.mobi Companies.mobi at Sedo $3,000

[hedgefund]

Not mine, but just found out:

http://www.sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=10213&tracked=&partnerid=

 

[Broker]

Jeff said,

one must consider the possibility

There are no rumors here period So please, dont try and turn this thing around on me because I expressed "my opinion" on the matter. I am entitled to that. Maybe it is you guys that are doing the "accusing"


Jeff again is entitled to his opinion and I respect his opinion and posting it in this public forum. With some of the recent activity regarding these issues he was only looking out for all of our best interets. Saying that he "slandered" a perticular individual named hanogl is rediculous. Perhaps a few of you should reread Jeff's post. Especially the ending part where it say's " Who's selling it at this time?"


Jeremy, there is no big deal imho

 

[jeremyp]

Jeff said,

one must consider the possibility

There are no rumors here period So please, dont try and turn this thing around on me because I expressed "my opinion" on the matter. I am entitled to that. Maybe it is you guys that are doing the "accusing"


Jeff again is entitled to his opinion and I respect his opinion and posting it in this public forum. With some of the recent activity regarding these issues he was only looking out for all of our best interets. Saying that he "slandered" a perticular individual named hanogl is rediculous. Perhaps a few of you should reread Jeff's post. Especially the ending part where it say's " Who's selling it at this time?"


Jeremy, there is no big deal imho

HasRob,

You have the facts. You determine no big deal. There is nothing else to do or say on my end.

I want you to know that in a similar situation, I would defend you as well.

Jeremy

 

[qO_Op]

Good luck with the auction Hangol :tu:

 

[scandiman]

Jeff said,

one must consider the possibility

Why must anyone consider the possibility that that it may be more of this "funny business" with .MOBI's using the Sedo auction systyem?

HasRob, I'm not asking you to defend Jeff's comments and you have only defended his right to say them. But at some point there needs to be some accountability for calling into question the validity of a very real transaction without any specific cause other than someones own diminutive perspective on the tld involved.

 

[Broker]

Jeremy, I honestly dont think there is anything to defend. There were no allegations made against any one individual here. It was an opinion made speaking in general terms imo. If it were my name being spoken about I personally would not have a problem with Jeff's wording.

I'd also say no matter who the owner is of any domain, we all must consider the possibility of any shill bids in any auction especially if the name is not worth any given bid price useing our best appraisal skills on the name being bidded on. I believe this is all Jeff was trying to get across. Be careful because I dont think it's worth x amount of dollars, could be something going on there etc. Again, no big deal imho.

If I were a "serious buyer" bidding on, or thinking about bidding on that name at the time, I would have considered these possibilities anyway. I dont trust anyone be it the seller or bidder of which in most cases I don't know from Adam.

 

[scandiman]

Good luck with the auction Hangol :tu:

Agreed!

 

[Mark]

Big jump from "possibility" to character assasination IMO -


The OP isn't the owner .... it's called a "Discussion Thread" - Anyone can create them , and anyone may comment in them. Sales threads etc ... are of course different.

 

[jeremyp]

Big jump from "possibility" to character assasination IMO -


The OP isn't the owner .... it's called a "Discussion Thread" - Anyone can create them , and anyone may comment in them. Sales threads etc ... are of course different.

Mark,

Thank you for visiting this thread.

Commenting on the legitimacy of a credible seller, with a credible domain name at a critical period just prior to the no-reserve sale of that domain name to a credible group of buyers triggered my concern.

It's a pattern of behavior that is predictable from a source that is closely tied to NP. When he extends that witch-hunt to credible domainers with real money on the line, we owe it as a community to review our own standards.

Jeremy

 

[Damion]

why?

are you saying any auction that only ends in 1 bid is shilled?

Put a foot on the brake here my friend
The term "Funny Business" was coined and you wanted to know what this would mean? You showed doubt, so in return i just answered your question, really nothing more or nothing less.

or are you questioning the seller's character? cause essentially that's what you are doing.

I'm sorry you see it that way.
I only said an assumption can be made and did not imply explicitly the seller was placing a shill bid on his own domain.
I didn't even know who the seller was as was Jeff.

Jeff merely expressed what everybody thinks or better said keep in the back of their minds for the possibility of a shill bid when he sees a so and so domain in their opinion with a substantial opening bid.

Hence my usage of "a so and so domain in their opinion" as this is the factor what makes people suspicious.
Someone may see a domain that THEY think is not that valuable or interesting but see a substantial opening bid and keep an open mind that there is a possibility for a shill bid that could have been placed.

I personally think Companies.mobi is a pretty good domain but there are domains even right now on auction that makes you wonder if there isn't a shill bid been placed.

 

[garrett200]

Assuming that isn't a big deal, please explain what would then be a big deal?

A big deal would be if he mentioned the person by name and made an accusation of fraud against him, which didn't happen here.

I am a very serious buyer. I would have thought twice about bidding on an auction that might be inflated with a shill bid.

Why? A serious buyer would not care about some dude's unsubstantiated opinion on a message board. A serious buyer would have figured out the value to him beforehand, so any shill bids placed or opinions about the sale shouldn't make a difference.

