Located in Assorted Lists of Domains, started by Ali, Jun 3, 2015
The right 5N every time. Zoyb for $20
Nope just trying to make a point, you cant reason with some people...I know what I'd rather...
ZOYB is an awful domain. Bad comparison.
for $1k?? yet Keith seems to believe $20 is reasonable...Many more better names in the mid XXXX arena...The 5N's are getting flipped back and forth because they're in bubble. The vast minority will not be used or developed for real business's and eventually they will top out one they reach a saturation point, just like a bad pyramid scheme.
I agree that we're experiencing a bubble but I still disagree about ZOYB being a good deal. :P
That's the second time "bubble" is mentioned. There isn't a bubble against one particular area of domains where .com is involved. It's all or none.
We've seen many bubbles over the years in particular niches...
Maybe very temporary but .com values are soaring across the board. Look at all the categories. Listen to this, the market is so strong that folks are buying 6N now. It's hard to believe but true!
Zoyb is a great name for a startup or app compared to something like 64839
Wrong again...it simply isn't a case of all or nothing, you have to look at the reasoning behind a specific area of the market.
1) People buy keyword rich domains because with SEO they can produce traffic to increase revenue for a company on the DEVELOPED domain.
2) The "brandable" market could be considered different as the end user has different expectations when purchasing, they don't care about domain age, PR, traffic etc...they like the name and believe that the made up, short and pronounceable word has positive connotations and reflects well with the product or service they wish to provide on their DEVELOPED domain.
3) The numeric market is again different, consisting on people who merely speculate by way of purchasing a domain which has very little intrinsic value and selling to another domainer
There are probably more sectors, but to simply disregard the obvious and state that just because its a .com then that's ok is short sighted at best.
It's very much all or nothing. That's why the stock market, as a whole, fluctuates as one. Dot com is similar. While certain areas come to light quickly, like 4N values, most other areas gain along the way.
That said, junk is always junk. Zoyb is junk.
Head in the sand...Sectors within the stock market fluctuate because of unique forces that effect only them. Oil companies suffer when $ per barrel goes down, Insurance sector suffers when new tighter legislation is brought in, Travel sector suffers if there's a major disaster like a plane crash...the point is you can't just look at any single market movement without objectively evaluating the forces that effect it.
Yes the market as a whole fluctuates but normally in relation to the economy or a combination of a number of constituent factors that have a negative impact on multiple sectors at once e.g. housing bubble in 2008.
The domain market will fluctuate to an extent based on the economy but most people who invest will continue but it could still have an effect in a climate of austerity as there would in general be less disposable income to go around so hobbyists like myself will only spend $3 on hand reg's a week and not $5
The point is there are many niches with the .com sector and all have various forces working in both directions. If you watch the news and see that house prices are rising you don't automatically go out and think "great, I'm gonna go buy a house!" ...you would have to evaluate everything.
Some areas may be up and coming whilst others may not due to a factory closing or excess condos in a particular neighborhood which has lead to stagnant growth in that particular SECTOR and so a net fall in price when taking into consideration inflation despite news reports of a national rise.
Really don't know how else to explain it....some people cant see the wood through the trees...goodnight
I was here, so I know you can surely go back in posts and find where people were all like "only buy NNN ... no way will 4N ever be worth anything." Then a couple years pass and it was "buy NNNN -- but no way on 5N. They'll never be worth anything!" ... A couple years pass and we're now in the same cycle. "Buy NNNNN but no way on 6N. They'll never be worth anything!"
Meanwhile, over the years, more and more people have gotten into domaining (or domain investing or domains as currencies).
Surely, only time will tell ... but I couldn't help but notice how I've seen the exact same statement time and time and time again... and now again.
I'm not looking for a lesson or explanation. I get the domain market just fine.
Some people buy stock with the intent to hold forever. Same with domains. They want to own the asset for the sake of owning it. I like to make money now or as soon as possible. 6N doesn't fit my scenario.
Come back to this thread in 1-2 years. I'm sure we'll have a good laugh either way...
The majority of 6N investors will be crying but I guess that's the majority of domain investors in general. Few get it, most don't.
BTW Keith, I certainly hope your investment in 5N is correct. Owning >40 myself, I don't disagree in any particular way -- I too think they'll go up or I wouldn't continue to hold them.
The fact is, though, if we're right about that, then by nature, 6N will come with them. You can't have the "bottom level" at $x,xxx. That will naturally create the market for 6N names. I have, a number of times now, compared numerics to cyber-currency and I'm investing in them on that basis. From that perspective, you can't have the entry level point in a currency at $x,xxx without an $xxx being created in the wake.
The question is still if you're going to put $1,000 into anything, where does it faster become $10k. A single 5N going from $1k to $10k ... or an applicable number of reg fee 6N's ($1k worth over 2 years) going to $200 each.
This is such a silly statement. I'm been rolling through the xN's the whole way. I've bought and sold 3N to buy 4N to buy 5N and now to buy 6N.
You can certainly disagree with my "guestimations", but to suggest I don't get it... Well, that's just utter silliness.
Instead of saying I don't believe you, I'll say you're working opposite of everyone else.
While you're selling 3N to ultimately buy 6N, we are all buying and selling whatever N to buy 3N and maybe 4N. You're working backwards if you're being honest.
Multiples. There are smaller pools of buyers and far less liquidity at higher levels. Year over year increases, the smaller values have larger moves. Year over year, you were better off having the same money of a 3N in 4N. Year over year the past year, you were better off having the same value of money in 5N instead of 4N. You're buying 5N for $x,xxx. Wasn't even close last year. Yes, we've seen 4N double and triple, but we've seen 5N quadruple, quintuple and more. And the pool of buyers is far bigger for 5N than 4N. They are easier to sell and faster.
Meanwhile, I got 97700.com. All the same, having reg'd 97700.com in 2005, I don't think being early and having paid < $100 in reg and renewals is going to be an issue when I decide to sell it.
If we're looking at the stock market to compare, it's easier for a $1 billion market cap to go up by 10 times than it is for a $100 billion market cap to go up 10 times. IE; AAPL is a more sure bet at a higher price, it going to $5 trillion before a less known $5 billion market cap co goes to $50 billion... The no-name is a much higher risk, which means the potential reward is far better as well.
Anyway -- that's all. We can all revisit the thread in due time. *chuckle*
Famous last words spoken in all hype threads.
One of the many 5N discussions you can find. People wouldn't bother with the reg fee, just as recent as 2 years ago. Obviously, $24 in renewals later, you're pay $x,xxx for them.
Even with 4's, these $65 would be worth over $6k today.
"If its a ZIP code, it has a value. Otherwise I don't see value in any NNNNN.com domain" ... from 2012.
Between here and other domain sites that were more popular a few years back, there's plenty of discussions.
"Even with 4's, these $65 would be worth over $6k today."
"Even with 4's, these 65 names would be worth over $6k today."
Sorta well said. So many typos and missed words. I should really double read since there's no edit. *laugh*
I still understood what you were saying. :P
Separate names with a comma.