.mobi Companies.mobi at Sedo $3,000

[hedgefund]

Not mine, but just found out:

http://www.sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=10213&tracked=&partnerid=

 

[acc]

People who immediately question anything bigger than a $xxx bid on SEDO must remember that the seller has the option to set a minimum amount that they will condsider to counter or accept to start an auction. If you go to SEDO and bid $100 on a $x,xxx name it will tell you that you need to bid higher. Many sellers set a minimum amount to avoid a lot of tire-kicking bids that are far below any reasonable market value. (and having to respond to the resulting emails for every offer)

Understanding the minimum bid concept, in a case such as this one, it would be reasonable to guess that if the buyer likes the name, knows what it is worth to them, and bids what he has to to get in the game - then a one-bid, $x,xxx auction is easily explainable. One bid can secure the name especially if it scares away the tire-kickers, low-ballers, and bargain hunters. Nothing wrong with bargain hunting ... but it is the seller's name and his prerogative to set his own acceptable minimum price.

I would think that anyone who has been around the domain forums for a while would understand this, but if they haven't bought/sold through SEDO/Afternic, etc. maybe this might be a new concept to them.

And as always, a name will sell for what the buyer is willing to pay.

EDIT: One more point - If you get contacted by email from a potential buyer about a name and the offer he makes is below what you would like to sell it for, one option is to send the name to auction at SEDO, etc using the potential buyer's offer as the starting minimum bid. It is a very reasonble possibility here as well.

 

[jeremyp]

Oh, no! More conspiracy theories!

My opinion is that it doesn't make a hill of beans what anyone says in here. It's 99.9% opinion. Take it with a grain of salt.

And, opinions are like......well...you know what they say, everybody has one.

Time to move on and talk about the future of .mobi and stop feeding conspiracy theories!!!!!

I'm done with this thread.

Garrett,

A conspiracy theory? Where do you get this?

A conspiracy connotes multiple conspirators. I'm simply talking about the tactics of an individual.

Jeremy

 

[garrett200]

Jeremy,

Technically, you are right again! It takes 2 or more people to make a conspiracy.

Notwithstanding this, I doubt if one dude on an internet forum can bring .mobi to its knees.

Let's move on before this person starts getting a god complex!

 

[nombre]

The bottom line is that there is a systematic, methodical, daily grind that is making the mobi section of NamePros about 1 guy verses the extension rather than about the extension itself.

thanks for saying what i wanted to say but didn't

i only visit the mobi forum .....

do the other subforums like tv and us etc also have a select few posters who essentially make it their business to hang out in the forum and do nothing but crap on the extension ??

are we just unlucky in mobi or is this going on everywhere else ??

 

[dag]

Why? A serious buyer would not care about some dude's unsubstantiated opinion on a message board. A serious buyer would have figured out the value to him beforehand, so any shill bids placed or opinions about the sale shouldn't make a difference.

Well, actually, it should: a serious buyer also wouldn't want the shill behavior to continue after his own bid, thereby causing him to unnecessarily pay more than he would need to. If there is knowledge of true shill bidding in an auction, any reasonable buyer would clearly want to stay out of it. Having a bidding war with another legitimate buyer is one thing; being bid up by a shill is completely another.

You keep referring to this as just a message board that we shouldn't really be paying any attention to. Why are you even here then? What's the whole point of NamePros? If we shouldn't care here, where would we care?

 

[-REECE-]

thanks for saying what i wanted to say but didn't

i only visit the mobi forum .....

do the other subforums like tv and us etc also have a select few posters who essentially make it their business to hang out in the forum and do nothing but crap on the extension ??

are we just unlucky in mobi or is this going on everywhere else ??

I can't speak for .us, but it's against the rules for the .tv forum. I don't visit the .tv forum -- never have liked that extension, so it's a good question, whether or not, it does occur. However, granted it's against the rules, I'm sure it would happen in a more subdued way -- like appraising everyone's names for considerably less than the going rate.

 

[cybertonic]

The fact this auction only had one bid is probably due to the fact SEDO does not offer an easy way to see auctions by extension, to not see auctions of IDN, or domains with hyphens or numbers, ...

In fact it's very hard to find good auctions at SEDO, one need to scan all the long list and it's time consuming and fastidious.

I am not a dot mobi fan but it's a name I will have bid over 3K for sure if I had seen that auction.