I'm not asking for censorship.

I am asking that before we make accusations against fellow domainers, and in this case ones with track records, we should spend even a few minutes researching the issue.

I didn't hear anyone make a direct accusation against anyone. I don't even think Jeff knew who the seller was did he, until someone made it public here. Who can prove that this is hagnol's (sp) domain anyway?

 

[scandiman]

Who can prove that this is hagnol's (sp) domain anyway?

Domain Name:COMPANIES.MOBI
Created On:26-Sep-2006 14:00:30 UTC
Registrant Name:H. Groot Lipman

You've got to stop making me work so hard, that was tough.

 

[garrett200]

Ok, all you just proved is that "H" is the first letter in "Hagnol", lol.

Anyway, even if he does own the domain, that's irrelevant to the point that I was trying to make.

You've got to stop making ME work so hard, Scandiman! :hehe:

 

[-REECE-]

Domain Name:COMPANIES.MOBI
Created On:26-Sep-2006 14:00:30 UTC
Registrant Name:H. Groot Lipman

You've got to stop making me work so hard, that was tough.

LOL.

IMO, it's been "buyers", not sellers responsible for most of the fraudulent bids we've seen happening on Sedo over the last few months. Even if the sale doesn't go through -- it doesn't mean the seller had anything to do with it. If Jeff puts skedaddle.mobi up for sale on Sedo and someone bids $50,000, does that mean Jeff is shill bidding?

No, it likely means there's some idiot on Sedo who really thinks a few big sales will change (or hype) the extension or he really has no life and enjoys wasting people's time.

IMO, 3k is fairly reasonable for such a name (companies.mobi, not skedaddle.mobi) -- perhaps it's a bit on the high side, but as Bill (Acc) said earlier, it's plausible that the buyer has plans to develop it, in which case, perhaps price isn't his primary concern.

Ok, all you just proved is that "H" is the first letter in "Hagnol", lol.

Anyway, even if he does own the domain, that's irrelevant to the point that I was trying to make.

You've got to stop making ME work so hard, Scandiman! :hehe:

Go to dotmobiz under top portfolios and you'll see that H. Groot Lipman is the owner of the #2 portfolio according to webcri.

 

[garrett200]

LOL.

IMO, it's been "buyers", not sellers responsible for most of the fraudulent bids we've seen happening on Sedo over the last few months. Even if the sale doesn't go through -- it doesn't mean the seller had anything to do with it. If Jeff puts skedaddle.mobi up for sale on Sedo and someone bids $50,000, does that mean Jeff is shill bidding?

No, it likely means there's some idiot on Sedo who really thinks a few big sales will change (or hype) the extension or he really has no life and enjoys wasting people's time.

:bingo: :bingo: :bingo:

LOL.
Go to dotmobiz under top portfolios and you'll see that H. Groot Lipman is the owner of the #2 portfolio according to webcri.

I don't care, irrelevant.

 

[-REECE-]

I don't care, irrelevant.

It's not targeted at you, it's targeted at the people who were bashing Hennie. Anyone who's made that kind of stake in the extension really has no need for shill bidding and is above and beyond that. Most of the shill bidders I've seen so far (i.e. the sweetcorn, preg, et al fiasco) have very few .mobis. Perhaps they thought owning 1 or 2 subpar .mobis would make them rich? I presume that when they realized that wasn't the case, they took matters into their own hands atempting to "pump" up the extension and dump these names on some bigger sucker than them.

 

[garrett200]

But, that's my point, nobody was accusing him of shill bidding in the first place, so why all this fuss? As you pointed out very concisely Reece, IF there were shill bidding involved in any domain, it could just as easily come from the buyer's side.

So, it's irrelevant who the seller is, or even what his reputation is for that matter, in determining possible shill bidding.

And if you consider these facts, Jeff's comments could hardly be classified as slandering the owner of the domain.

Although I don't like a lot of what Jeff says, he must be given the benefit of the doubt here :imho:

 

[jeremyp]

Shill Bidding is bidding that artificially increases an item’s price or apparent desirability.

It's a seller side of the equation terminology.

In the meantime, it's not key to my concern. Jeff didn't use the term "shill"... This was used by Minion.

 

[garrett200]

Jeremy,

Technically speaking, you are right. I don't know what it would be called if it comes from the buyer's side, but it can have the same exact effect.

 

[jeremyp]

Jeremy,

Technically speaking, you are right. I don't know what it would be called if it comes from the buyer's side, but it can have the same exact effect.

Garrett,

The bottom line is that there is a systematic, methodical, daily grind that is making the mobi section of NamePros about 1 guy verses the extension rather than about the extension itself.

I really question the tactics... and I believe that others should review the posts and make their own conclusion.

Jeremy

 

[garrett200]

Oh, no! More conspiracy theories!

My opinion is that it doesn't make a hill of beans what anyone says in here. It's 99.9% opinion. Take it with a grain of salt.

And, opinions are like......well...you know what they say, everybody has one.

Time to move on and talk about the future of .mobi and stop feeding conspiracy theories!!!!!

I'm done with this thread.