in which you conduct business;
  • Activities designed to encourage unlawful behavior by others, such as hate crimes, terrorism and child pornography; and
  • Activities designed to harm or use unethically minors in any way.
 

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equity78

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Exactly, registrars can do what they like, most never read the TOS. And GoDaddy cares about how they look in a bigger picture, most people don't care about domain names or domainers, they will applaud GoDaddy for doing what they think is right. Most will say "I don't care because I would never do this, run this kind of website, so great job GoDaddy."

Now a slippery slope would come into play, if GoDaddy tried doing that to someone running a political website that did not espouse hate in anyway but went against their political beliefs at GoDaddy HQ. That's where people wonder if it's right, not about this website, but does it move to areas where they are not offended.

Let's say the conservative ex Google employee that just got fired, if he had a blog I do not believe but again just my opinion, that they would tell him to move his blog, but some worry it can turn into that once the egregious sites are gone.
 

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Exactly, registrars can do what they like, most never read the TOS. And GoDaddy cares about how they look in a bigger picture, most people don't care about domain names or domainers, they will applaud GoDaddy for doing what they think is right. Most will say "I don't care because I would never do this, run this kind of website, so great job GoDaddy."

Now a slippery slope would come into play, if GoDaddy tried doing that to someone running a political website that did not espouse hate in anyway but went against their political beliefs at GoDaddy HQ. That's where people wonder if it's right, not about this website, but does it move to areas where they are not offended.

Let's say the conservative ex Google employee that just got fired, if he had a blog I do not believe but again just my opinion, that they would tell him to move his blog, but some worry it can turn into that once the egregious sites are gone.
My feeling is GoDaddy is now on a slippery slope.....They seem to be pandering in this political climate we all have found ourselves in. It almost seems this decision was based more on politics than actual "hate"......To demonstrate my point, I ask what domains have been cancelled in the past?.....Has any "international terrorism" domains been cancelled or is it only "domestic terrorism" far right political groups?.....What about the far left groups that support terrorism, will they be cancelled?
 

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Update: Google will also cancel domain.
https://www.theverge.com/2017/8/14/16145064/google-daily-stormer-ban-neo-nazi-registrar-godaddy

“We are cancelling Daily Stormer’s registration with Google Domains for violating our terms of service,” the company said in a statement."

2nd update: "The Daily Stormer had transferred its domain registration to Google after web-hosting service GoDaddy ( GDDY) canceled it. According to the report, Daily Stormer registered its domain with Google at 7:51 a.m. PST. Google revoked the registration at 11:02 a.m. PST."
 
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Update: Google will also cancel domain.
https://www.theverge.com/2017/8/14/16145064/google-daily-stormer-ban-neo-nazi-registrar-godaddy

“We are cancelling Daily Stormer’s registration with Google Domains for violating our terms of service,” the company said in a statement."

I find that rather troubling.

If a domain is allowed to exist under Verisign policy, then a registrar should not be able to just arbitrarily cancel a domain on their own whim.

Stopping hosting is one thing, cancelling the domain is another entirely.

Brad
 
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If a domain is allowed to exist under Verisign policy, then a registrar should not be able to just arbitrarily cancel a domain on their own whim.

Most of them can when you read the fine print. A few years ago someone compared them all and guess who was best? Moniker.

Google's ToS are posted in the other thread https://www.namepros.com/threads/ne...mer-to-lose-domain-name.1035543/#post-6305714 they can cancel any domain anytime. But intriguingly I did not see a specific condition there that had been violated, as far as I know. But Google does know everything, the registrant and associates probably use gmail.
 
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So what happens if a domain is allowed to exist under Versign policy, but zero registrars are willing to allow it to be registered there?

The content is one thing, the domain itself exists independently.

It is easy to defend this decision when the content is morally repugnant to most people, but once again it is a subjective decision. What happens when this same standard starts being applied to other content people don't like?

Brad
 
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I have never looked at the site. What I can say from secondhand reports is that if it was inciting violence then it would be being used for criminal purposes - incitement is a crime, so a registrar or law enforcement would have a valid reason to get rid of it.
Yes, it appears a crime has happened on the site. This is a job for law enforcement and not the pandering PR teams of Tech companies.....Let law enforcement handle the criminals.
 
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Godaddy are famous for a shoot first, ask questions approach to registrants and accounts - there has been plenty of discussion and experience of that on here. Just possibly they did not want to lose money or time responding to complaints and media interest. I wonder if a number of hate domains will now transfer out in a hurry?
 

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I think YouTube taking down their channel is a big deal too, while I have no problems with that kind of hate being extinguished, there are a lot of channels on YouTube that espouse hate. So Google needs to get to work and close a lot of channels.
 
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It is easy to defend this decision when the content is morally repugnant to most people, but once again it is a subjective decision. What happens when this same standard starts being applied to other content people don't like?
Well said Brad, couldn't have said it better myself.

Sounds like from some other comments that Godaddy/YouTube have a lot of work to do now. But where do you draw the line and more importantly, what idiot is drawing the line.
 
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