...

 

[-REECE-]

The fact this auction only had one bid is probably due to the fact SEDO does not offer an easy way to see auctions by extension, to not see auctions of IDN, or domains with hyphens or numbers, ...

In fact it's very hard to find good auctions at SEDO, one need to scan all the long list and it's time consuming and fastidious.

I am not a dot mobi fan but it's a name I will have bid over 3K for sure if I had seen that auction.

...

Under Auction Listings, if you click on more, you see the whole list. Then in the left-hand corner, you see Keyword and Extension in bold, leave keyword blank, choose .mobi and click Search down below. This provides a list of all .mobi auctions currently ongoing.

 

[garrett200]

Well, actually, it should: a serious buyer also wouldn't want the shill behavior to continue after his own bid, thereby causing him to unnecessarily pay more than he would need to. If there is knowledge of true shill bidding in an auction, any reasonable buyer would clearly want to stay out of it. Having a bidding war with another legitimate buyer is one thing; being bid up by a shill is completely another.

You keep referring to this as just a message board that we shouldn't really be paying any attention to. Why are you even here then? What's the whole point of NamePros? If we shouldn't care here, where would we care?

I never referred to this as "just a message board". What I did say is that one crazy dude IN this message board cannot singlehandedly destroy .mobi. Anyone who thinks they can needs to have his or her head examined.

Where did I ever say that we shouldn't be paying attention to this board? I never said that, get your facts straight man.

Of course shill bidding should be rooted out, if possible. My point is, if you know the price you are willing to pay for a domain and it's value, a serious domainer would catch on that shill bidding is possibly present if the price goes way out of whack, and the serious domainer would stop bidding at that point.

A serious domainer isn't going to pay more than he thinks the domain is worth anyway. So a serious domainer couldn't be "bid up" by a shill too easily, now could he?

 

[acc]

EDIT: Reece covered it ....

Best of luck.

-acc

 

[scandiman]

I can't speak for .us, but it's against the rules for the .tv forum. I don't visit the .tv forum -- never have liked that extension, so it's a good question, whether or not, it does occur. However, granted it's against the rules, I'm sure it would happen in a more subdued way -- like appraising everyone's names for considerably less than the going rate.

As in 0<reg fee?

 

[jeremyp]

A serious domainer isn't going to pay more than he thinks the domain is worth anyway. So a serious domainer couldn't be "bid up" by a shill too easily, now could he?

Garrett,

This gets me back to the basic point.

1) Every domain name auction with a bid shouldn't be considered de facto fraudulent.

2) Before one makes the claim or even humble opinion of a claim (whatever the heck that is), the claimant owes it to the seller to be darn sure that there is something to it.

3) Serious domainers tend to back away from a domain name when the accusation of a fraudulent bid is conveyed... or at least I do.

4) You are correct - serious domainers don't generally get bid up. That's because we back away from fraudulent activity.

So, when someone makes this "humble opinion" accusation hours prior to the close of an auction, the impact can be negative... very negative.

I'm not the seller, and it angered me.

The seller should be over the moon pi--ed off.

Jeremy Padawer

 

[-REECE-]

I never referred to this as "just a message board". What I did say is that one crazy dude IN this message board cannot singlehandedly destroy .mobi.

Where did I ever say that we shouldn't be paying attention to this board? I never said that, get your facts straight man.

Of course shill bidding should be rooted out, if possible. My point is, if you know the price you are willing to pay for a domain and it's value, a serious domainer would catch on that shill bidding is possibly present if the price goes way out of whack, and the serious domainer would stop bidding at that point.

A serious domainer isn't going to pay more than he thinks the domain is worth anyway. So a serious domainer couldn't be "bid up" by a shill too easily, now could he?

There are some serious domainers who wouldn't be shill bidding -- but may have paid more for .mobis than they felt they were worth in the past for reasons which may not be apparent to some of us at first.

As Labrocca noted in a different thread, the strong sales early on for the .mobi extension in turn, reduced the value of many other extensions temporarily. Now, before I go on in my conspiracy theory... I am accusing nobody of doing anything now, or in the past -- merely elucidating a potentially viable and profitable strategy...

Buy flowers.mobi for 200k. People get all hyped up about .mobi. OMG! It's already as strong as .net and it's brand new -- this definitely has to be the next dotcom! Then quietly go about on the secondary market buying up other extensions which are temporarily devalued due to the hype and uncertainty surrounding .mobi.

We see this type of arbitrage in the financial sector all the time... I don't think it's beyond reason that some people (with very large bank acounts) may see (or have seen) it fit to do so here.

Alternatively, it could be done the other way also... Buy .mobis for very high prices, so that when the next auction comes along, it looks like people are less interested in .mobis and that the hype was just that -- hype.

Now, as I said, I'm not accusing anyone at anytime of anything... Just making it very clear that sometimes people's intentions aren't as clear as they may initially seem to be.

 

[garrett200]

3) Serious domainers tend to back away from a domain name when the accusation of a fraudulent bid is conveyed... or at least I do.

So, if some idiot comes in this forum and questions a sale, you're going to back away from it? That's all it takes for you? That makes no sense to me whatsoever. You already know the value and what you're willing to pay if you're a professional, so why base your decisions on some idiot poster whom you've never even met?

If you're about to spend thousands of dollars on a domain name, you'd better have so many solid reasons for bidding that it makes no difference what anyone says.

 

[-REECE-]

So, if some idiot comes in this forum and questions a sale, you're going to back away from it? That makes no sense to me whatsoever. You already know the value and what you're willing to pay if you're a professional, so why base your decisions on some idiot poster whom you've never even met?

If you're about to spend thousands of dollars on a domain name, you'd better have so many solid reasons for bidding that it makes no difference what anyone says.

I can't really explain this with words, but as a long time ebayer, on top of domainer, sometimes, you just get the "feeling" that the person you're bidding against is a fake. In that case, I wouldn't want to be associated with such a transaction because it may look bad for me also -- people may think I was a fake also as I was engaging in this transaction as well. Reputation is very important, whether it's on Ebay, on Namepros, or in your everyday life.

 

[cybertonic]

Reece, thanks for the tip. Look likes to works fine.

 

[jeremyp]

So, if some idiot comes in this forum and questions a sale, you're going to back away from it? That makes no sense to me whatsoever. You already know the value and what you're willing to pay if you're a professional, so why base your decisions on some idiot poster whom you've never even met?

If you're about to spend thousands of dollars on a domain name, you'd better have so many solid reasons for bidding that it makes no difference what anyone says.

Garrett,

Jeff isn't just "some idiot" quoting your post above.

Jeff is a 20,000 post NP member and former staffer who posts many times daily in the MOBI forum.

So, yes, when someone with credibility makes a claim it is especially concerning to me as an industry professional.

I'd say that Jeff has an enhanced standard of care versus the average joe.

The bottom line - don't make potentially tortious allegations or "humble opinions" about the validity of an auction unless you have significant reason to believe it is problematic.

To say an auction needs any level of scrutiny simply because there is a bid is potentially reckless.

Jeremy Padawer

 

[garrett200]

Jeremy,

I wasn't specifically talking about Jeff, I was only responding to your general statement that I quoted. I'm glad to hear that you wouldn't give credance to a random, idiot posts regarding sales.

I realize that you have more experience than most here in the field of domaining, and I am by no means questioning that. Just wanted to understand better what you meant, and now I think I do.

 

[GeoOwners]

Garrett,

Jeff isn't just "some idiot" quoting your post above.

Jeff is a 20,000 post NP member and former staffer who posts many times daily in the MOBI forum.

So, yes, when someone with credibility makes a claim it is especially concerning to me as an industry professional.

I'd say that Jeff has an enhanced standard of care versus the average joe.

The bottom line - don't make potentially tortious allegations or "humble opinions" about the validity of an auction unless you have significant reason to believe it is problematic.

To say an auction needs any level of scrutiny simply because there is a bid is potentially reckless.

Jeremy Padawer

agree here...and why single out this auction? there are thousands everyday and yet no mention of the "1 bidders" being suspect...

.

 

[Broker]

Jeremy, I'm sorry my friend but you are waaayyyyyy off base with this. Jeff made no claim about anything. Here merely hinted to the possibility period of funny business. The word shil was never mentioned.

The bottom line - don't make potentially tortious allegations or "humble opinions" about the validity of an auction unless you have significant reason to believe it is problematic.

Thats the most rediculous statement I've ever read on these forums Jeremy, you cant be serious


Please drop it already!